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60's Guy said:
Okay, yes, Glen Mason did win 10 twice overall. He won 10 at Kansas.

Glen was under 500 overall at Kansas. He was 16 under 500 in conference play.
At Minnesota Mason was 16 under 500 in conference play. He introduced me
to schools I had never heard of or didn't realize they had football programs in the non conference schedule. He finished a smidge over 500 overall at Minnesota.

Jerry Kill was 9 and 2 twice and 36-14 in conference at Saginaw Valley.
He was won 10 twice at So. Il...he won 12 once and was 9 and 4 twice.
55-32 overall and 30-18 in conference.

At No Il he won 10 once in his third and final year. He was 18-6 in conference.

At Minnesota both coaches started nearly identical in their first two years.
Glen went 8-4 in season three but followed that up with 6 and 6 and 4 and 7 the
fourth and fifth seasons.

The Gophers need a miracle to go 8 and 4 this season. 7 and 6 is possible.
But I am confident they will absolutely be better than 10 and 13 the next two years.
(the 4th and 5th years) The Gophers are definitely better this year than last year.
They played better at Michigan than they did vs Iowa.

The starting line is not the same. Kill's task was/is more difficult. The conference
schedule is not the same. The present conference schedule is brutal. We are getting better. We are at a high point on the graph.... most people just can't see it.
We will be good next year but we play a brutal schedule.

What do we have? One senior starter on an offense that would almost be impossible not to improve? Defense we lose a couple very solid players but we have a huge group returning. We need the third recruiting class.
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60's person: I am strongly supporting Coach Kill. Still, I fear that your confidence that my Golden Gophers will be better than 10 and 13 the next two years (the 4th and 5th years) is not such a "given thing...." I think the team will be better, but, the schedule will, indeed be brutal. Maybe Coach will make your prediction, maybe he will not. I most certainly hope he does. There are NO given's in this life time. Nothing is certain. Let's play the games and see how we do.

I was a fan of Coach Mason. I am a fan of Coach Kill. I wish BOTH of them the very best and am thankful for what each of them has brought to My Golden Gopher Football Team. I will believe only what I see. I hope for the best in the future, but NOTHING is a given.

"Show Me..." That is the way I approach my Big Ten Football. "Show me..." Conference wins help. Conference losses hurt.
 

60's Guy said:
Kill's task was/is more difficult. The conference
schedule is not the same. The present conference schedule is brutal. We are getting better. We are at a high point on the graph.... most people just can't see it.
We will be good next year but we play a brutal schedule.
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I don't get this. It is always said as a given without proof. The conference schedule is no tougher than it has ever been. Wisky was a regular top 10 team for much of Mason's tenure (save a couple years in the middle), but not nearly as dominant on a national scale the last couple years. Iowa was a frequent top 10 team for the second half of Mason's and most of Brewster's tenure, now obviously far from that. Michigan is better than in Brew's tenure but still not nearly what they were through most of Mason's. Purdue is horrible now, but were strong through all of Mason's tenure. Northwestern is improved. Illinois, Indy, MSU and PSU are about the same. OSU is OSU. Nebraska is new but they aren't anything more than another upper-mid pack team.

If you look at Sagarin strength of schedule since Mason, on average it comes out about even.

The 2014-15 schedules are not "scary," they're an average B1G schedule which includes a decent OOC opponent (TCU) and a rotation with OSU. Which is also going to be less frequent than before the divisional split.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I listed to the show briefly today on my way back home from visiting family. I know they are just doing it to created controversy, but I am amazed how they take a few comments from his twitter page from Gopher fans and bunches everyone in that group. He posted something Saturday about how much more Indiana has improved in year 3 over the Gophers. A few disagreed with him, one even said well will beat Indiana by 10 easily. Of course most fans think we will struggle with Indiana yet he went off like all Gopher fans believed it was an easy win. He has over 11,000 followers on his twitter page and 3 or 4 disagree, so that means everyone does? Could it be possible that there were a lot of Gopher fans who agreed with him, therefore didn't feel they had to respond?

Souhan then went on to say that the Gophers are pretty much the only fan base in America to not relive past embarrassing moments, essentially saying we don't remember our "ineptness" of the past. We all know that is entirely false as we relive Michigan 03, Wisconsin 05, Texas Tech, Iowa 55-0 and others all the time. Of course, the examples he gave of fan bases who always relive bad moments were pro teams: Vikings and Bills. Couldn't name any college fan bases because he knows nothing about college football.

