Joe Schmit: Remember where you heard this: Randy Shannon of Miami

[josh087]

Can you provide some evidence to substantiate these claims?

I don't believe for one second that:

A) "Almost none" of the Miami alumni base is from Florida

B) A significant percentage of students don't settle in the Miami area after graduation

He's just using these as a cop out so he doesn't have to list "being in a large urban city with an NFL team" as one of the reasons why their attendance sucks.

 

[goldengophers]

Can you provide some evidence to substantiate these claims?

I don't believe for one second that:

A) "Almost none" of the Miami alumni base is from Florida

B) A significant percentage of students don't settle in the Miami area after graduation

I can partially substantiate, I have a sibling who is a senior at Miami currently and most students are from out of state (heavy East Coast prep school pop.) and likely to not stay in Florida beyond college.

 

[howeda7]

Can you provide some evidence to substantiate these claims?

I don't believe for one second that:

A) "Almost none" of the Miami alumni base is from Florida

B) A significant percentage of students don't settle in the Miami area after graduation

The second part is true. A significant % of Miami grads don't settle in the Miami area. They go back where they are from (the northeast.) Of course some of them do, but not most.

'Almost none' is a subjective term. But they have a far lower % of the student body from the local area then most schools. Is that clear enough?

Put it this way, I'm willing to bet that Minnesota has 20 times more alumni living within 100 miles of Minneapolis then Miami does even though the school is only 5 times as big. By comparison that is almost none.

 

[RodentRampage]

Would Donna Shalala fight hard to keep him from Wisconsin's chief rival?

I would hope that as the President of the University of Miami, her only concern is with Miami's interest, and not with the interests of some other school were she used to be the president.

 

[Art Vandelay]

It will be a 'Tubby-type deal' in terms of $$$$. Certainly Shannon does not have Tubby's resume, but he does have name recognition and comes from a nationally known power. The comparison is not that big a stretch.[/QUOTE]

Not. Even. Close.

 

[Silvio]

He's just using these as a cop out so he doesn't have to list "being in a large urban city with an NFL team" as one of the reasons why their attendance sucks.

I have stated similar claims. I can't back them up, they are just issues I believe I have read. Although I do think a fair amount of graduates would be inclined to stay in the area.

I think the fact that they have pro team in the area is very relevant. I think this is very different from what the Gophers face here though. The Dolphins have had continued success long before Miami became a national power in football.

 

[howeda7]

He's just using these as a cop out so he doesn't have to list "being in a large urban city with an NFL team" as one of the reasons why their attendance sucks.

If the University of Florida was in Miami they would still sell out 90,000 seats. If the University of Miami was in Gainesville they'd still struggle to fill 60,000 even more then they do now. Period. There's a huge difference between being a large land-grant college with a giant alumni-base in the SEC and a small private school in the ACC that draws most of it's students from out-of-state. What is so hard to understand about that? And you know what hurts more then the Dophins? The fact that a good chunk of the population in South Florida is rooting for the Gators and Noles instead.

 

[Unregistered User]

Well this turned from an interesting read to unreadable in a hurry.

 

[ruralgopher]

It will be a 'Tubby-type deal' in terms of $$$$. Certainly Shannon does not have Tubby's resume, but he does have name recognition and comes from a nationally known power. The comparison is not that big a stretch.

If the comparison was money, not a big stretch. If the comparison was brought up based on accomplishments, Shannon is much more Brew like than Tubby like.

 

[dpodoll68]

The second part is true. A significant % of Miami grads don't settle in the Miami area. They go back where they are from (the northeast.) Of course some of them do, but not most.

You saying it is so does not substantiate anything.

'Almost none' is a subjective term....By comparison that is almost none.

In 2009, 39% of their incoming freshman class was from Florida. Thirty-nine percent of anything is never "almost none."

 

[Silvio]

I think if Shannon is interested he should be someone the U takes a hard look at. He has improved the on field product from when he took over and he has worked to clean up their reputation for off field incidents.

 

[50PoundHead]

I'd be fine with Shannon.

 

[KoolAid]

I'd be fine with Shannon.

So would I. It's just that he's never coached outside the city of Miami. I'm still trying to figure this one out. No way this actually happens

 

[howeda7]

You saying it is so does not substantiate anything.



In 2009, 39% of their incoming freshman class was from Florida. Thirty-nine percent of anything is never "almost none."

Thanks for the research. 39% is still very low. I hope you are an English teacher with the degree that you police this board's verbiage and spelling.

 

[Wheaton]

Can you repeat this part in English please?

I believe the Gophers will have its new head coach ready to go and chosen by the time we can have serious talks with Shannon.

I assume Shannon will be around till the end of the year and by that time the Gophers will have exhausted it's search and come up with its head coach. While during all this time, we will not be allowed to talk to or interview Shannon because he is still working for Miami.

 

[dpodoll68]

39% is still very low.

It was actually 46% among the student body as a whole. It is not picking nits to say that "almost half" does not equal "almost none".

I hope you are an English teacher with the degree that you police this board's verbiage and spelling.

I'm not a teacher period, let alone English. But you don't have to be a teacher to know that making sh*t up to bolster your point is an extremely ineffective method of discussion and debate.

