Jerry Kill Legacy Thread

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I wanted to start this thread so I can travel back in time (in the future) to the day that Kill signed his first contract.

I want you to tell me today what you think Kill's ultimate legacy will be.

This way we'll forever be able to laud the prescient and ridicule the fools.

You choices - It's not a "grade" score, it's multiple choice:

A - Kill is the right choice, and he will ultimately lead us to the Rose Bowl (major BCS bowl) or better (National Championship).
B - Kill will return the Gophers to the mediocrity of the Glen Mason era - no better, no worse.
C - Kill joins the pantheon of failed coaches - back to the drawing board.

I'll go first. I'm buying it, I'm picking A

[Edit - No pissy comments, and mud slinging on each other. Make your bed, and sleep in it.]
 

I'm going with A. The safe bet would probably be better than B but not quite A (and I'm more than good with that, considering the starting point).
 


Good thread. One to look back on for sure.

B. At best.
 

Yeah, better than B, worse than A. If I had to get specific, he'll retire for health and family reasons shortly after he brings the team to Mason 2002/2003 levels. Maybe a loss in the B1G championship game or two.
 



C+ The race to the bottom this year will be hard to climb out of. If he can keep the team together after the season will be the telling factor of his future success. If the team stays together and works hard off season -- B-.
 

I like Jerry Kill. But it will be "B". And he'll be let go after his 5th year.
 

I'm going B-. Best year 4-4 in the B1G
 



B and C are virtually the same. I think it will be one or the other, therefore I hope it will be "C", so we start over sooner rather than later.
 


I'll be shocked if MN wins more than 5 regular season B10 games in the next 10 years.

So my answer would be between B and C, but leaning towards B

Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, OSU, PSU, Nebraska, and MSU are all better programs and probably will mostly be so over the next decade. Maybe MN can compete with Indiana, Illinois (probably not), Purdue for the bottom middle, but who do you really see the Gophers jumping over in the next 5 years or so to get up to the A answer? I am not ripping Kill in any way, just saying that there is a very steep hill to climb there...
 

gopherbadgerman said:
I'll be shocked if MN wins more than 5 regular season B10 games in the next 10 years.

So my answer would be between B and C, but leaning towards B

Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, OSU, PSU, Nebraska, and MSU are all better programs and probably will mostly be so over the next decade. Maybe MN can compete with Indiana, Illinois (probably not), Purdue for the bottom middle, but who do you really see the Gophers jumping over in the next 5 years or so to get up to the A answer? I am not ripping Kill in any way, just saying that there is a very steep hill to climb there...
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......all very true, unfortunately. I'll give him a solid B+ if we can get the Mason wins without the 4th quarter disasters.
 



Your wording for B is very bad. Because B is actually pretty much what we can hope to achieve at the University of Minnesota. It is pretty much a positive place to be considering that Ohio State, Michigan, PSU, Nebraska, wisky, iowa and MSU are also in this conference.

Today we are in sole possession of 6th place in our division. We have Michigan, Nebraska, MSU, iowa and Northwestern to leap-frog to advance to the Big Ten Championship game. Every year we will play wisky and two other teams from the other division. Some years that might mean playing Ohio State and PSU. It is totally unrealistic to say that the B choice is a BAD situation for Golden Gopher Football. By achieving the B choice, the program will be competetive. IF the program can achieve being competetive, anything and EVERYTHING is possible.

I think if Coach Kill and his staff can build a program that is competetive in our division in Big Ten play...that will be INCREDIBLE.

Anyone who says that is not good is totally out to lunch and is not reality based.

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I said what I think the way that it needs to be said and it stands with all other comments OTHER posters make. You are basically out of line here unregistered wild animal with a keyboard poster...

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I think in 7-10 years time Kill will lead us to near Mason era seasons. 7-5 with insight/outback bowls with the tops being 9-3 and Capital One Bowl berth... perhaps not a Rose Bowl but maybe in 12 years his leadership and culture change will get us a Rose Bowl berth.
 