The last thing I heard before I turned it off was essentially those Gopher fans who disagreed with his article and think Kill should make the decision about his health and coaching are the ones being selfish. It still blows my mind how these guys don't get it. Asking the question about Kill's health was not the problem. Making assumptions was. Taking shots at the guy was. Most people believe it should be the decisions of Kill, his wife and family, doctors, and staff. That is not being selfish.

I know it's all about controversy but man are they really fishing for it.
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I don't get this at all. If anything, it's always been my impression that Gopher fans live their disappointment with a greater display of heartbreak than the other fan bases in town (except for maybe the Vikings).

I wish Souhan had expressed his points about Kill's health more professionally. It's hard to move forward when the biggest question surrounding the program is the coach's health situation, making his points valid.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I listed to the show briefly today on my way back home from visiting family. I know they are just doing it to created controversy, but I am amazed how they take a few comments from his twitter page from Gopher fans and bunches everyone in that group. He posted something Saturday about how much more Indiana has improved in year 3 over the Gophers. A few disagreed with him, one even said well will beat Indiana by 10 easily. Of course most fans think we will struggle with Indiana yet he went off like all Gopher fans believed it was an easy win. He has over 11,000 followers on his twitter page and 3 or 4 disagree, so that means everyone does? Could it be possible that there were a lot of Gopher fans who agreed with him, therefore didn't feel they had to respond?

Souhan then went on to say that the Gophers are pretty much the only fan base in America to not relive past embarrassing moments, essentially saying we don't remember our "ineptness" of the past. We all know that is entirely false as we relive Michigan 03, Wisconsin 05, Texas Tech, Iowa 55-0 and others all the time. Of course, the examples he gave of fan bases who always relive bad moments were pro teams: Vikings and Bills. Couldn't name any college fan bases because he knows nothing about college football.

The last thing I heard before I turned it off was essentially those Gopher fans who disagreed with his article and think Kill should make the decision about his health and coaching are the ones being selfish. It still blows my mind how these guys don't get it. Asking the question about Kill's health was not the problem. Making assumptions was. Taking shots at the guy was. Most people believe it should be the decisions of Kill, his wife and family, doctors, and staff. That is not being selfish.

I know it's all about controversy but man are they really fishing for it.
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This is standard playbook by all the talk show hacks in the Twin Cities media (maybe elsewhere too but I'm just going by my own reference point). The standard bearer of this is Barreiro. He will read one email and spend 20 minutes talking about how this represent all the Gophers/VIkings/Twins fans in the market.
 

If your program has sucked for 45 years, hiring someone with program ties is probably not the answer. We should hire someone that has absolutely no ties to the last 40 years of gopher football.
 


Rosemountian said:
If your program has sucked for 45 years, hiring someone with program ties is probably not the answer. We should hire someone that has absolutely no ties to the last 40 years of gopher football.
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agree 100%. my neighbor here in St. Paul, who grew up in Baltimore, recently asked me the often asked question: "why do Minnesotans so often lobby to re-cycle washed up coaches or hire former legends? why do I hear people begging for Tom Kelly, Bud Grant, Glen Mason, Flip Saunders, Tony Dungy, etc."? he honestly asked me this while our daughters were playing tennis. i laughed hard and asked him if that's something he actually observed on his own or was he just repeating something he heard some journalist mention. he said: "I observe this all the time in Minnesota, it's so glaring and unusual". I have a feeling that we're no different than any other State, but who knows?
 

imthewalrus said:
Really nice...but what is your point Bob_Loblaw?
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No point really. I didn't want to start a Mason thread based on some useless tidbit of info about Mason. But I thought it was mildly interesting, so I put it into this Mason thread (which is bound to degrade into nonsense anyway). It changes nothing for me in my opinion of Mason. He's the best coach we've had here in a long time but I am not a fan of retreads.
 

