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UpAndUnder43 said:
Agreed. That isn’t what I was arguing though. I was saying losing to bowling green isn’t equivalent to losing 77 baseball games
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Okay, if that's your only point, then I think we're in 100% agreement. Baseball ≠ College football. I concur.

Maybe we can also agree that one non-conference loss early in the year doesn't kill an entire college football season.
 
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GoForGold said:
Here's another for you. Northwestern's nickname was originally the Fighting Methodists. (no joke) I vote for that one as the worst ever for the Big Ten.
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May I nominate the Nebraska Bugeaters
 

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UpAndUnder43 said:
Agreed. So that comparison isn’t relevant.

The bowling green debacle doesn’t ruin the season. If the gophers go 10-2 in the regular season I’ll be happy. But that loss does more to eliminate them from their ultimate goal than does the Twins 77 losses in 1987.
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The bolded is most probably true, but not to a certainty.

If the Gophers are in fact selected for the Final Four — highly, highly unlikely but still remotely possible — then we'll be able to accurately say that the Bowling Green loss had no impact whatsoever on the ultimate goal, just as the 77 losses suffered by the '87 Twins had, in the end, no impact of the Twins' World Championship dreams.
 

theTurning said:
May I nominate the Nebraska Bugeaters
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I thought you had to be kidding but it looks legit.

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RememberMurray said:
The bolded is most probably true, but not to a certainty.

If the Gophers are in fact selected for the Final Four — highly, highly unlikely but still remotely possible — then we'll be able to accurately say that the Bowling Green loss had no impact whatsoever on the ultimate goal, just as the 77 losses suffered by the '87 Twins had, in the end, no impact of the Twins' World Championship dreams.
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Highly Highly unlikely is a massive understatement but sure. Also, bowling green still isn’t equal to 77 losses which was the original point.
 


RememberMurray said:
They still can win the B1G! College football seasons don't end because of one non-conference loss.

If you weren't counting on winning the national championship, then the Bowling Green loss really hasn't meant the end of anything at all for 2021.
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Just because someone isn’t counting on something doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Teams are allowed to exceed expectations. It’s exceedingly rare in this market but it can happen. I’ve seen it.
 

RememberMurray said:
They still can win the B1G! College football seasons don't end because of one non-conference loss.

If you weren't counting on winning the national championship, then the Bowling Green loss really hasn't meant the end of anything at all for 2021.
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It could mean no Rose Bowl, though.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
Highly Highly unlikely is a massive understatement but sure. Also, bowling green still isn’t equal to 77 losses which was the original point.
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The Bowling Green loss would, in fact, be precisely equal in impact to the Twins' 77 if — unlikely though it may be — the Gophers make the Final Four.

In that highly improbable scenario, the Twins' 77 losses and the Gopher's Bowling Green loss would both have had exactly zero impact on their hopes for the ultimate championship.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
Just because someone isn’t counting on something doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Teams are allowed to exceed expectations. It’s exceedingly rare in this market but it can happen. I’ve seen it.
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YES!

Here's an example: the Gophers could, still, qualify for the Final Four.
 




RememberMurray said:
I ask again: who here was counting on winning the national title in 2021? Anyone?

The reason I ask: other than that, the Bowling Green loss won't be the end of any dreams and/or goals for the 2021 Gophers. Despite the loss to Bowling Green, Minnesota can still have a very, very strong season, can still win the West, can still win the B1G, and can still finish quite high in the polls. Hell, we're #20 right now!
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For your edification only, one extra loss to anyone impacts final ranking and most likely bowl placement. It is what it is.
 

RememberMurray said:
Okay, if that's your only point, then I think we're in 100% agreement. Baseball ≠ College football. I concur.

Maybe we can also agree that one non-conference loss early in the year doesn't kill an entire college football season.
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Who here has argued it has killed an entire college football season?
 









discochris said:
What should the team's goal be?
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If you're asking me, the goal should be to beat Illinois.

But, hey, that's just my opinion.

