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of crappy Gopher football.

What else should I expect. Wish I did not care and spend so much time on these losers. :mad:



TONY DUNGY please come home!!
 



of crappy Gopher football.

What else should I expect. Wish I did not care and spend so much time on these losers. :mad:



TONY DUNGY please come home!!

What were your predicitions for the year? I think the general thought on the board that a 7 win team would be a great success.
 

I want to revoke your #1 fan Avatar. Mods?
 


I want to revoke your #1 fan Avatar. Mods?

"Mommy, Daddy there is a man who is not happy with the Gophers and picking on them . . . please do something to him. It's never ok not to be happy with the Gophers right?!"
 

of crappy Gopher football.

What else should I expect. Wish I did not care and spend so much time on these losers. :mad:



TONY DUNGY please come home!!


Well, you should have expected what everyone with a 12-year-old's understanding of this team expected...basically what we have. This was the first time this year we lost to a worse team. It's disappointing, but it happens. No one, outside of yourself, expected a Rose Bowl this year.

Look around the Big 10. Look around college football. A turnaround from mediocrity to championships takes time. I hate to break it to you, but Tony Dungy isn't on his way here, and neither is Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, or Coach Jesus. People aren't calling you out because you criticized the team...there are plenty of very fair criticisms to be leveled at the program. People disagree with you because you're overreacting and calling for the coach's head when he is making pretty much exactly the progress most of us expected when he arrived here. Sure, there are issues, but we can't convince the best of the best to come here, so we got the best we could, and he's taken positive steps towards the team you want (a no longer mediocre one.)

Now, instead of a frustrating team that always seems to get crushed by better teams and poop the bed once or twice a year against a worse/equal team, we have a team with the same type of performance, but a ton of hope in the pipeline. This is the first time we've had the talent coming in to actually be one of the better teams in the conference. Dumping this coach for now would be an unmitigated disaster, as we cannot afford to pay for nor attract a higher-tier coach, and would lose much of the recruiting momentum he's built.
 

Well, you should have expected what everyone with a 12-year-old's understanding of this team expected...basically what we have. This was the first time this year we lost to a worse team. It's disappointing, but it happens. No one, outside of yourself, expected a Rose Bowl this year.

Look around the Big 10. Look around college football. A turnaround from mediocrity to championships takes time. I hate to break it to you, but Tony Dungy isn't on his way here, and neither is Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, or Coach Jesus. People aren't calling you out because you criticized the team...there are plenty of very fair criticisms to be leveled at the program. People disagree with you because you're overreacting and calling for the coach's head when he is making pretty much exactly the progress most of us expected when he arrived here. Sure, there are issues, but we can't convince the best of the best to come here, so we got the best we could, and he's taken positive steps towards the team you want (a no longer mediocre one.)

Now, instead of a frustrating team that always seems to get crushed by better teams and poop the bed once or twice a year against a worse/equal team, we have a team with the same type of performance, but a ton of hope in the pipeline. This is the first time we've had the talent coming in to actually be one of the better teams in the conference. Dumping this coach for now would be an unmitigated disaster, as we cannot afford to pay for nor attract a higher-tier coach, and would lose much of the recruiting momentum he's built.


Tell me . . .this coach that you are defending, what is his overall and Big Ten record since he got here?

How many Big games has he won?

How competitive has his teams been against the top tier teams in the Big Ten?

I can see he is a good recruiter, the problem is he can't coach em up. I want someone who can do both.
 

You're PATHETIC

of crappy Gopher football.

What else should I expect. Wish I did not care and spend so much time on these losers. :mad:



TONY DUNGY please come home!!

I would be careful who you call losers, because you're not part of the team out there busting your ass. So, since you're not on the team I guess that makes you a bigger loser since you cannot make the team.
 



of crappy Gopher football.

What else should I expect. Wish I did not care and spend so much time on these losers. :mad:



TONY DUNGY please come home!!

:cry::cry::cry: My tiny violin is playing a sad song for you. I'm pissy this week too but holy jeebus son, you've gone over the edge. If you're going to go all Emo on the board then I can only say that I wish you didn't care so much either. I especially like where you call the team you support "losers"...now that's sign of a true fan right there!
 

I'm as glum about the program as I've been since Michigan last year.

And this is still the worst thread ever. The world is actually a worse place because of your thread. Somewhere, there's a child crying because of your contribution on GopherHole. And Santa Claus is dying. You've ruined Christmas for everyone.
 

"Tell me . . .this coach that you are defending, what is his overall and Big Ten record since he got here?"

You were anti Mason and now anti Brewster. Who exactly do you have in mind to replace him and how many seasons does he get before to start over yet again?

"I can see he is a good recruiter, the problem is he can't coach em up. I want someone who can do both."

Again, who you got in mind and how long until you want him gone too?

* This football thing is so much easier on X-Box.
 

"Tell me . . .this coach that you are defending, what is his overall and Big Ten record since he got here?"

You were anti Mason and now anti Brewster. Who exactly do you have in mind to replace him and how many seasons does he get before to start over yet again?.

