Jerry Kill suffered seizure after the game

You're somewhat right in that it is apples to oranges. What Jerry Kill deals with is not life threatening, but cancer and heart attacks end the lives of good people every day. It is clear you do not understand, or have the capability to comprehend the differences.

If your long and illustrious posting history here, you have proven yourself to be clueless, so don't think you're going to be getting any slack when calling the good Dr. Don "puss boy", Jack-hole.

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"What the hell am I supposed to do? Stop? I mean, sit in the chair and wait for the next dang seizure to come along?" - Kill after his during-game seizure last season.

He is a fighter and a great example for not only his players, but for anyone who cares to pay attention. Yes, of course his condition is not ideal, but he has fought through it for a long time.....much longer than most of us realized he existed. So to say that he may not be a long-term deal is a ridiculous statement. Obviously there are plenty of situations which could end his time here at the U, but his seizure condition will probably not be one of them.

He is dedicated and loves the sport. If you don't admire the way Kill conducts himself, then you need to check out your own character issues. Kill's message may not resonate with some of the prima-dona recruits/players, but the kids with a good work ethic will hear him loud and clear. Those are the kind of players that we need to turn the tide. The ones that buy in and refuse to quit. The ones that have the Jerry Kill attitude.
 

Kill has missed a week in 4 of the last 7 football seasons. He has a history of illnesses that have kept him in the hospital.

Zero surprise this happened again. He's got a lot of fight in him.. he won't stop unless the U makes him.

first of all, i hope kill takes the sunday off and gets better.

secondly, if this is true, then it should be a red flag unless you can name another fbs coach that has missed 4 weeks in the last seven years.
 

Best of luck to Coach Kill. Any recruit that is going to be scared off by this would have already been scared off by the incident last year. I just hope they can keep it under control going forward.
 


My guess is Kill has had doctors telling him for years that being a football coach is not helping his condition and that he should do something else. Kill has probably listened to them, told them to take a long walk off a short pier, left their office and headed back to the football complex.

Kill's condition is one of the main benefits of having a very loyal long time staff in place. I would be willing to bet that when he has these episodes it doesn't really phase Claeys and Limegrover anymore and they know what they need to do in order to keep things moving forward while Kill recovers. What happens on the field will determine Kill's future at the U of M, this condition won't have any baring on it at all.

The only thing that will be interesting to watch is whether or not it gets worse now that he is coaching at this level. The stress of coaching in general is very high but it is far higher at a BCS school then it is at a MAC school or a place like Southern Illinois. If stress, fatigue, and lack of sleep are contributing factors I would be willing to bet all three of those things have gotten worse since he took the job here.
 


secondly, if this is true, then it should be a red flag unless you can name another fbs coach that has missed 4 weeks in the last seven years.

Exactly right. There is much talk in college football about sleeping in the office, extraordinarily long hours, etc... and coaches will say it's a part of the job and necessary to have their teams compete at a high level.

Now Kill is heading for 5 of the last 8 years that he's been stuck in a hospital during the season. Does his health affect his coaching ability? Absolutely.

He's hard headed though and probably won't quit unless Minnesota makes him. They tried to make him slow down last year and he told them to get bent. It's admirable in one respect, but it's scary and not healthy in another.

Coaching football is bad for his health and vice versa. Minnesota knew this when they hired him, so either they were OK with this happening or were just crossing their fingers that it wouldn't continue to be a problem going forward.

Personally, I'm more worried about him taking care of himself than the football program.

You can try and downplay seizures as not being a big deal and pretend that if he wasn't in front of players yesterday when he went down that it's not a big deal.

I don't buy that, though. When you're getting rushed to the hospital and admitted, it's concerning. I don't even know the man and am worried about his health. I can't imagine all his players who have a relationship with him are thinking, "oh, no biggie, coach will be back when he gets back.. let's look ahead to next Saturday."
 

First off, how many games in his career has he failed to coach due to his condition?


Does his health affect his coaching ability? Absolutely.

100% false. It has no affect on his ability.

They tried to make him slow down last year and he told them to get bent.

Link? Source?

Personally, I'm more worried about him taking care of himself than the football program.

