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Well, FOT and others certainly turned this thread into a heaping pile of manure.
 

jeeeze.........those who think tradition means anything going forward? Our "LONg AGO" tradition verses OSU and Wisconsin is not resolvent to blue chip athletes. All the kids have seen Wisconsin on national TV beating good teams and competing. They have seen OSU dominate in all sports......that is all Blue Chip Athletes care about.

I have been very critical of maturi maybe he is not the full problem. Anyone who cant see that Wisconsin is trending better and even widening the GAP in all athletics than Minnesota really needs to start a new type of board call the ENC board (emperors new cloths board).....Has anyone been able to really look to see why such a large GAP exists?
 

Ski U Master said:
Well, FOT and others certainly turned this thread into a heaping pile of manure.
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Sorry but Gopher fans should DEMAND MORE from their sports teams. Their history is subpar. Minnesota has plenty of resources to do MUCH BETTER going forward.
 

imthewalrus said:
In the history of the football series with the stinking badgers, the numbers read like this:

Minnesota 59 wins

wisky 53 wins

there have been 8 ties.

NOW comes the BIGGIE friend of tubby:

In Basketball, Minnesota has 92 wins vs. wisky and 87 losses. Once again, Minnesota holds the head to head competition edge over the stinking wisky badgers.

That, of course is NOT to brag about how the Gophers have done. No, not at all friend of tubby. That is ONLY to let you know that you are making a BAD argument...a flawed argument...a failed argument. During that period of time, there were times when the Gophers had long runs of success against the stinking badgers and there have also been times when the stinking badgers have had long runs of success against the Gophers. But, in the end, the Gophers have beaten the stinking badgers MORE than the stinking badgers have beaten the Gophers.




Now, on to the bigger question: why hasn't our 2 million dollar plus man, Tubby done a LOT better in the Big Ten Conference than he has??????

THAT is the only concern right now. badger joel maturi overpaid for Tubby big time, it appears.

I like Tubby just fine and think he's a pretty decent coach. However, based upon what he has achieved here, he certainly is WAY over paid.

I would guess he can stay here in his over paid situation for pretty much as long as he wants. I certainly wouldn't automatically recommend that if Georgia Tech wants to offer to pay him more than Minnesota that Minnesota should automatically match their offer...up their offer and offer a long-term even MORE over-paid contract for a 500 Big Ten life-time record or less though. There truely IS a point of diminishing returns. The BARN still isn't selling out.

But, just remember those numbers about Minnesota VS wisky in football AND in basketball friend of tubby. Minnesota has a 59 to 53 advantage and they have tied 8 times out of 120 meetings since 1890. And in hoops, the advantage is 92 to 87 in favor of the Gophers over the stinking badgers starting in 1900.

*Thanks to Eric Thrall and his history of Minnesota Football & Basketball site!
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I am the walrus...You win the title of one of the dumbest homers I have ever seen. Do you really think Gopher Athletics is trending better than Wisconsin? I would swap programs tomorrow if such a thing were possible. Do you have any IDEA why the trends favor the badgers and OSU so heavily? Blue chippers want to go to a program that has a chance to win, where they can develop as players and humans. where they can stay in school, and get some positive national exposure .for some reason, Minnesota has a hard time meeting these objectives where Wisconsin has cracked the code. I wish we could crack that code.
 

millions2spare said:
jeeeze.........those who think tradition means anything going forward? Our "LONg AGO" tradition verses OSU and Wisconsin is not resolvent to blue chip athletes. All the kids have seen Wisconsin on national TV beating good teams and competing. They have seen OSU dominate in all sports......that is all Blue Chip Athletes care about.
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Not saying you are 100% wrong, but you have no idea if that is true or not. I doubt you were a blue chip recruit or that you have ever met one. Plus, Wisc. isn't getting a bunch of blue chippers.
 


