Isaiah Ihnen has suffered another season-ending knee injury, the U said Monday.

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Gopherfan84 said:
Dude, I hear this from actual people who’ve coached in programs here. Can coaches ask for waivers? Yes. Do they automatically get approved here? No they don’t. TT or Houston would take a kid with a ACT score of 14/15 and 2.3 grade point average. That kid wouldn’t be a guarantee to get in here on a coaches waiver. Our admissions and compliance department are crazy here because they can’t get over the 98 academic scandal. I’m not wrong and I do know what I’m talking about. Get over yourself and choose to disagree and not believe me, but don’t tell me what I do and do not know
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Quite an unlevel playing field MN plays on. Again, administration has a huge impact on program success.
 

BarnBurner said:
Quite an unlevel playing field MN plays on. Again, administration has a huge impact on program success.
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They don’t make it easier, but here is where you and I agree. It doesn’t mean we can’t be or shouldn’t be. Every place as their parts of the job that make it hard. Winners still win. Luckily many programs don’t need to take anyone and recruit high level student athletes while still winning a lot of basketball games
 

Gopherfan84 said:
I hear this from actual people who’ve coached in programs here. Can coaches ask for waivers? Yes. Do they automatically get approved here? No they don’t. TT or Houston would take a kid with a ACT score of 14/15 and 2.3 grade point average. That kid wouldn’t be a guarantee to get in here on a coaches waiver.
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I said clearly in my post, Fleck and Johnson. Not Mason and Monson.

You’re talking about the latter two, with this waiver nonsense. There is no such thing, now.

Again, for posterity: Fleck and Johnson can get any kid who meets NCAA DI minimum standards admitted here. Fact.


I don’t even know if 2.3 and 14/15 meets NCAA DI minimum standards. Might not
 

So laughable that there have ever been kids who Fleck, Pitino, or Johnson offered scholarships, kid accepts, and then they’re like “Ohhhh …. darnit, you didn’t get admitted to the school …. shoot! Wish we coulda had you, oh well! Bummer!”


Time to stop derailing with this. You can have the last word if you want it.

Back to Ihnen’s injury.
 

Gophers_4life said:
I said clearly in my post, Fleck and Johnson. Not Mason and Monson.

You’re talking about the latter two, with this waiver nonsense. There is no such thing, now.
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Yes it was more stringent with that staff because of a variety of reasons. Our APR and grad rates are high right now and their is more flexibility.
Gophers_4life said:
Again, for posterity: Fleck and Johnson can get any kid who meets NCAA DI minimum standards admitted here. Fact.
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They can ask for a waiver. It’s not guaranteed they are admitted. This I’ve heard from coaching staff in many different programs. I choose to trust their words as facts. If you have some knowledge from others that is better than theirs please share.
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I don’t even know if 2.3 and 14/15 meets NCAA DI minimum standards. Might not
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It’s the bottom of the standard. I know this cause I’ve worked with D1 and D2 athletes. These are lower than admission requirements. Hence the waiver…
 


Gophers_4life said:
So laughable that there have ever been kids who Fleck, Pitino, or Johnson offered scholarships, kid accepts, and then they’re like “Ohhhh …. darnit, you didn’t get admitted to the school …. shoot! Wish we coulda had you, oh well! Bummer!”
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This doesn’t happen because our staffs are smart and do this homework beforehand on GPAs and ACT/SAT scores (if they’ve taken them). They recruit the whole player because they believe in program fit. There I’m done and again feel free to not believe me. I don’t care anymore but other posters/viewers deserve to read this side of it from a person who’s dealt with it.
 

NorCalGopher said:
Absolutely. I've had orthopedists tell me the same. Another aspect I forgot about before is muscle development in young and still growing athletes. Many doctors and therapists told me that overdeloped quads and undeveloped hamstrings play a role in knee ligament tears. It's why you see a lot of them in football players and girls soccer.

From experience, feel awful for Fox and Ihnen. It's very difficult emotionally at that age.
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You're contradicting yourself. In your response to me you imply that strength/muscular balance doesn't prevent ligament tears, now you say muscular imbalances play a role in ligament tears.