I don't believe one word of this sentence.

Go back to chasing your Mbakwe ghosts.
 



Jerry Kill will continue to be a role model for those with seizure disorders. He is publicly demonstrating how to deal with this challenge with courage and grace.

The smallminded naysayers can kiss his ass.
+1

I read the small story from the NY Times aloud to my wife this morning and she replied that something like 2% of adults would suffer some sort of seizure disorder in their lifetimes. (It was an issue with us since a friend had suffered a bad burn and then developed seizures as a result.)

The good news is that modern drugs can often control the problem. The bad news is that the drugs can slow the patient down.

Sheer speculation on my part, but Kill might have skipped his dosage in order to be sharp for the game.

Hope it never happens again.
 

No his comment is not a joke. The people that question this are no less a Gopher fan than you. We each cheer and want nothing but the best for this team. You are delusional if you dont think this condition will have any effect on his job. If this continues it will be a factor in recruitment.

Your comment is a joke. Anyone can drop dead tomorrow for any number of reasons. He is our coach and we need to support him as best we can to get through these tough times. Thoughts and prayers with him, his family, the team.
 

Uhhhhh it's a huge issue!?

There is a reason why members of coaching staff wait until the summer to take vacation and they certainly don't take any during the season. While it's not coaches fault he falls ill and it's commendable he comes back, it is most definitely a disruption to the team when the head coach misses a unscheduled week or so during every season.

It is also a testament to his coaching ability that in the past he has been able to pull it off by having successful team.....I hope he can continue to do it.
 

It has happened before and will again. Our coach has a seizure disorder. They don't just go away.

However, I believe Jerry Kill when he says he can handle it and do his job. I think the evidence is clear.

I hope he and his family are doing well.

Well, early indicators show that he is 0-2 on days of seizures. What do you say about that. I'm just curious. Not trying to pick a fight or anything. Not much data to go on. If he went another 5 or 6 games with seizures, would you say it is a problem? That is the real question. At what point is it a problem.
 



FYI I texted my dad, who is a Mayo Clinic trained neurosurgeon, after I heard about the seizure. His response was "normal for an epileptic, nothing to worry about."

I feel bad for Coach Kill that it's somehow national news every time he has a seizure. Guess what guys, it's going to KEEP HAPPENING. He's an epileptic. I'm super glad all of the GopherHole doctors need to chime in after each episode.

I grew up with a kid who had three benign seizures over the year in class. Should he have dropped out of school? We were informed about the student's disorder at the beginning of the year and were taught how to react. It was startling when it occurred, but we knew it was no big deal. He came back to class the next day and life went on. Guess what, he's still alive now, graduated from Macalester and spent the beginning of his career in Paris.
 

Well, early indicators show that he is 0-2 on days of seizures. What do you say about that. I'm just curious. Not trying to pick a fight or anything. Not much data to go on. If he went another 5 or 6 games with seizures, would you say it is a problem? That is the real question. At what point is it a problem.

;) please let the record show that it was Dean S (not yours truly) who made comment about the.....timing of said seizures. In fairness, it certainly isn't the first time I have heard someone make note of this.

In all seriousness the losses probably cause more dress or something he has no control over.
 

FYI I texted my dad, who is a Mayo Clinic trained neurosurgeon, after I heard about the seizure. His response was "normal for an epileptic, nothing to worry about."

I feel bad for Coach Kill that it's somehow national news every time he has a seizure. Guess what guys, it's going to KEEP HAPPENING. He's an epileptic. I'm super glad all of the GopherHole doctors need to chime in after each episode.

I grew up with a kid who had three benign seizures over the year in class. Should he have dropped out of school? We were informed about the student's disorder at the beginning of the year and were taught how to react. It was startling when it occurred, but we knew it was no big deal. He came back to class the next day and life went on. Guess what, he's still alive now, graduated from Macalester and spent the beginning of his career in Paris.