Tickted.....I stand corrected and it is True about Wisconcin and the blue chippers. In football they probably get more of their fair share verses Minnesota.....however, that makes the case even even more questionable for looking for reasons why we cannot consistently win here verses wisconcin....
 

millions2spare: thanks for the nasty little shot you just had to insert...

I won't bother to tell you how you come off. I'll just tell you that you are trending SHARPLY lower... ; 0 ) But, that's beside the point.

I was describing the HISTORY of the rivalry. The history covers a LOT of ground. The history of this rivalry includes LOTS of trend lines...trend lines that were broken and reversed. Trends are just MEANT to be reversed and smashed. As bad as the trend has been recently in this rivalry, the Gophers STILL hold the overall advantage in BOTH hoops and football.

When, exactly will it change? How will it change? That is impossible to say. But, there are rumblings that are beginning to shake the very foundations of any kind of positive wisky trends. There are signs and signs of signs that tell us that the sun WILL shine again here in Minnesota Golden Gopher Land.


Now, OSU is OSU. However, don't you recall how a VERY successful Coach Cooper got run out of OSU because he COULDN'T beat Michigan????? Well, it seems as though the worm has turned and now Michigan has run off the only coach who won them a NC in the past half century ( Coach Carr) AND that rich rod character who won larger than life running a spread offense at West Virginia but totally failed to cover the spreads at Michigan as his corn/blue teams totally lost the ability to ever beat OSU...and in rich rod's case, too many other Big Ten Programs. TRENDS...TRENDS...TRENDS. They change. They end. The trend sometimes is your friend and it can sometimes be your enemy. But, in due time...trends end and courses reverse. Yes, Michigan does know about lower trends. It was a bad time for Carr at Michigan and a bad time for Michigan made cars. But, that trend just may be chaging/broken/ reversed. ; 0 )

But, I'll tell you one thing: that 28 year EXILE from the campus for Gopher Football has been smashed all to heck with the return to campus for GAME DAY SATURDAY. The disaster that maturi created with his failed experiment at going totally inexperienced while spending outlandish sums of money trying to rent "so called" experienced coordinators for the first two years and then just hiring any coordinator who he could dig up and recycling former badger coaches with brewball has been cramed down badger joel maturi's throat. The trend in football will be changing and it will happen in the not too distant future. Have you been in the new stadium???????????? It's an omen. A sign from the Heavens. The trendline is going to be on the rise for the Gophers vs the stinking badgers in football. And Tubby beats the stinking badgers every now and again too. That trend line is going to allow the Gophers to hang on to the all time advantage against wisky. Take that to the bank! ; 0 )
 

Wow....just opened this threat now. FOT got schooled.

Badgers much much better last 20 years....building great tradition right now....but look back at the origins of this post. In the 60's, 70's and early 80's the Badgers sucked at both sports.

Gophers overall tradition in football much greater.
 




I can say to you Xman....current recruits dont give a rats butt about the Gophers of the 30's and 40's.........it means NOTHING to a recruit in today's world.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Gophers have 2 B10 football titles since WW2 and 4 B10 basketball titles since The Barn opened in 1920's.

Wisconsin > Gophers in terms of football or basketball tradition.
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This is just idiotic FOT. One team has 6 national titles in football, the other has ZERO. As has been stated before, Wisconsin went nearly FIFTY years without a postseason basketball appearance.
 

millions2spare said:
I can say to you Xman....current recruits dont give a rats butt about the Gophers of the 30's and 40's.........it means NOTHING to a recruit in today's world.
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I agree with you. And it is a huge uphill battle to recruit against WI right now in FB. However, I was commenting on FOT's clueless rambles.
 

The basketball situation is tricky, because I think you'd take the talent on the roster at Minnesota over the talent on the roster at Wisconsin more often than you'd think over the last decade or so. The problem has been sanctions(I think I've made my position on that clear), attrition (Rickert, Humphries, Przybilla, in addition to White, Carter, Cobbs, etc), bad luck (Bauer injury was never the same, Nolen injury, etc) and some plain choke jobs such as losing all those close games last year and melting down at home aganinst Purdue and on the road at Northwestern and the ultimate choke...the Illinois game where all we had to do was get the ball past half court and we go to the tournament and perhaps the Monson error would have been the Monson era.


