NeathDid anybody see anybody from wisconsin do something they shouldnt have?
I agree with eliminating the hand shake line.1 hand shake at the center circle before the game with the team about to kick your but is sufficient .Via Saturday Tradition:
Juwan Howard needs to go -- and so does the postgame handshake line
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Juwan Howard is done.
If the University of Michigan has any integrity as an institution of higher learning, there’s no coming back from Howard’s stunning lapse of judgement Sunday.
That Howard is one of the most decorated and beloved players in program history is no longer relevant. The moment he slapped Wisconsin assistant Joe Krabbenhoft upside the head in a postgame melee of his own making, Howard tossed 30 years of goodwill to the bottom of Lake Huron.
It’s embarrassing. In the moment preceding Howard’s swipe, no fewer than 4 Wolverines players attempt to pull their coach back to de-escalate the situation.
College kids. Trying to prevent a grown-ass man from starting a fight. Which is exactly the opposite of how that dynamic is supposed to work. And when it didn’t, the players naturally took up the fight for themselves.
In that fleeting moment, Howard demonstrated that he is unfit to be a leader of young men. Which, to be clear, should not disqualify him from sharing his basketball knowledge among the grown men in the NBA. And surely he’ll be preparing his resume soon enough.
As it pertains to Michigan, there is no way to come back from this.
In no other line of work could someone take a swing at a colleague and keep their job. Howard shouldn’t be an exception to that rule — especially given that he was the one escalating the entire situation.
If Howard had been protecting one of his players, we could talk about a suspension being sufficient. But every bit of this situation was of Howard’s making. He was the bully.
Sure, Wisconsin coach Greg Gard called a frivolous timeout with 15 seconds left. But the right move is to put that moment in your team’s memory banks and beat the crap out of the Badgers the next time you see them. Figuratively, not literally.
A Woody Hayes moment
Ironically, the most appropriate allegory for Michigan’s current situation is drawn from its most hated rival.
At the end of the 1978 Gator Bowl, Ohio State football coach Woody Hayes punched Clemson defensive tackle Charlie Bauman in the throat after Bauman’s game-clinching interception.
It’s not an entirely apples-to-apples comparison.
Hayes’ offense was far more egregious. He attacked a student-athlete rather than another coach, and only because he was a sore loser. Howard at least swung at another grown-up after being triggered by a moment of questionable sportsmanship.
But the end result needs to be the same.
Ohio State fired Hayes the next day despite 28 seasons of success. Howard, in just his third season as Michigan’s head coach, doesn’t have nearly the same laurels to fall back on. Not even being a member of the legendary Fab Five can get him out of this jam.
While Howard will go down in infamy for what happened, it’s also important to note that he isn’t the only problem here. This was bound to happen at some point. Juwan Howard just happened to be the guy who lost the lottery.
Postgame handshake lines: A ticking time bomb
Postgame handshakes in basketball have been a powder keg for years, waiting for the right confluence of events to blow up. We finally reached that point on Sunday.
For the sake of preventing more incidents like this, the solution is to eliminate them altogether.
Had he simply cooled down for 5 minutes after the game, I’d wager there’s no chance Howard would have swung at anyone. The final buzzer is when emotions peak, and perhaps the absolute worst time for sharing niceties with the guys you’ve been battling in a 91-x-41 space for the previous 40 minutes.
Though the handshake line is ostensibly meant to be a show of good sportsmanship, it creates far too much likelihood that we will instead see the worst possible sportsmanship on display.
Some may point out that the handshake line works out just fine after a playoff series in hockey. And that’s true. But the handshake line doesn’t take place at the end of every regular-season game. It is reserved for the moment that one of the teams is eliminated.
Perhaps the finality takes some bite out of a potential fight. Or more likely, the nature of hockey helps. Guys who have been beating the crap out of one another for 4-to-7 games don’t have much need for another brawl.
Basketball is different. You don’t have the primal release of slamming your opponent into the boards, or literally dropping the gloves to fight him in the middle of the game. The emotions stay pent up. And when those emotions stack together, a moment like Gard’s ridiculous late timeout can set you off.
If sportsmanship is that important, there’s plenty of time for guys to shake hands and dap up before the game starts. And frankly it makes more sense. It’s a moment where players and coaches can share mutual respect, and referees can eliminate any BS from the jump.
After the buzzer sounds, there are no more rules. And that makes the situation ripe for anarchy.
That’s not to say we need to ban postgame handshakes outright. If guys are actually in the mood, nothing should stop them from seeking out those opponents they want to give props to. But allow them to do so on an individual basis rather than making a postgame handshake line a mandatory staple.
This tends to be how it works in football — and it does work. Guys swap jerseys, not fisticuffs.
Firing Juwan Howard is Michigan’s correct course of action. But it shouldn’t be the lone action taken here.
For the Big Ten as a whole, eliminating the postgame handshake line would go a long way in making sure something like this doesn’t happen again.