He wants Dungy. Only problems are A) Tony isn't coming and B) No one knows if he can recruit year in and year out. I understand that he's a proven NFL coach with upstanding morals that parents will love. That doesn't mean he'll be able to recruit consistently. Or that he even wants to recruit. That's a full time job on top of a full time job. Tony seems pretty darn happy doing what he's doing.

So basically he's complaining without offering a plausible solution. He is now one of the goth kids on South Park.

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Oh thank you all wise ones, I have now seen the error of my ways. I should be compleatly satisfied and just accept that this program is not capeable of being a top tier team.
Next year will always be better then this year . . . right?! I should give him more time . . .right?!

Brew is not the guy, I wanted him to be the guy, but he aint.


Like I said at the beginning this team sucks as usual . . . I am tired of it.

If you are not upset and disapointed then congratulations you are ok with mediocrity.

I am not.
 

I would be careful who you call losers, because you're not part of the team out there busting your ass. So, since you're not on the team I guess that makes you a bigger loser since you cannot make the team.

Sorry already used up my elagability.
 

He wants Dungy. Only problems are A) Tony isn't coming and B) No one knows if he can recruit year in and year out. I understand that he's a proven NFL coach with upstanding morals that parents will love. That doesn't mean he'll be able to recruit consistently. Or that he even wants to recruit. That's a full time job on top of a full time job. Tony seems pretty darn happy doing what he's doing.

So basically he's complaining without offering a plausible solution. He is now one of the goth kids on South Park.

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Just like Tubby Smith would never coach here either right?

P.S. Nobody answered my question . . .
 

about what I expected

When we started we started the year I predicted 6 - 6 and the Insight Bowl. I will make the same prediction every year. But it would be nice if we could beat Wisconsin or Iowa once in a while.
 

"Tell me . . .this coach that you are defending, what is his overall and Big Ten record since he got here?"

You were anti Mason and now anti Brewster. Who exactly do you have in mind to replace him and how many seasons does he get before to start over yet again?

"I can see he is a good recruiter, the problem is he can't coach em up. I want someone who can do both."

Again, who you got in mind and how long until you want him gone too?

* This football thing is so much easier on X-Box.

He's anti-losing. What part of that don't you get???? I swear, some of you here would be happy with 6-6 every year.

Oe more year. Then he's gone if we don't have AT LEAST 8 wins next year.
 

Just like Tubby Smith would never coach here either right?

P.S. Nobody answered my question . . .

Hmmm...this is an odd comparions since A) the Tubby hire came out of thin air (i.e. not speculated on or predicted at all) and B) Tubby is a proven college coach who loves/prefers to coach in college.

Dungy has a single season of college coaching experience as the Minnesota DB coach in 1980. Every other year he spent as a coach was in the NFL. If you can point me to an article where he has expressed a long unfulfilled desire to take on a head coaching role in the college ranks then I'll relent. But nothing in his coaching history leads me to think that he has the desire to take on recruiting responsibilities of a college coach. Or that he plans on unretiring to coach again. NFL coaches do not automatically make good college coaches (and vice versa). I'd love it if he coached here but even if he did its not a guarantee of success.

I am not content with this program mediocre. I do not think this season is a success nor do I see it as a failure. Personally, I think it is what it is...disappointing. We should be 7-3 right now with a legit shot at 8-4 or 9-3 IMO. But we're not and I see no reason to call the players losers because of it.

You've given up on Brewster. Fair enough. Try to keep some perspective in the meantime. Or you can go on pretending that Tony Dungy will ride in on his white horse to save your hopes and dreams while you bemoan your terrible lot in life. I'm betting we'll see more of the latter.
 

He's anti-losing. What part of that don't you get???? I swear, some of you here would be happy with 6-6 every year.

Oe more year. Then he's gone if we don't have AT LEAST 8 wins next year.

I'm anti losing too. Difference is that I can be that way while not calling the players losers or pretending that a retired former Gopher who has shown no interest in coaching here will magically win us a Rose Bowl and make me richer then Bill Gates.
 

Oh thank you all wise ones, I have now seen the error of my ways. I should be compleatly satisfied and just accept that this program is not capeable of being a top tier team.
Next year will always be better then this year . . . right?! I should give him more time . . .right?!

Brew is not the guy, I wanted him to be the guy, but he aint.


Like I said at the beginning this team sucks as usual . . . I am tired of it.

If you are not upset and disapointed then congratulations you are ok with mediocrity.

I am not.

I'm actually curious now.... What kind of plan did/do you have for your life? And just how long did you give yourself to achieve it?

Congratulations for being visionary enough to set the bar higher than the rest of us. Congratulations for separating yourself from the pack and being one of the few who are refusing to accept mediocrity. You're an inspiration to the rest of us.

On a side note, please tell me you didn't get your "education" at a school in Minnesota? Apparently I'm one of those who refuse to accept mediocrity in terms of spelling and common grammar.
 

Gopher, that was the worst post I've read in a long time. "Crappy football" is the sum total of your comments. Hey, guess what? We weren't in contention to win the national title this year and were destined to lose between 5 & 7 games. The schedule was a ton harder than it's been in years.