BreakTheGopherCurse said:
agree 100%. my neighbor here in St. Paul, who grew up in Baltimore, recently asked me the often asked question: "why do Minnesotans so often lobby to re-cycle washed up coaches or hire former legends? why do I hear people begging for Tom Kelly, Bud Grant, Glen Mason, Flip Saunders, Tony Dungy, etc."? he honestly asked me this while our daughters were playing tennis. i laughed hard and asked him if that's something he actually observed on his own or was he just repeating something he heard some journalist mention. he said: "I observe this all the time in Minnesota, it's so glaring and unusual". I have a feeling that we're no different than any other State, but who knows?
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I don't mind extremely succesful ones (Dungy), because the thought process is that we couldn't get these people except for the connection. We can't get Dungy anyways, but that's the thought process.

It's a completely different story with people that no one else would consider BUT us, they couldn't get a job EXCEPT us (Flip (there isn't another Big 10/GM job he could have landed, etc.).

There is a huge distinction between these kinds of situations, it seems lost on a lot of Minnesotans.
 

BreakTheGopherCurse said:
agree 100%. my neighbor here in St. Paul, who grew up in Baltimore, recently asked me the often asked question: "why do Minnesotans so often lobby to re-cycle washed up coaches or hire former legends? why do I hear people begging for Tom Kelly, Bud Grant, Glen Mason, Flip Saunders, Tony Dungy, etc."? he honestly asked me this while our daughters were playing tennis. i laughed hard and asked him if that's something he actually observed on his own or was he just repeating something he heard some journalist mention. he said: "I observe this all the time in Minnesota, it's so glaring and unusual". I have a feeling that we're no different than any other State, but who knows?
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It isn't. We are just hyper-sensitive about it.

If he thinks it only happens in Minnesota, then he's not much of an observer. Can't speak for Baltimore, though is does seem as every time the Orioles are in trouble they're screaming for a Ripken. It's understandable when it's coming from fans at a small city or a place that's watched their "stars" always take -off when they get a better offer. How about New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco though? They are always talking about bringing back a "local boy" or a former star.

"Former UCLA Bruin; 2-time Yankee skipper; played at St.John's; All-Pro for the Raiders; Warrior great; West Covina's own"? "BRING HM BACK!" It's almost constant. Are the Media just "making it local"? Or for the public, guys that have HAD success in the area come with name recognition making it easier to buy in?

Here, Sid keeps talking about former Coaches/Players because they're already contacts for him. They'll take his call in other words, and anything Sid does is ripe for hating.

The trouble is anyone who thinks that's native to this State only is a rube on a massive scale. Either being lead around like dog on a leash by the Media in town or just very ignorant.

Odd thing is that either way, proclaiming it as "only here" is like carrying a "I don't have a clue" sign around your neck.
 



Iceland12 said:
Odd thing is that either way, proclaiming it as "only here" is like carrying a "I don't have a clue" sign around your neck.
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As I stated the other day, the difference is that other places want retreads who were successful in the first place. Minnesotans want retreads who weren't even successful. They want them anyway because of the parochialism.
 

The real question is....

Glen Mason. Great human being? Or, Greatest human being ever?!
 

dpodoll68 said:
As I stated the other day, the difference is that other places want retreads who were successful in the first place. Minnesotans want retreads who weren't even successful. They want them anyway because of the parochialism.
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True. The parochialism displayed other places is usually for a more successful coach. The thing is here they are still asking for the most successful coach. Every one of the guys mentioned had more success here than their fellow coaches did. Kelly won two titles. Grant won an NFL Title and made it to 4 Super Bowls. Saunders is the only coach to have a winning record with the Wolves. Won over 50+ with them 3 times and with Detroit 3 other times. Coached 4 teams to the Conference Finals. Dungy got to the Super Bowl 3 times and won one of them.

Now throw-in lack of success in obtaining or keeping Free Agents and the absence of successful coaches clamoring for the job when the Gophers, Vikings or T-Wolves come calling and it all becomes pretty explainable. Maybe even rational.

Not as emotionally grabbing though as listening to Dubay, Barrerio, Reusse, Common, Shaver or your neighbor screaming about the "hicks and rubes around here".
 





Glen Mason has done a great job of restoring his image the past few years, locally anyway, by appearing on KFAN.
That doesn't change the fact he was a giant egomaniac jack ass, and honestly, his time has come and gone.
We either go with the up and comer assistant from a big program (something we no tried in a while around here) or we get a former successful coach with a few historical "issues" e.g. Bobby Petrino.
 


dpodoll68 said:
As I stated the other day, the difference is that other places want retreads who were successful in the first place. Minnesotans want retreads who weren't even successful. They want them anyway because of the parochialism.
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This basically nails it. Laker fans clamor for Phil Jackson to come back, but it's Phil freaking Jackson.
 