If muscular imbalances play a role in knee ligament tears (this is true), then training in a way that improves muscular balances will help prevent tears.
 

Gophers_4life said:
I said clearly in my post, Fleck and Johnson. Not Mason and Monson.

You’re talking about the latter two, with this waiver nonsense. There is no such thing, now.

Again, for posterity: Fleck and Johnson can get any kid who meets NCAA DI minimum standards admitted here. Fact.


I don’t even know if 2.3 and 14/15 meets NCAA DI minimum standards. Might not
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It was actually easier for Mason and Monson to get dumb kids in with the open program, that's been gone for 20 years. Also the person you quoted didn't mention so not sure why they're relevant, lets be real and to your point if Tony Rice can handle Notre Dame's version of Special Ed for a year, anyone can go anywhere.
 

Gophers_4life said:
So laughable that there have ever been kids who Fleck, Pitino, or Johnson offered scholarships, kid accepts, and then they’re like “Ohhhh …. darnit, you didn’t get admitted to the school …. shoot! Wish we coulda had you, oh well! Bummer!”


Time to stop derailing with this. You can have the last word if you want it.

Back to Ihnen’s injury.
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I know with Pitino they back off of Dain Daja because of academic concerns, think staffs just stop earlier in the process if there are red flags in that department
 



Regarding ACLs… I believe nutrition is a big factor in the increase of occurrence. Our diets have changed dramatically the last 50 years. Guys blew out their knees getting caved in on or an awkward collision or fall. But they didn’t happen without contact in a straight line like they do now.

The other thing are the studies of the increased incidence from playing one sport year around.
 

Keyser Söze said:
You're contradicting yourself. In your response to me you imply that strength/muscular balance doesn't prevent ligament tears, now you say muscular imbalances play a role in ligament tears.

If muscular imbalances play a role in knee ligament tears (this is true), then training in a way that improves muscular balances will help prevent tears.
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Your original post said that improved stability prevented ligament tears. That's going way beyond saying that correcting an imbalance will reduce the increased risk of tears. You're grasping in order to not be wrong.
 

In other words, athletes who have perfect balance and optimal stability are still going to have ligament tears. You can't prevent them. The word prevent was wrong.

Not mutually exclusively, an athlete who has imbalance has an increased risk of tears.
 

Fleckoff said:
I know with Pitino they back off of Dain Daja because of academic concerns, think staffs just stop earlier in the process if there are red flags in that department
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Pitino got several poor students in school here as well as poor characters.
 



WriterGoph said:
If you're talking academics, not sure that's actually true. Stanford is #6 in the US News rankings, the U of M is #68, while Houston is #179 and Texas Tech #213.
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It is 10 times easier here than Stanford and we are not 10 times more difficult than Houston or TT to get into. I agree that there are not many elite academic schools that are successful at sports. I consider us to be pretty much equal to UW but not academically elite . Suppose some of it is splitting hairs or bias. No big deal. Seldom that a recruit here for basketball has been turned away. Not a problem for Ben. He likes kids that are high on academics and character.
 

Gophers_4life said:
This all centers on strengthening muscles around and reducing knee pain related to the patellar and quadriceps tendons. Agree that this is great stuff for that, and probably a lot of it or similar is already done in the program.


As far as I (or I believe anyone) know, there is no possible exercise that can be done to strengthen the inner knee ligaments or help prevent their tearing.
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Have you studied this training method well enough to know that your statements are true? My understanding is that this is the absolute best method to use to prevent knee injuries, that is why I keep bringing it up. And it goes completely contrary to the methods used in most training programs, that is why I assume it is likely not being used.
 


GopherPete said:
Have you studied this training method well enough to know that your statements are true? My understanding is that this is the absolute best method to use to prevent knee injuries, that is why I keep bringing it up. And it goes completely contrary to the methods used in most training programs, that is why I assume it is likely not being used.
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I am not a doctor or a medical scientist, so you may choose to dismiss my lay opinion. That is just fine, I won't take it personal.