Juwan Howard needs to go -- and so does the postgame handshake line
Michigan has no choice but to fire Juwan Howard after his punch, but the postgame handshake line has long been ripe for such an incident.saturdaytradition.com
#0 who averages a point a game, back up post Vogt was in there, and Wahl. Wahl might have just been holding someone back thoughDid anybody see anybody from wisconsin do something they shouldnt have? Will someone be suspended from them on wednesday? I didnt really see much from wisconsin, but im sure the big ten will see something i didnt!
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Juwan Howard is done.
If the University of Michigan has any integrity as an institution of higher learning, there’s no coming back from Howard’s stunning lapse of judgement Sunday.
That Howard is one of the most decorated and beloved players in program history is no longer relevant. The moment he slapped Wisconsin assistant Joe Krabbenhoft upside the head in a postgame melee of his own making, Howard tossed 30 years of goodwill to the bottom of Lake Huron.
It’s embarrassing. In the moment preceding Howard’s swipe, no fewer than 4 Wolverines players attempt to pull their coach back to de-escalate the situation.
College kids. Trying to prevent a grown-ass man from starting a fight. Which is exactly the opposite of how that dynamic is supposed to work. And when it didn’t, the players naturally took up the fight for themselves.
In that fleeting moment, Howard demonstrated that he is unfit to be a leader of young men. Which, to be clear, should not disqualify him from sharing his basketball knowledge among the grown men in the NBA. And surely he’ll be preparing his resume soon enough.
As it pertains to Michigan, there is no way to come back from this.
In no other line of work could someone take a swing at a colleague and keep their job. Howard shouldn’t be an exception to that rule — especially given that he was the one escalating the entire situation.
If Howard had been protecting one of his players, we could talk about a suspension being sufficient. But every bit of this situation was of Howard’s making. He was the bully.
Sure, Wisconsin coach Greg Gard called a frivolous timeout with 15 seconds left. But the right move is to put that moment in your team’s memory banks and beat the crap out of the Badgers the next time you see them. Figuratively, not literally.
A Woody Hayes moment
Ironically, the most appropriate allegory for Michigan’s current situation is drawn from its most hated rival.
At the end of the 1978 Gator Bowl, Ohio State football coach Woody Hayes punched Clemson defensive tackle Charlie Bauman in the throat after Bauman’s game-clinching interception.
It’s not an entirely apples-to-apples comparison.
Hayes’ offense was far more egregious. He attacked a student-athlete rather than another coach, and only because he was a sore loser. Howard at least swung at another grown-up after being triggered by a moment of questionable sportsmanship.
But the end result needs to be the same.
Ohio State fired Hayes the next day despite 28 seasons of success. Howard, in just his third season as Michigan’s head coach, doesn’t have nearly the same laurels to fall back on. Not even being a member of the legendary Fab Five can get him out of this jam.
While Howard will go down in infamy for what happened, it’s also important to note that he isn’t the only problem here. This was bound to happen at some point. Juwan Howard just happened to be the guy who lost the lottery.
Postgame handshake lines: A ticking time bomb
Postgame handshakes in basketball have been a powder keg for years, waiting for the right confluence of events to blow up. We finally reached that point on Sunday.
For the sake of preventing more incidents like this, the solution is to eliminate them altogether.
Had he simply cooled down for 5 minutes after the game, I’d wager there’s no chance Howard would have swung at anyone. The final buzzer is when emotions peak, and perhaps the absolute worst time for sharing niceties with the guys you’ve been battling in a 91-x-41 space for the previous 40 minutes.
Though the handshake line is ostensibly meant to be a show of good sportsmanship, it creates far too much likelihood that we will instead see the worst possible sportsmanship on display.
Some may point out that the handshake line works out just fine after a playoff series in hockey. And that’s true. But the handshake line doesn’t take place at the end of every regular-season game. It is reserved for the moment that one of the teams is eliminated.
Perhaps the finality takes some bite out of a potential fight. Or more likely, the nature of hockey helps. Guys who have been beating the crap out of one another for 4-to-7 games don’t have much need for another brawl.
Basketball is different. You don’t have the primal release of slamming your opponent into the boards, or literally dropping the gloves to fight him in the middle of the game. The emotions stay pent up. And when those emotions stack together, a moment like Gard’s ridiculous late timeout can set you off.
If sportsmanship is that important, there’s plenty of time for guys to shake hands and dap up before the game starts. And frankly it makes more sense. It’s a moment where players and coaches can share mutual respect, and referees can eliminate any BS from the jump.
After the buzzer sounds, there are no more rules. And that makes the situation ripe for anarchy.
That’s not to say we need to ban postgame handshakes outright. If guys are actually in the mood, nothing should stop them from seeking out those opponents they want to give props to. But allow them to do so on an individual basis rather than making a postgame handshake line a mandatory staple.
This tends to be how it works in football — and it does work. Guys swap jerseys, not fisticuffs.
Firing Juwan Howard is Michigan’s correct course of action. But it shouldn’t be the lone action taken here.
For the Big Ten as a whole, eliminating the postgame handshake line would go a long way in making sure something like this doesn’t happen again.
Juwan Howard needs to go -- and so does the postgame handshake line
Michigan has no choice but to fire Juwan Howard after his punch, but the postgame handshake line has long been ripe for such an incident.saturdaytradition.com
C’mon now!Nothing more disrespectful than offering a left hand shake.