Iceland12 said:
It isn't. We are just hyper-sensitive about it.

If he thinks it only happens in Minnesota, then he's not much of an observer. Can't speak for Baltimore, though is does seem as every time the Orioles are in trouble they're screaming for a Ripken. It's understandable when it's coming from fans at a small city or a place that's watched their "stars" always take -off when they get a better offer. How about New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco though? They are always talking about bringing back a "local boy" or a former star.

"Former UCLA Bruin; 2-time Yankee skipper; played at St.John's; All-Pro for the Raiders; Warrior great; West Covina's own"? "BRING HM BACK!" It's almost constant. Are the Media just "making it local"? Or for the public, guys that have HAD success in the area come with name recognition making it easier to buy in?

Here, Sid keeps talking about former Coaches/Players because they're already contacts for him. They'll take his call in other words, and anything Sid does is ripe for hating.

The trouble is anyone who thinks that's native to this State only is a rube on a massive scale. Either being lead around like dog on a leash by the Media in town or just very ignorant.

Odd thing is that either way, proclaiming it as "only here" is like carrying a "I don't have a clue" sign around your neck.
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Earlier this year, I heard an Iowa fan say they should bring back Hayden Fry as their head coach. Fry is 84 years old.
 

edma0012 said:
Glen Mason has done a great job of restoring his image the past few years, locally anyway, by appearing on KFAN.
That doesn't change the fact he was a giant egomaniac jack ass, and honestly, his time has come and gone.
We either go with the up and comer assistant from a big program (something we no tried in a while around here) or we get a former successful coach with a few historical "issues" e.g. Bobby Petrino.
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Yes, he does run some intense practices:

http://static.foxsports.com/content...lash-10AM-JW-PI_20120404122053677_660_320.JPG
 

imthewalrus said:
60's person: I am strongly supporting Coach Kill. Still, I fear that your confidence that my Golden Gophers will be better than 10 and 13 the next two years (the 4th and 5th years) is not such a "given thing...." I think the team will be better, but, the schedule will, indeed be brutal. Maybe Coach will make your prediction, maybe he will not. I most certainly hope he does. There are NO given's in this life time. Nothing is certain. Let's play the games and see how we do.

I was a fan of Coach Mason. I am a fan of Coach Kill. I wish BOTH of them the very best and am thankful for what each of them has brought to My Golden Gopher Football Team. I will believe only what I see. I hope for the best in the future, but NOTHING is a given.

"Show Me..." That is the way I approach my Big Ten Football. "Show me..." Conference wins help. Conference losses hurt.
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Hard to see the Gophers winning even one conference game this year or more than two next year. Brutal schedule, as you say.
 


Hates Monikers said:
Then they'll move on to #2. Patterson reportedly turned down $2 million from us before Brewster was hired. Since then, TCU has played in the Rose Bowl and moved into the Big 12.
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I heard that, too. If true, the Brewster hire was even more idiotic than it appears.
 

ebigelow: What's with your :clap: :clap: clap crap?

e.bigelow said:
HAHAHAHA! Thanks for that! Made my day! :clap: :clap: :clap: :)
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You think winning Conference games in the Big Ten/B1G is so damn easy it's a big joke? You think just any old coach can just snap his fingers and get it done? You think you can "clap on a Conference win any time you want? I think it's time to clap off with that kind of thinking e bigelow...it's just not happening. Just ask that Brewster or even ask Coach Kill and his Staff how easy it must have been for Caoch Mason...Coach Stoll...Coach Warmath. And they ALL got forced out of coaching jobs at the U of M. Brewster didn't even make it through his last season before he was "clapped off..."

So, the next time you are just "clap...clap...clapping your way to trying to heap crap on someone who turned out All-American Players, All-Big Ten Players, and did a LOT to isnure the U of M would move out of the damn dome and back to their own beautiful campus stadium you need to start having a little more appreciation for how difficult the job at the U of M is.