Thank you, Nate. Your Dad is one of the most brilliant guys I have ever met...and if Mayo isn't a good enough credential for the GH docs, perhaps his schooling at Johns Hopkins is??? ;)

I had a guy engage me in a Twitter debate today, and tweeted me things like this:
why does he keep coaching? Scaring kids like that is not responsible. His health obviously isn't good for coaching. Stop
I understand its real life.But I mean he had one of sideline, now in locker room. It's a massive distraction
I'm not trying to sound insensitive...but he's not thinking of his staff/players...it's about himself. And that's fine.
but if was really worried about others as he said he'd quit. That's scary...and it isn't a one time thing.
I disagree. Why else would he keep coaching but for himself? He's not Nick Saban. Those kids need stability. Just my opinion
He should stop coaching bc he has a seizure disorder that's obviously triggered by coaching football.

I replied a few times, but would have lost it if I kept up. I particularly like the comment about him not being Nick Saban...so if he won more, then it would be okay for him to coach even if he has seizures?

Should he be taking care of himself, yes, of course. But it looks like he's already made some changes, lost some weight, has been eating better, etc. But should he quit his job and sit in a bubble for the rest of his life, no. This is such a ridiculous stance. This is just something to be prepared for - his assistants are, his players are, and we all should be.
 

Will he miss practice this week?

When you are trying to turn around a bottom 2 program in the conference, it helps to be at practice.


I would have rather hired a younger healthier coach. But now that we have Kill we should just make the best of it. If he isn't going to miss time, I don't see it as a big deal. If he is going to miss time, at some point it becomes a problem. It is definitely a distraction.
 

Well, early indicators show that he is 0-2 on days of seizures. What do you say about that. I'm just curious. Not trying to pick a fight or anything. Not much data to go on. If he went another 5 or 6 games with seizures, would you say it is a problem? That is the real question. At what point is it a problem.

If he had seizures for 5 straight games, I would be concerned that his health and his occupation were incompatible. But he hasn't. If it happens during a game every few years, and he has a bad stretch like last year every few years, then I would think it is completely manageable and just something to be dealt with.

There are many conditions, illnesses, and handicaps that in the past were considered a reason to discount a person's ability and qualification. But we know better. When it is something scary looking like a seizure disorder, I suspect it really freaks some people out (not saying you or anyone else specifically) that it can and will happen again. But over time it will become clear that people with seizure disorders can have fewer limitations than some might think.

I am proud that the University of Minnesota chose to judge Jerry Kill on his ability, and not to be frightened by his seizure disorder.
 

There is nothing normal about a seizure. By definition it is not a normal event. It may be if you are an epileptic appear to be normal and life goes on. But, it is not an everyday event. The brain is out of control when it happens.

I think this is an accurate quote from Cedar Sinai, a top 25 hospital.

Quote. Uncontrolled seizures can have a big impact on lifestyle, restricting the individual from driving and limiting their work and leisure time activities. Although seizures themselves usually are not physically harmful to people who have epilepsy, they carry a risk of injury and death. The risk is greater for people who have many seizures, depending on the type of seizure they have. Unexpected seizures can cause falls, drowning or other accidents, and a lengthy seizure condition (status epilepticus) can lead to coma or death. By reducing or stopping seizures, treatment may greatly improve the patient's quality of life and safety. End quote.

I find it difficult to know what was being said in other peoples phone calls with experts and how to interpret them 3rd hand. So, I went and poked around the first website that came up in my search. I find it interesting that a Mayo trained physician or staff member would say it was not a dangerous condition. Listing off the causes of epilepsy, like brain lesions, is a fairly serious condition in itself. Not that Coach Kill has brain lesions, I have not been informed if he has. But, I find it ludicrous that people of any education would dismiss the condition as anything other than a major disability. Note that I did not say severe. And, on any given day, I think Coach Kill is quite capable of building up this football team based on his KSA in football.

I want the man to be well, to coach the team, and to win more than his fair share of victories. But, I will simply not pretend that a seizure is benign, normal, acceptable, or something that can be fully managed. And, I will not accept the position that contingencies can take care of everything. Nor, do find it comforting to see the loses as anything but a normal consequence of the head coach having a seizure on game day. It just does not seem reasonable to conclude all is well when the coach goes down.