Johnny Davis does charge into the Michigan bench area. Can’t see what happens after that. Wonder if there are going to be a bunch of one game suspensions…..like in the NBA if you leave the bench during a fight, I think it’s an automatic suspensionDid anybody see anybody from wisconsin do something they shouldnt have? Will someone be suspended from them on wednesday? I didnt really see much from wisconsin, but im sure the big ten will see something i didnt!
Ha! Certainly sounds like he thinks wisconsin is without fault. (Don't like him either. It's really, really hard to even tolerate a badger.)Wisconsin AD Chris McIntosh says he expects B1G to act 'swiftly and aggressively' on Juwan Howard, UW-UM postgame fight
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Wisconsin AD Chris McIntosh joined Sunday’s UW-Michigan postgame press conference after the ugly postgame scuffle following the basketball game.
McIntosh relayed to the press that he has already spoken to B1G commissioner Kevin Warren. McIntosh said he expects the league to act “swiftly and aggressively.”
Howard was upset by Wisconsin coach Greg Gard for taking a timeout with 15 seconds left when the Badgers had the ball with a double-digit lead. Michigan then fouled to extend the game. In the handshake line, Howard and Gard’s heated exchange boiled over, starting the fight.
The CBS broadcast noted that Howard was reluctant to enter the handshake line. Gard grabbed Howard’s arm to keep the coach from walking past. As members of both teams huddled around their coaches amid the commotion, Howard then made physical contact with Joe Krabbenhoft. The CBS broadcasters described Howard as “grabbing” Krabbenhoft while many on Twitter described it as “taking a swing” or “throwing a punch.”
Wisconsin AD Chris McIntosh says he expects B1G to act 'swiftly and aggressively' on Juwan Howard, UW-UM postgame fight
Wisconsin AD calls on the B1G to act swiftly and aggressively after the postgame fight.saturdaytradition.com
That’s not the order of what happened. Howard said something yes, but he was ready to walk on by. Gard grabbed his arm and put his hand on him.Greg Gard explains late timeout, discusses scuffle with Juwan Howard
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Tensions from Sunday’s game between Wisconsin and Michigan boiled over in the closing moments with a post-game brawl becoming the main storyline from a Badgers win.
Late in the game, Wisconsin head coach Greg Gard called a timeout with the final outcome already decided. It was a decision that frustrated Michigan head coach Juwan Howard. In the ensuing escalation of the handshake line, Howard took a swing and made contact with a Wisconsin assistant.
During his postgame press conference, Gard addressed the timeout that upset Howard. According to Gard, he was trying to get his reserves time to settle themselves and reset the 10-second clock.
“I had all the reserves in. I was not going to put them in a position to try and break a press in 4 seconds coming cold off the bench,” explained Gard. “So we got the full 10 seconds to break that press instead of 4 seconds.
“That is the situation that he, apparently, was upset with.”
Gard then delivered his side of the scuffle in the handshake line. According to Gard, it was Howard who escalated the incident by pulling down his mask to deliver a comment while tapping on Gard’s chest and pointing a finger in Gard’s face.
“He came up to me and pulled his mask down and said ‘I’ll remember that’ and started pointing at me and tapping me in the chest,” said Gard.
“I said ‘Hold on, let me explain to you why I took the timeout.’ Maybe he doesn’t know the rule, that you get the 10 seconds reset…that’s where it started, that he said ‘I’ll remember that.'”
Greg Gard explains late timeout, discusses scuffle with Juwan Howard
Gard shared his side of the story.saturdaytradition.com
#0 for Wisconsin deserves something, the assistant who escalated it should also get at least a game and maybe Gard. Outside of that I doubt anyone else from Wisconsin will get hit with anything suspension wise.Johnny Davis does charge into the Michigan bench area. Can’t see what happens after that. Wonder if there are going to be a bunch of one game suspensions…..like in the NBA if you leave the bench during a fight, I think it’s an automatic suspension
Both coaches came across like aholes in their explanations of what happened. Both tried to make it out like they did nothing wrong and it was all the other guy.That’s not the order of what happened. Howard said something yes, but he was ready to walk on by. Gard grabbed his arm and put his hand on him. View attachment 17076
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Howard says “we’ll remember that”…..was walking passed him and Garb grabs him.That’s not the order of what happened. Howard said something yes, but he was ready to walk on by. Gard grabbed his arm and put his hand on him. View attachment 17076
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Juwan is my hero!Threw a punch at the Wisconsin assistant coach (Krabbenhoft) in the handshake line. Brawl breaks out afterwards. It was ugly.
Not considering this is the second time that he was involved in an incident like this. Last year he also had to be restrained from going after a Maryland coach. Juwan is quite the tool.That's pretty dramatic
And prick Davison playing tough guy after it's over.Can hear a lot here
It's all Gard's fault. Howard says "I'll remember this" and then Gard pushes Howard. Howard says don't push me and then things escalate from there.Can hear a lot here
So ?Look at all those white boys on the UW team.
Or at himI'm just amazed that a punch was thrown in a game involving WI - and it wasn't thrown by Davison.