What do you think the team's goal, at this point in time, should be? From some of the posts I read here on GopherHole, I almost get the impression that there are people who think the Gophers should spend the rest of the season living in regret because they lost one game back in September that they clearly should have won.

What's your opinion on that? Do you think that taking that approach would be productive or beneficial in some way?
 
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UpAndUnder43 said:
Yes. That is what I’m saying
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That's not factually correct. Sorry.

And here I was under the impression that the only point that you've been trying to make in all this is that baseball ≠ college football.

Ummmm... what greater point are you trying to make, anyway?
 
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RememberMurray said:
That's not factually correct. Sorry.

And here I was under the impression that the only point that you've been trying to make here is that baseball ≠ college football.

Ummmm... what greater point are you trying to make, anyway?
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They aren’t equal and there is 0% chance they make the final 4 with a loss to bowling green and no wins against good teams aside from a B1G title game
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
They aren’t equal and there is 0% chance they make the final 4 with a loss to bowling green and no wins against good teams aside from a B1G title game
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There it is! At last! It was like pulling teeth, but I got you to say it!

True colors, flying at last in the breeze!
 



UpAndUnder43 said:
They aren’t equal and there is 0% chance they make the final 4 with a loss to bowling green and no wins against good teams aside from a B1G title game
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A 11-2 Gopher team could absolutely make the playoff if the anyone but Oregon wins the Pac12, Georgia and Bama lose a couple games a piece. There is a 0% we control our destiny, but not that we make it.
 

RememberMurray said:
If you're asking me, the goal should be to beat Illinois.

But, hey, that's just my opinion.

What do you think the team's goal, at this point in time, should be? From some of the posts I read here on GopherHole, I almost get the impression that there are people who think the Gophers should spend the rest of the season living in regret because they lost one game back in September that they clearly should have won.

What's your opinion on that? Do you think that taking that approach would be productive or beneficial in some way?
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No, I meant what should the team's goal be at the beginning of the season?
 

noamfromm said:
A 11-2 Gopher team could absolutely make the playoff if the anyone but Oregon wins the Pac12, Georgia and Bama lose a couple games a piece. There is a 0% we control our destiny, but not that we make it.
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We’d still be behind 2 loss Ohio St, Georgia and Alabama if GA and Alabama each lost twice because they won’t have a loss to bowling green. Cincinnati would be ahead of us. Oregon we could conceivably pass.

We’d have split with tOSU, but their other loss would be to Oregon, so they should be ahead of us. But does 1 loss MSU stay ahead of us? Possibly. Not to mention a plethora of other teams without an awful loss.

There is 0% chance the gophers make the CFP. If I’m wrong I’ll donate $1000 to the children’s hospital.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
We’d still be behind 2 loss Ohio St, Georgia and Alabama if GA and Alabama each lost twice because they won’t have a loss to bowling green. Cincinnati would be ahead of us. Oregon we could conceivably pass.

We’d have split with tOSU, but their other loss would be to Oregon, so they should be ahead of us. But does 1 loss MSU stay ahead of us? Possibly. Not to mention a plethora of other teams without an awful loss.

There is 0% chance the gophers make the CFP. If I’m wrong I’ll donate $1000 to the children’s hospital.
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There is a greater than 0% chance to make it even if my off the cuff scenario was wrong. Alabama and Georgia lose three times each. Utah wins the Pac-12, OSU loses to PSU and Michigan, State loses to PSU and OSU, Gophers beat Michigan for the Jug in the title game. Cincinnati loses out . . .

You are wrong that there is a 0% chance that the Gophers can make (so go ahead and donate), but you are right that they won't make it.
 

noamfromm said:
There is a greater than 0% chance to make it even if my off the cuff scenario was wrong. Alabama and Georgia lose three times each. Utah wins the Pac-12, OSU loses to PSU and Michigan, State loses to PSU and OSU, Gophers beat Michigan for the Jug in the title game. Cincinnati loses out . . .

You are wrong that there is a 0% chance that the Gophers can make (so go ahead and donate), but you are right that they won't make it.
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I meant I’ll donate the $1000 if they make it. They won’t, even if they win out.
 

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