 

[Hates Monikers]

A guy who has been 26-16 (14-14 in the ACC), 0-2 in bowl games, some asst. coaching upheaval, never coached outside of Miami, FL...

I don't see why would get this guy over some of the others.

2007 5-7 (2-6 conference)
2008 7-6 (4-4)
2009 9-4 (5-3)
2010 5-2 (3-1)

That's not exactly a Nick Saban turnaround. (But we won't get Nick Saban.) But it's also better than you're making it sound. It's yearly improvement after taking over for the Jim Wacker-like Larry Coker. He's not at the top of my list, but we could do worse -- and often have.

 

[josh087]

If the University of Florida was in Miami they would still sell out 90,000 seats. If the University of Miami was in Gainesville they'd still struggle to fill 60,000 even more then they do now. Period. There's a huge difference between being a large land-grant college with a giant alumni-base in the SEC and a small private school in the ACC that draws most of it's students from out-of-state. What is so hard to understand about that? And you know what hurts more then the Dophins? The fact that a good chunk of the population in South Florida is rooting for the Gators and Noles instead.

I thought all you had to do was WIN to have great attendance! Now you're saying there is more to it?

 

[howeda7]

If the comparison was money, not a big stretch. If the comparison was brought up based on accomplishments, Shannon is much more Brew like than Tubby like.

You could say that. I think the comparison is apt in the 'splash' factor which I think is very important to Maturi/Bruinicks. It's not a good comparison based on resume. If you plotted a line for resume strength between Brew and Tubby (it's a huge gap) Shannon would probably fall just on Tubby's side of the middle.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

It doesn't and it does. From 30,000 thousand feet it doesn't, no sane coach would leave the "U" for the U, but what if the Miami is becoming another ND? A school whose time has passed it by, due to limited resources, decaying facilities, relatively small alumni base (different from ND), and relatively weak conference (both quality of play and financial health).

How is that anything like Notre Dame?

 

[josh087]

But you don't have to be a teacher to know that making sh*t up to bolster your point is an extremely ineffective method of discussion and debate.

He tends to do that. My biggest pet peeve on this board is when people make up S@#* and try to pass them off as statistics or fact.

 

[howeda7]

I thought all you had to do was WIN to have great attendance! Now you're saying there is more to it?

I don't think I ever said that. That is all the Gophers have to do. They are a large University with a huge alumni-base. Miami is not. That said, if they were winning at the level now expected of them (Top 5 competing for National Titles) they would be selling out. They have to draw the local folks who have zero ties to the school. That is a tough sell in a big city, I admit it. But the Gophers could fill TCF if even 10% of the alumni who live in the area could be bothered to show up. The fact that they can't is not the Vikings fault.

 

[Unregistered User]

He tends to do that. My biggest pet peeve on this board is when people make up S@#* and try to pass them off as statistics or fact.

92% of the people on the internets lie 64% of the time by using only 81% of the facts.

 

[howeda7]

It was actually 46% among the student body as a whole. It is not picking nits to say that "almost half" does not equal "almost none".



I'm not a teacher period, let alone English. But you don't have to be a teacher to know that making sh*t up to bolster your point is an extremely ineffective method of discussion and debate.

Fine. I stand corrected on my choice of words. But I don't think that my incorrect choice of words detracted from my point, or made it that difficult to understand. Miami is handicapped by the % of thier students/alumni who are not from the area. That is a true statement and was my only point.

 

[howeda7]

He tends to do that. My biggest pet peeve on this board is when people make up S@#* and try to pass them off as statistics or fact.

'almost-none' is not a statistic and at no point did I offer any and state they were facts. I simply pointed out a true fact with a poor choice of words to qualify it.

 

[wait!what?]

rather have billick.

 

[BleedGopher]

92% of the people on the internets lie 64% of the time by using only 81% of the facts.

Link?

 

[dpodoll68]

But I don't think that my incorrect choice of words detracted from my point, or made it that difficult to understand.

Actually, it made your point stronger than it is. "Almost none" implies that virtually the entire student body is from out-of-state, when that is not even remotely true.

Miami is handicapped by the % of thier students/alumni who are not from the area. That is a true statement and was my only point.

So why didn't you just say that in the first place? It's because you were counting on people believing you without actually using common sense and doing a little research. People don't use gross hyperbole unless they have some motivation for making a tenuous argument appear stronger to someone who doesn't know any better.

No matter how hard you try, I will not apologize for calling you out on this. It is lazy and ineffectual.

 

[Unregistered User]

Link?

Sure...here you go, plain as day.

 

[howeda7]

2007 5-7 (2-6 conference)
2008 7-6 (4-4)
2009 9-4 (5-3)
2010 5-2 (3-1)

That's not exactly a Nick Saban turnaround. (But we won't get Nick Saban.) But it's also better than you're making it sound. It's yearly improvement after taking over for the Jim Wacker-like Larry Coker. He's not at the top of my list, but we could do worse -- and often have.

Jim Wacker-like Larry Coker? When did Jim Wacker win a National Championship? That's some serious hyperbole there. I'm surprised you escaped Dpdoll's wrath on that one.