Jeff Goodman on Pitino and Miles: Each had a really tough gig in BT, and now look at each spot. Those guys did as much as they could at those spots.

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You are correct. The sanctions from the academic scandal were a death knell for the program that they have not yet recovered from. That left an entire generation of high school kids seeing a team that was usually mediocre, with an occasional year where they did well. So they didn’t experience Williams Arena at its most electric, and they decided to go elsewhere, often the the Sconnies.

A death knell? A decade? Probation was for 4 years and they made the NIT 3 of those 4 years. Then they made the NCAA tournament 2 years after the sanctions ended. They also landed two of the highest rated recruits in Gopher history during those years in Rickert and Humphries.

The only death knell in this program is continuing to hire bad coaches. Now we have a coach who won't use all of our scholarships, and just making the NIT seems like a pipe dream. Yet Monson accomplished that in year 2, the first year he was eligible for the postseason, with a forced reduction in scholarships.
 

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I don't think there's a question that some places are tougher to win at than others. You don't have to look any further than Nebraska. Hoiberg was almost immediately successful at Iowa State, and he can't get out of the mud in Lincoln. Sure, some of it is the heritage/history of the programs and their winning or losing traditions, but there has to be more to this than that. Fred hasn't become hapless overnight, but here sits the Huskers in the cellar with no indication they're going anywhere. One way or another, it does seem like the Gophers have likewise become the new Northwestern, at least for now.
 

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I don't think there's a question that some places are tougher to win at than others. You don't have to look any further than Nebraska. Hoiberg was almost immediately successful at Iowa State, and he can't get out of the mud in Lincoln. Sure, some of it is the heritage/history of the programs and their winning or losing traditions, but there has to be more to this than that. Fred hasn't become hapless overnight, but here sits the Huskers in the cellar with no indication they're going anywhere. One way or another, it does seem like the Gophers have likewise become the new Northwestern, at least for now.

Absolutely correct.

As it pertains to sports, I've never liked the obsession with pointing out a losing team/franchise is "trying hard". In recent Gophers history, we seem to applaud diving indiscriminately on the floor as almost a watershed moment. Even our assistant coach felt the need to tweet about it recently. Leading the league in butt slaps and floor burns doesn't translate to wins necessarily but generally is referenced by teams that have fallen into the abyss. Right now we are the new Northwestern and frankly act like it. Hopefully we can find our way back up the mountain at some point.
 

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You are correct. The sanctions from the academic scandal were a death knell for the program that they have not yet recovered from. That left an entire generation of high school kids seeing a team that was usually mediocre, with an occasional year where they did well. So they didn’t experience Williams Arena at its most electric, and they decided to go elsewhere, often the the Sconnies.
I always thought those kids were drawn to Wisconsin because their coach reminded then of their favorite villain in how the grinch stole Christmas when they were growing up.
 




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