The record against Wisconsin has gone the right way recently, I think the Gophers beat them at Williams with Nolen or Joseph this year.

I do agree with the sentiments of the original post that it has to get better and Minnesota fans should demand much, much more.
 



Friend Of Tubby said:
Everyone is dodging the question. Gophers have 4 B10 basketball titles in 80+ years and 2 B10 football titles in 60+ years. The strong Gopher tradition is 100 years ago.
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No, you're dodging the question you brought up yourself. You keep pointing out the minnesota numbers. Not once have I seen you throw out Wisconsin numbers to prove they are better. You simply state because of our lack of success, they are better. Before 1990, please show me their success. Please.

What a tool.
 

WilliamsArenaGuy said:
No, you're dodging the question you brought up yourself. You keep pointing out the minnesota numbers. Not once have I seen you throw out Wisconsin numbers to prove they are better. You simply state because of our lack of success, they are better. Before 1990, please show me their success. Please.

What a tool.
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Actually, he referenced some numbers, but they were carefully tailored to support his opinion. For instance, he used different time frames for both football and basketball in an effort to make his stats viable. He didn't include the same time frame to both nor did he cover the overall numbers of either school. Instead, he used arbitrary time frames to support his view.
 

This is possibly one of the worst threads ever on GopherHole, and that's really saying something.

You can argue either side for basketball, but football is so lopsided historically in Minnesota's favor that it's not even up for debate. Nearly every statistic - all time wins, win/loss %, National titles, Big Ten titles, head-to-head records - favors Minnesota. The only one that doesn't is bowl records, which is essentially meaningless in the overall historical context because Wisconsin has the good fortune of being better in the post-1975 Big Ten multi-bowl era. Just a stupid, silly argument.
 

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why a Purdue fan who only cares about Gopher basketball because he met a guy once in a hotel lobby feels it necessary to stir the pot amongst Gopher and Badger fans.
 

SelectionSunday said:
I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why a Purdue fan who only cares about Gopher basketball because he met a guy once in a hotel lobby feels it necessary to stir the pot amongst Gopher and Badger fans.
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I'm not sure either, all I can attribute it to is his view that he's "setting us all straight" about how things really are. :confused:
 

MRJ said:
Actually, he referenced some numbers, but they were carefully tailored to support his opinion. For instance, he used different time frames for both football and basketball in an effort to make his stats viable. He didn't include the same time frame to both nor did he cover the overall numbers of either school. Instead, he used arbitrary time frames to support his view.
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I know. I read those after I posted this. When I posted this, it was because he had written the same thing about ten times and I didn't want to comtinue reading.
 

dpodoll68 said:
This is possibly one of the worst threads ever on GopherHole, and that's really saying something.

You can argue either side for basketball, but football is so lopsided historically in Minnesota's favor that it's not even up for debate. Nearly every statistic - all time wins, win/loss %, National titles, Big Ten titles, head-to-head records - favors Minnesota. The only one that doesn't is bowl records, which is essentially meaningless in the overall historical context because Wisconsin has the good fortune of being better in the post-1975 Big Ten multi-bowl era. Just a stupid, silly argument.
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The origianal point of this thread asks the question why Minnesota is so far behind wisconcin and OSU. It has nothing to do with who has more big ten titles,etc. Wisconsin IS trending much better than Minnesota and the GAP is getting wider. What can the U of M do to close that Gap and become relevent. The only Stat that counts is where we are today and where we are going tomorrow.

Some people have an agenda and hijack a thread. From what I can see the origial poster was asking some legitamte questions and somehow this got side tracked into a who has a better tradition thread wich i agree is a STUPID thread...........
 

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