We beat Northwestern, Purdue and Michigan State and held our own against Cal, Wisky and Illinois. Could it have been better? Could it have been worse? Yes to both. But goodness man, our depth is much better. We have another good class coming in and we have several blue chips that were red shirted this year.

I just looked at Rivals and in 2005 & 2006, Breswter's last 2 years we got 1 4-star recruit and 19 3-star recruits and 20 2-star. 2009 and 2010 based on current commitments we will have 6 4-star, 28 3-star and 5 2-star recruits. With red shirting et al this is much of what is leaving and arriving next year.

I am not one of those who lives and dies by these stars, but it is clearly an indication of where we are heading. This is a program moving in a positive direction. I, too, went nuts in last week's first half but let's be real about where we have been and where we are going.
 

Put another vote down in the "this is the stupidest post I've read in awhile" column.

I'm not sold on Brewster either. In fact, I'm concerned that the team doesn't seem to have improved, and fret that if he was truly a good coach more improvement should have been seen by now. Maybe not in W-L, but at least in consistency, player development, etc.

That said, the responders here are right in asking a question the original genius refuses to answer: How many games (and which ones) did you think they would win this year? The only 'right' answers are 5-7, 6-6, or 7-5, all of which are still in the running.

Starting over now on 'the next Brewster' (because Dungy just ain't coming) would be really stupid. Not only would we ask if the guy could coach, we'd ask if he could recruit. At least we have the answer to one of those questions about Brewster.
 

Tough schedule??? right?? Who exactly are those

BCS powers Minnesota had to play this year?????

The schedule turned out to not be so tough after all. The schedule looked tough on paper, but all the teams on it turned out to have problems.

Brewster was not able to find a way to beat any of these flawed teams as others did.

Brewster has not yet beat a good team and surprised us in three years, and I am not even getting into so called signature win territory. These teams never overacheive.
 




Tell me . . .this coach that you are defending, what is his overall and Big Ten record since he got here?

How many Big games has he won?

How competitive has his teams been against the top tier teams in the Big Ten?

Brewster's Big 10 record: 5–16 (Including 0-8 his first year, with Mason's kids/bare cupboards). 5-8 the last two years. For comparison, Mason was 7-9 in conference his last two seasons, after having 10 years to build this team into exactly he wanted.

He hasn't won any 'big' games if you only consider teams we should beat 'big.' His team is not competitive with the top tier of the conference yet. This is all information that has been covered in this thread before. If you don't see the talent improvement he's bringing, you haven't been paying attention. And if you don't see the coaching improving, you don't know what you're talking about.



Next year will always be better then this year . . . right?! I should give him more time . . .right?!

Right.
It's a pretty common belief that you should give a new coach in college at least 4 years to turn the team over, bring in his guys, and show you what he can do. If anything, Brewster should be given a little more leeway than this, as he was brought in late (Jan. 16, after the bowl, only 3 weeks before signing day) and was hired with the knowledge that he didn't have head coaching experience and would need to grow into that role. (The belief being we needed a good recruiter first and foremost if we actually want to become a top-tier team. Since we unfortunately could not attract a top-notch recruiter AND xs and os guy, Maturi went for recruiting in an effort to 'raise the ceiling' of this team's potential....EXACTLY what you're looking for.)

If you don't want to give him that extra leeway for whatever reason, fine. But you're still jumping the gun by at least a year.

Just like Tubby Smith would never coach here either right?

P.S. Nobody answered my question . . .

Wrong.
Tubby Smith was looking to get to a less-pressure situation. Minnesota basketball was also a more attractive job at that point, as we still had a measure of recent success and prestige, an easier path to top recruits, etc. Tony Dungy has flat-out SAID he doesn't want to coach in college, much less anywhere. He's basically, in not so many words, told the public that he would never coach the Gophers.

Your questions have all been answered. Now will you please think about what you're saying before you decide to post again?
 


You know what's hilarious?
Brewster has said from day 1, he's not satisfied with mediocrity either. He wants rose bowls and big ten titles and has not said a word otherwise since he was hired.

You should be the biggest Brewster backer of all if this is your battle cry. Mason WAS satisfied with mediocrity. Brewster is not.

Building a successful program takes time, it's clear that Brewster has cleaned house on almost every aspect of this program, except the players he has to work with. He even redecorated the damn Bierman complex.

What everyone is trying to explain to you is that as his players filter into starting roles and depth roles, we can finally judge whether or not the program has a chance to become better than mediocre. If we still lose alot of games year 4,5 then he should be replaced. Until then, he stays.

One more thing.
Tony Dungy is never coming here to coach football. Period. He's just not. Every time his name is brought up I shudder, because it just adds fuel to the stupid fire for people outside the dedicated fanbase. Someone who watches one or two games a year hears Dungy's name and immediately thinks " Oh yeah, he should coach here, not "fill in blank of any coach now until Dungy is 100".

Patience is required, whether or not you can handle that is up to you, personally I'm in it for the long haul.
 




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