Bottom line is that on any given day I would enjoy Kill on the sideline with the team. I would also expect that on days where he has a seizure, the trigger mechanism is in place and may already have started to affect his mental ability during the game without noticeable symptoms. Jerry might not even know it when it is emerging. On those days, I expect it degrades his ability to function fully. He would then be impaired from carrying out his duties to their fullest measure, outside of the state of his condition. He would not, for example, be able to respond to things in his peak capacity mentally. The pre-tremor condition may already have slowed his mental acuity and executive function. I think that is both a fair and accurate representation of what happens during a pre-seizure event. It may be seconds before the seizure. It may be minutes before the seizure. It may be hours before the seizure.
Nobody knows for sure and they are not predictable events. What we do know is that signals in the brain are suddenly overwhelmed and systems become uncontrollable, like body control.

Should coach Kill continue to coach? Sure. Why not!
Should coach Kill retire and live a happy normal life? Sure. Why not!

Either are acceptable answers to address the problem of Coach Kill. What is not certain is whether or not either of these answers address the need of Gopher Football in particular. I have that overwhelming feeling of being underwhelmed with my ability to answer that last question.
 

Clearly my dad should search the internet rather than rely on his years of expertise. Dean S to the rescue!

Kill has an idiopathic seizure disorder. He doesn't have any tumors or brain lesions, he publicized the battery of tests that he went through last season.

Regardless of what you think, I doubt it's even legal to relieve Coach Kill of his duties due to this disorder. He'd have to leave on his own accord. I don't think he should.
 

Clearly my dad should search the internet rather than rely on his years of expertise. Dean S to the rescue!

Kill has an idiopathic seizure disorder. He doesn't have any tumors or brain lesions, he publicized the battery of tests that he went through last season.

Regardless of what you think, I doubt it's even legal to relieve Coach Kill of his duties due to this disorder. He'd have to leave on his own accord. I don't think he should.

You don't think it would be legal to fire him for the disorder?

I don't think they should get rid of him, but as a college football coach he has a contract that can be bought out at any time for any reason.
 

Clearly my dad should search the internet rather than rely on his years of expertise. Dean S to the rescue!

Kill has an idiopathic seizure disorder. He doesn't have any tumors or brain lesions, he publicized the battery of tests that he went through last season.

Regardless of what you think, I doubt it's even legal to relieve Coach Kill of his duties due to this disorder. He'd have to leave on his own accord. I don't think he should.

Earlier you posted epileptic seizure. Now you jump on me for not knowing it was idiopathic seizure. Nice one junior. Post it accurately next time. See how 3rd hand information gets lost in the translation! That is why I looked up epileptic seizure. Does that limit my concern? Not really. I never posted that we should relieve him of his duties. Sheesh. Lets be accurate here, okay. I don't doubt the great understanding of your father. My concern is the nature of getting things 3rd hand on a football board. It doesn't exactly give you better credibility by hanging onto the coat tails of your father and using him as a reference for your own credibility. I never said he had "brain lesions", I said, "like brain lesions", as in one of the ordinary causes of having a seizure. I could have posted any of the others, but it was an illustration. So lighten up, Francis. I am not disputing the credibility of your father or his excellent knowledge in the field of medicine. I just question the affect of seizures on the impact it has on operations of the football team.

As for idiopathic seizure disorder, every site I looked at shows that it is a type of epilepsy. Idiopathic, meaning unknown origin. So, one of the normal and known causes, all of which damage the brain in some measurable manner, the most distinct of which are the seizures.

As for termination. Yes, the team can ultimately make a case that it will not be accommodated because it adversely affects things and they can not accommodate the condition for x,y, and z reasons any longer. They just have to spell them out and be very crafty as to how they measure it. Whether Jerry Kill contests it and wins in court is another matter. But, business before and after today has and can prevail if they have documented their reasons satisfactorily. They could say, and this is just a lesson in the practice of business for you, the expectation was that the medicine would control the disorder and that because he has had more than one seizure, that the risk of his safety compromises his well being and raises the cost of operations to ensure his safety at a level not reasonable in cost. It could be as low as $1000. They could ask Jerry to wear a helmet everyday. If he doesn't wear it once, then he is gone. No questions asked. They could say his chauffeur is an unreasonable accommodation because then every employee with the disorder could request it and place an undue burden on the U. I think I could come up with more, but these few examples are sufficient.