I'll certainly applaud Coach Kill and his Staff if they can coach my Gophers to a Conference win or two this year...but...Conference wins do NOT grow on trees e.bigelow. It really isn't a very funny subject. My Golden Gopher Football Program is having some serious difficulties during this 2013 Season.

Beat NU Gophers!
 

Unregistered User said:
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/0F2QeKP.jpg" width="25%" height="25%">
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LARGEST DEFICIT OVERCOME TO WIN - BOWL GAMES
31—Texas Tech (44) vs. Minnesota (41) (ot) (Insight, 2006) (trailed 38-7 in 3rd quarter)
30—Marshall (64) vs. East Carolina (61) (2 ot) (GMAC, 2001) (trailed 38-8 at half)
25—Georgia (28) vs. Purdue (25) (ot) (Outback, 2000) (trailed 25-0 in 2nd quarter)
24—North Carolina St. (38) vs. Minnesota (30) (Micronpc.com, 2000) (trailed 24-0
in 2nd quarter)

I wonder how many bowl games have been played in the history of the sport?
 

Quote Originally Posted by e.bigelow
HAHAHAHA! Thanks for that! Made my day! :clap::clap::clap::)
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imthewalrus said:
You think winning Conference games in the Big Ten/B1G is so damn easy it's a big joke? You think just any old coach can just snap his fingers and get it done? You think you can "clap on a Conference win any time you want? I think it's time to clap off with that kind of thinking e bigelow...it's just not happening. Just ask that Brewster or even ask Coach Kill and his Staff how easy it must have been for Caoch Mason...Coach Stoll...Coach Warmath. And they ALL got forced out of coaching jobs at the U of M. Brewster didn't even make it through his last season before he was "clapped off..."

So, the next time you are just "clap...clap...clapping your way to trying to heap crap on someone who turned out All-American Players, All-Big Ten Players, and did a LOT to isnure the U of M would move out of the damn dome and back to their own beautiful campus stadium you need to start having a little more appreciation for how difficult the job at the U of M is.

I'll certainly applaud Coach Kill and his Staff if they can coach my Gophers to a Conference win or two this year...but...Conference wins do NOT grow on trees e.bigelow. It really isn't a very funny subject. My Golden Gopher Football Program is having some serious difficulties during this 2013 Season.

Beat NU Gophers!
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I agree with you wren - getting the clap from e.bigelow isn't very funny!
 


imthewalrus said:
You think winning Conference games in the Big Ten/B1G is so damn easy it's a big joke? You think just any old coach can just snap his fingers and get it done? You think you can "clap on a Conference win any time you want? I think it's time to clap off with that kind of thinking e bigelow...it's just not happening. Just ask that Brewster or even ask Coach Kill and his Staff how easy it must have been for Caoch Mason...Coach Stoll...Coach Warmath. And they ALL got forced out of coaching jobs at the U of M. Brewster didn't even make it through his last season before he was "clapped off..."

So, the next time you are just "clap...clap...clapping your way to trying to heap crap on someone who turned out All-American Players, All-Big Ten Players, and did a LOT to isnure the U of M would move out of the damn dome and back to their own beautiful campus stadium you need to start having a little more appreciation for how difficult the job at the U of M is.

I'll certainly applaud Coach Kill and his Staff if they can coach my Gophers to a Conference win or two this year...but...Conference wins do NOT grow on trees e.bigelow. It really isn't a very funny subject. My Golden Gopher Football Program is having some serious difficulties during this 2013 Season.

Beat NU Gophers!
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So.....

Glen Mason. Great human being? Or, greatest human being ever?!
 


Maximus said:
LARGEST DEFICIT OVERCOME TO WIN - BOWL GAMES
31—Texas Tech (44) vs. Minnesota (41) (ot) (Insight, 2006) (trailed 38-7 in 3rd quarter)
30—Marshall (64) vs. East Carolina (61) (2 ot) (GMAC, 2001) (trailed 38-8 at half)
25—Georgia (28) vs. Purdue (25) (ot) (Outback, 2000) (trailed 25-0 in 2nd quarter)
24—North Carolina St. (38) vs. Minnesota (30) (Micronpc.com, 2000) (trailed 24-0
in 2nd quarter)

I wonder how many bowl games have been played in the history of the sport?
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I always suspected that Mason threw the Texas Tech game because he was pissed about losing the record.
 


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