I've seen their stuff. Their big things are: Peterson squads (see: ), deep forward lunges, backwards sled pulls, and the laying "body curls" (Nordic curls/raise, see: https://powerliftingtechnique.com/glute-ham-raise-vs-nordic-curl/ ). The latter is obviously about strengthening hamstrings (speaks to the imbalance part), but all the others are focused on how the quads insert and straighten the leg about the knee. That, in my lay opinion, can only really address the patella and quad tendons. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure a lot of people have pain and/or weakness in those tendons. Like "jumper's knee"
 
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Gophers_4life said:
Your original post said that improved stability prevented ligament tears. That's going way beyond saying that correcting an imbalance will reduce the increased risk of tears. You're grasping in order to not be wrong.
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You're clearly projecting a bit, but strengthening and improving imbalances helps with stability. All of those things help prevent tears. If your joint isn't stable, it's more likely to be put in a position where the ligament will tear.
 

Best preventative for these injuries is curtail summer practices. Anyone know who got hurt this week?🤔
 

Fleckoff said:
Characters yes, students you're throwing shit at the wall and letting your Pitino hatred blind your judgment. https://gophersports.com/news/2020/1/7/mens-basketball-posts-record-numbers-in-the-classroom.aspx
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Can list several that were not good students before coming here and taking many easy classes. It is not impressive to me when you see what they actually studied. I do not need to list their names and throw them under the bus. People do not need to speak for me when it comes to Pitino. I do not do hate. Never disliked him. Just thought he was a terrible coach and not a impressive person. That is far from hate.
 

builtbadgers said:
Can list several that were not good students before coming here and taking many easy classes. It is not impressive to me when you see what they actually studied. I do not need to list their names and throw them under the bus. People do not need to speak for me when it comes to Pitino. I do not do hate. Never disliked him. Just thought he was a terrible coach and not a impressive person. That is far from hate.
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You have been caught lying about your disdain for rp , and now you continue to lie.
You never say boo about the other schools with questionable student stuff, and always always revert to slamming rp.
Pathetic.
 

Keyser Söze said:
All of those things help prevent tears.
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You'll obviously keep doubling down on your incorrect original phrasing of prevent, and pretend that you always meant another thing. Don't really care to continue this.

Will just state one last time for posterity: perfect stability can never prevent a ligament tear, as you claimed in your original post.

Keyser Söze said:
If your joint isn't stable, it's more likely to be put in a position where the ligament will tear.
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Sure. And that's not what you said in your post. If you had, then none of these posts would have happened. Don't think you'll take the L, here.
 


Gophers_4life said:
You'll obviously keep doubling down on your incorrect original phrasing of prevent, and pretend that you always meant another thing. Don't really care to continue this.

Will just state one last time for posterity: perfect stability can never prevent a ligament tear, as you claimed in your original post.


Sure. And that's not what you said in your post. If you had, then none of these posts would have happened. Don't think you'll take the L, here.
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Lol I don't even really understand what you're disagreeing with. These were my exact words:
Keyser Söze said:
Improved stability in/around your knee helps prevent torn ligaments regardless of the strength of the ligaments themselves.
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I never said that you can do certain exercises to make it impossible to tear a ligament (if that's even what you're implying), I only said that it HELPS to prevent tears, i.e., it reduces the chances of it happening. When people discuss the topic of injury prevention, they aren't talking about how you can make injuries impossible. They're talking about making them less likely. Improved stability in your joins absolutely does make it less likely that you will tear ligaments. Wasn't expecting pushback on such an obvious statement, but we can agree to disagree I guess.
 


Angry said:
Reggie got railroaded. It was at the height of the me too witch trails.
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I mean you could just say "I am wrong don't listen to me" and it would be about as effective.
 

builtbadgers said:
Can list several that were not good students before coming here and taking many easy classes. It is not impressive to me when you see what they actually studied. I do not need to list their names and throw them under the bus. People do not need to speak for me when it comes to Pitino. I do not do hate. Never disliked him. Just thought he was a terrible coach and not a impressive person. That is far from hate.
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Taking the L hard Built, just own your shit take and move on
 

FWIW - "Doogie" was on Skor North on Monday.

He said the Gophers have been looking at the portal for possible reinforcements for this season, but have not found anyone they think is able to contribute.

Doogie suggested that is one of the reasons behind Betts re-classifying.

take it for what you think it's worth.
 

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