Again, I am not asking the coach to be dismissed. I am not asking him to quit. I like Jerry Kill as a coach, man, and leader in football. I want him to be the coach at Minnesota.

I just wondered whether or not his condition affected the outcome of 2 games on days he had a seizure. It is a reasonable question. It is as scientific as it gets. It has no prejudice or bias in itself. And, yes, I do have a sense of curiosity about whether it did or didn't.

Bless your heart for looking after Jerry and your dad.
 

I just wondered whether or not his condition affected the outcome of 2 games on days he had a seizure. It is a reasonable question. It is as scientific as it gets. It has no prejudice or bias in itself. And, yes, I do have a sense of curiosity about whether it did or didn't.

Attempting to link them at all is silly. But both seizures occurred after the game. Did his seizures affect the outcome? Clearly not. Did the outcome contribute to his seizure? Probably on some level. Now, watch this thread veer into whether the stress of knowing this is detrimental to the players.

This whole line of questioning is ridiculous. People who suffer from epileptic seizures will suffer from them sporadically. It can be nerve-wracking for those around them, but it's life. In a sport that has seen Joe Paterno and John Gagliardi coach into their 80's and many others into their 60's and 70's I fail to see how this is a huge deal, recruiting or otherwise.
 

Attempting to link them at all is silly. But both seizures occurred after the game. Did his seizures affect the outcome? Clearly not. Did the outcome contribute to his seizure? Probably on some level. Now, watch this thread veer into whether the stress of knowing this is detrimental to the players.

Hopefully not.
 

Attempting to link them at all is silly. But both seizures occurred after the game. Did his seizures affect the outcome? Clearly not.

My memory isn't what it used to be, but I recall saying, "I'm not even worried about this game - who cares. I just hope the coach is OK." [New Mex St]

I thought Minnesota was down by 7 points late in the fourth quarter and still had possession. I believe the next play after Kill was taken off the field was the Gophers last chance and they failed to convert or score.

There is no doubt his health negatively impacts his coaching and recruiting. However, that doesn't mean he isn't a good coach or recruiter. There are many negatives and positives to most every coach.. this is a unique one, though.
 

My memory isn't what it used to be, but I recall saying, "I'm not even worried about this game - who cares. I just hope the coach is OK." [New Mex St]

I thought Minnesota was down by 7 points late in the fourth quarter and still had possession. I believe the next play after Kill was taken off the field was the Gophers last chance and they failed to convert or score.

There is no doubt his health negatively impacts his coaching and recruiting. However, that doesn't mean he isn't a good coach or recruiter. There are many negatives and positives to most every coach.. this is a unique one, though.

As I recall, they had a last-gasp long-shot play after the incident in the NMSU game. The post here seemed to be implying that the seizure was impacting his coaching throughout the game beforehand, which is silly.

Either way, it's a fairly pointless discussion now. He's not stepping down nor will he be asked to. But the negativity and medical expertise is appreciated I'm sure.
 

I thought Minnesota was down by 7 points late in the fourth quarter and still had possession. I believe the next play after Kill was taken off the field was the Gophers last chance and they failed to convert or score.

Yep, that 4th and 10 woulda been a gimme if only Kill didn't have a seizure. The quarterbacks were a stellar 18 for 40 with two picks that day...really dialed in.
 

I just wondered whether or not his condition affected the outcome of 2 games on days he had a seizure. It is a reasonable question. It is as scientific as it gets. It has no prejudice or bias in itself. And, yes, I do have a sense of curiosity about whether it did or didn't.

Bless your heart for looking after Jerry and your dad.
All those bad throws the Gophers QB made late in the game would definitely have been on target had that darn seizure not been brewing in Coach Kill.
 

If you watch the Jerry Kill Press conf from last week you can see and hear a tired Jerry Kill.
 

Cognitive loss is associated with IGE. Does the poster with the Mayo Neurologist connection want to comment on that other than trying to belittle the question or the questioner.
 




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