B/B-. They won't be spectacular, but they won't be a total embarrassment to the state.
 

EG#9 said:
B and C are virtually the same. I think it will be one or the other, therefore I hope it will be "C", so we start over sooner rather than later.
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I don't understand that rationale. Wouldn't "middling Big Ten team" be a more preferable job for a new coach to take over than "godawful run-down BCS squad that just fired its third coach in the past decade?"

You'd pretty much have to wait the same amount of time for a winner either way - more seasons for Kill on one hand, more seasons spent climbing out of the ever-deepening hole on the other. Given the choice between the two, I'd rather take the one that had us playing in at least some kind of bowl game.
 

B+, lead us to a BCS bowl, not necessarily the Rose Bowl but that would sure be nice!
 

BBQ Platypus said:
I don't understand that rationale. Wouldn't "middling Big Ten team" be a more preferable job for a new coach to take over than "godawful run-down BCS squad that just fired its third coach in the past decade?"

You'd pretty much have to wait the same amount of time for a winner either way - more seasons for Kill on one hand, more seasons spent climbing out of the ever-deepening hole on the other. Given the choice between the two, I'd rather take the one that had us playing in at least some kind of bowl game.
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I don't want to wait around at 3-5 in the Big Ten for 5-6 years, when we could move on after 3 years of 0-2 wins a season. They both are failures, and I am not sure it takes more time to get to where we want to go (contending for titles) from the later. Once I know a coach does not possess the ability to move beyond a certain point of mediocrity, I want to move on. If the AD was going to be tough and move on quickly like he did with Brewster after a couple of those "bowl games", then I'd obviously choose option B. My fear is that option B means 5-6 years and I really, really don't want to go down that path.
 

Gopher028 said:
I think in 7-10 years time Kill will lead us to near Mason era seasons. 7-5 with insight/outback bowls with the tops being 9-3 and Capital One Bowl berth... perhaps not a Rose Bowl but maybe in 12 years his leadership and culture change will get us a Rose Bowl berth.
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What program has EVER taken that long to get to such a minimum level of competitiveness? You do realize that Brewster was at "Mason Era" seasons in years 2 and 3 right? Even with the ridiculously low standards at the University of Minnesota, there will need to be a .500 conference record within 4-5 years.
 

eg9: the unregistered wild animal with the keyboard sure as hell doesn't want YOU to be discussing and adding diddly squat. By the way: you are totally wrong...

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Between B and A. Kill will be/do better than Mason but I don't think he'll make a BCS or Big Ten Championship game, he might, but I think it would be a one year thing and I think it's about a 20 to 30% chance. So I'm saying there's a chance and I'll keep the positiveness and belief.
 

A slightly worse version of mason. We get back to respectability. We go to bowls but never win 10 games.
 

C. No offense to the man who no doubt is a great coach, but Jerry Kill is not the one single ingreedient that propels us to overcome 50 years of futility
 

EG#9 said:
What program has EVER taken that long to get to such a minimum level of competitiveness? You do realize that Brewster was at "Mason Era" seasons in years 2 and 3 right? Even with the ridiculously low standards at the University of Minnesota, there will need to be a .500 conference record within 4-5 years.
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Brew was never near Mason type years. He had one good year, 2008 (lots of Juco's), that's it. To clarify, what I meant to say was by year 7 we could be Capital One Bowl quality rather than consistently insight bowl, but probably Tempe within 4 years? Hopefully.... about 7-12 for a Rose Bowl.
 

B+. If Coach Kill can get the Gophers to consistent .500 BIG seasons with a BCS bowl once every five to seven years, he will be considered a miracle worker. Its been decades since the Gophers can say that.
 

A-. Kill will get us to a better place then Mason and then pass the program over to a new coach walking into a great situation. Even if he does fail on the field, the next coach will be in a better spot.
 

Probably B. He'll build up a good group of players, but that one "star", a player who has the capability to elevate the program almost on his own, just never emerges.
 

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