Joe Mauer - Cooperstown - IN!

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the Hall of Fame voting has gone on this dual track over the last 20 years or so.

on the one hand, you have players getting admitted who were very good but had their careers shortened or curtailed due to injuries - such as Puckett. Mauer could also be put into that camp.

and then you have players who were never "elite" but played a long time and accumulated decent career totals - like a Harold Baines.

it's hard to compare the two groups - it's like the voters have two different sets of criteria. you can get into the Hall for being really good for a relatively short time, or you can get into the hall for being OK for a relatively long time.
 

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By his play he's a Hall of Famer. National fans and HOF voters don't know his salary and don't care. Just like we don't know how much Adrian Beltre made. People need to get over his freaking contract already. It was a fair contract when he signed it.
I never understood the salary aspect of it all. What does a player's salary have to do with results?
 


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Waiting on The Call.


This indeed would be great company:

It would also be historic. Only 18 players whose careers were primarily spent catching have received the game's highest honor at the museum in Cooperstown. And only two of them — Johnny Bench in 1989 and Iván Rodríguez in 2017 — cleared the 75% hurdle in their first year on the ballot. Even such luminaries as Yogi Berra, Carlton Fisk and Mike Piazza fell short on their first try.
 



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Joe made lots of money, so ownership spent less on other players. Mauer should have taken less to build a better team (or something close to that).
He absolutely should not have. Unless you want to argue the Twins should have compensated him extra when he was putting up HOF numbers on a league minimum salary.
 

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the Hall of Fame voting has gone on this dual track over the last 20 years or so.

on the one hand, you have players getting admitted who were very good but had their careers shortened or curtailed due to injuries - such as Puckett. Mauer could also be put into that camp.

and then you have players who were never "elite" but played a long time and accumulated decent career totals - like a Harold Baines.

it's hard to compare the two groups - it's like the voters have two different sets of criteria. you can get into the Hall for being really good for a relatively short time, or you can get into the hall for being OK for a relatively long time.
Baines almost fits neither category though. A sub-40 WAR in the HOF is insanity.
 

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Joe made lots of money, so ownership spent less on other players. Mauer should have taken less to build a better team (or something close to that).
He made $23 million/year. It was a fair contract when he signed it. Even if he took a pay cut to $15 million for "reasons" (not that the Player's Association would ever allow it) what difference would that $8 million/year really have made? They could have signed a second Kevin Correa to build the rotation?
 

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He made $23 million/year. It was a fair contract when he signed it. Even if he took a pay cut to $15 million for "reasons" (not that the Player's Association would ever allow it) what difference would that $8 million/year really have made? They could have signed a second Kevin Correa to build the rotation?
Or lets say he played like 2009 every year of the contract. That wouldn't be the difference between 90+ loss teams and the playoffs. They couldn't develop within at all. It was really bad there for awhile.
 





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Mauer should have taken less to build a better team (or something close to that).

The winter he was up for his deal was the winter before Target Field opened. He had the Pohlads over a barrel at the negotiating table. If they would have let him walk because they wouldn't pay him the going rate, there would have been a fan rebellion going into the opening of the new ballpark.
 




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Full Voting results:


Adrian Beltre & Todd Helton also are getting the nos. Jim Leyland also was previously announced via the Contemporary Era Baseball Committee.
 
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Full Voting results:


Adrian Beltre & Todd Helton also are getting the nos. Jim Leyland also was previously announced via the Contemporary Era Baseball Committee.
Hearing Leyland in person would likely be worth the trip itself.
 






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I never understood the salary aspect of it all. What does a player's salary have to do with results?

Not a damn thing. No professional athlete has ever given back part of their salary because fans or ownership don't think their performance results were worth the money.

Interesting Stat: Now that Mauer is in there are only 11 catchers in MLB history who have entered the HOF through the normal voting process. There are 8 catchers who got in the HOF through the Veteran's Committee or the Negro Leagues Committee.


Here are four reasons why Mauer belongs in Cooperstown.

(1) Mauer has cleared the performance bar to be a Hall of Fame catcher

Using JAWS, Mauer ranks seventh among catchers (47.1) and is surrounded by Hall of Famers.
JAWS measures a player's career WAR averaged with his seven-year peak WAR.
-- The six catchers ahead of him are all enshrined in Cooperstown: Johnny Bench, Gary Carter, Ivan Rodriguez, Carlton Fisk, Mike Piazza and Yogi Berra.
--Just behind Mauer are Bill Dickey, Mickey Cochrane, Gabby Hartnett and Ted Simmons, all of whom are also in the Hall of Fame.

(2) Few catchers in MLB history have approached Mauer's level of offensive success

Mauer's .388 OBP trails only two players (Cochrane and Wally Schang)
who logged a majority of their games behind the plate and had at least 5,000 plate appearances.

His .306 batting average ranks fourth, while he trails only 11 catchers with his 124 OPS+.

From 2006-13, when Mauer was a full-time catcher, he was one of the top hitters in the Majors.
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During that time, Mauer had a .327 batting average that trailed only Miguel Cabrera's .328 BA (min. 3,000 plate appearances),
- His .410 on-base percentage trailed only Joey Votto (.419).
- Mauer's 139 OPS+ was easily the best among catchers and only trailed 10 hitters.
- In five of those seasons, Mauer had a 140 OPS+ or better, meaning he was 40% better than the league-average hitter.

Mauer also won the 2009 AL MVP Award and took home the AL batting title three times (2006, 2008-09).

(3) Three-time batting champions are near-locks for the HOF


Mauer is just one of 29 hitters in MLB history to win three times, with Josh Gibson (in the Negro Leagues) being the only other catcher to pull off the feat.

Among that group of hitters, 22 of them have made it into the Hall of Fame. Two of those who aren't there -- Cabrera and Jose Altuve -- should make it one day, while Pete Rose is not eligible.

(4) Mauer was one of the best players of his era

Mauer racked up 40.6 WAR, seventh-best among all players.
Ahead of Mauer in that stretch was Albert Pujols, Utley, Cabrera, Beltré, Robinson Canó and Justin Verlander. Outside of Canó -- who was twice suspended for using performance-enhancing drugs -- all of these players are either likely or possible Hall of Famers.

For eight seasons, Mauer was not just the best offensive catcher in the sport -- he was one of the best players period, grouped with names like Pujols, Cabrera and Verlander.

 
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That is incredible that a northern, urban city of population 250k or so produced four HOFers.

Congrats!
 

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Should I be that guy? I'll be that guy. . .

Chief Bender's defenders could have a pretty solid argument on spot #4 for Mount Rushmore, over Black Jack--of course, Morris will live in all Twins fans' memories for Game 7, '91; I don't imagine there's anyone out there that can conjure up a similar memory for Bender (considering his last real season was 1917).
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If you have to ask the question, you already are him😉
 

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Should I be that guy? I'll be that guy. . .

Chief Bender's defenders could have a pretty solid argument on spot #4 for Mount Rushmore, over Black Jack--of course, Morris will live in all Twins fans' memories for Game 7, '91; I don't imagine there's anyone out there that can conjure up a similar memory for Bender (considering his last real season was 1917).
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Curveball his best pitch?
It would be a crime if it wasn’t.
 




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