Is the decision not to redshirt Wally Ellenson the right decision?

Is the decision not to redshirt Wally Ellenson the right decision?

  • Yes, we are going all in this year and we'll need Wally.

    Votes: 58 64.4%

  • No, I wish we could have redshirted him because he already missed so much time

    Votes: 32 35.6%
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    90
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Is the decision not to redshirt Wally Ellenson the right decision?
 

After watching Oto miss everything he shot...hard to argue with the decision. We have to have another shooter and if we have an injury to one our scorers , we could really be hurting. Hopefully he gets Oto's minutes in the rotation and starts to produce.
 

Keep Wally happy. We want his brother in a few years.
 

Every time Oto sets up to shoot I start looking to see if there are Gophers in good rebounding position.
 

I'm fine with it, it was only mop up time, but compared to Oto and Ingram, Wally doesn't look awkward, I think he can be solid in a reserve role and his junior year he could move into the starting lineup, depending on the recruits we land
 


GopherinPhilly said:
After watching Oto miss everything he shot...hard to argue with the decision. We have to have another shooter and if we have an injury to one our scorers , we could really be hurting. Hopefully he gets Oto's minutes in the rotation and starts to produce.
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Pretty much sums it up.

If Wally can shoot better than Oto Tubby would be crazy to not play him.
 

Ingram's done his job well this year ... sets screens, rebounds, takes charges. Ellenson doesn't play the same position or role, so that's a non-issue. As for Oto, it's also not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison. Yes, they're both supposed to be "shooters," but Oto's 6-8 and gets minutes at PF. Ellenson's a guard/SF. He won't be able to guard the guys Oto does, and vice versa.

I wonder if this decision is more about "insurance" ... i.e., get Ellenson some experience in case one of the wings goes down for a game or longer in Big Ten play.
 

WanderingGopher said:
Ingram's done his job well this year ... sets screens, rebounds, takes charges. Ellenson doesn't play the same position or role, so that's a non-issue. As for Oto, it's also not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison. Yes, they're both supposed to be "shooters," but Oto's 6-8 and gets minutes at PF. Ellenson's a guard/SF. He won't be able to guard the guys Oto does, and vice versa.

I wonder if this decision is more about "insurance" ... i.e., get Ellenson some experience in case one of the wings goes down for a game or longer in Big Ten play.
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Another reason to burn the redshirt. If he's forced into extended action for any reason I want him to be ready. Hopefully he gets a lot of minutes next game.
 

westcoastgopher11 said:
Pretty much sums it up.

If Wally can shoot better than Oto Tubby would be crazy to not play him.
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This is an "all in" year for the program. I'm good with the decision and think Wally could help. I doubt this would have been a hard decision at all if Wally hadn't been injured.
 



WanderingGopher said:
Ingram's done his job well this year ... sets screens, rebounds, takes charges. Ellenson doesn't play the same position or role, so that's a non-issue. As for Oto, it's also not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison. Yes, they're both supposed to be "shooters," but Oto's 6-8 and gets minutes at PF. Ellenson's a guard/SF. He won't be able to guard the guys Oto does, and vice versa.

I wonder if this decision is more about "insurance" ... i.e., get Ellenson some experience in case one of the wings goes down for a game or longer in Big Ten play.
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Totally agree with Wandering Gopher on Ingram... I think he has played well above expectations... i have no complaints at all on Ingram given the role he plays for this team
 

Don't agree with the wording on the 2 possible answers, but I have no issue with playing Wally this year. He has missed a lot of calendar time, but the overwhelming number of important games are yet to be played. He will be available for all 18 Big Ten games having missed the 3 big games in the Bahamas, at FSU, and at USC. Even if you consider the home game against Richmond a big game, Wally could still play in 18/24 (75%) of the important games on the schedule.

My hope is that this decision was made based on the way Wally has performed in practice since being cleared by the doctors. I have no doubt that he ( or him and his family) had a say in the matter. I believe John Thomas was the last Gopher who did not redshirt that a Gopher staff really wished they made a different decision on. Even in Thomas' case, he was a first round NBA pick so it was no lock he would have stayed for a 5th year.
 

If Wally wants to play this year, it may a good decision. We have not seen Wally at practice before and after his injury. If Wally has played well in practice, I can understand why they decided not to red shirt him. I just hope he receives reasonable minutes for the rest of the season or the decision will be questioned for the next 3+ years. I really like what I see in Wally and hope he contributes this year and the years ahead.
 

bga1 said:
This is an "all in" year for the program. I'm good with the decision and think Wally could help. I doubt this would have been a hard decision at all if Wally hadn't been injured.
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This definitely has an all-in feel because of how good the team could be. We gotta to remember though that the most important part of next year's squad are Big Mo and EE.

Ellenson shores up shooting woes for now, and i think he will make good (albeit limited) contributions to play this year. But that experience will be necessary down the line when our guard play is our strength.

I can understand Tubby wanting to develop Mo and EE, and he needs to up to a certain point for the sake of matchups. But when it comes to crunch time Mbakwe and Williams will be holding down 5/4.

Just keep getting the young guys minutes while supporting the stars and we'll be cruising this year.

Samething with Welch and Maverick. Their outside shooting got us out of a rut or two tonight and will have to do so going into the future.

Boys this squad is going places, grab some friends, and hold on tight.
 



WanderingGopher said:
Ingram's done his job well this year ... sets screens, rebounds, takes charges. Ellenson doesn't play the same position or role, so that's a non-issue. As for Oto, it's also not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison. Yes, they're both supposed to be "shooters," but Oto's 6-8 and gets minutes at PF. Ellenson's a guard/SF. He won't be able to guard the guys Oto does, and vice versa.

I wonder if this decision is more about "insurance" ... i.e., get Ellenson some experience in case one of the wings goes down for a game or longer in Big Ten play.
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I think Ellenson wanted to play, and the desire to get him some experience this year were the decision makers, I'm not sure how effective he will be in the B1G, he is not physical enough to play the 3 position yet.

I don't think you can play Ellenson and somebody like Austin Hollins at the same time, you would get eaten up on the boards and defensively in the middle. Coleman is pretty physical, not sure if Ellenson would bring that to the table yet.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
After watching Oto miss everything he shot...hard to argue with the decision. We have to have another shooter and if we have an injury to one our scorers , we could really be hurting. Hopefully he gets Oto's minutes in the rotation and starts to produce.
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Tubby gave Oto a lot of minutes tonight. Maybe reading too much into this, but it might have been his last chance against a lesser team to show he can do something out there...and he didn't. The guy got lost too many times on defense, committed a dumb foul, couldn't handle a pass near the basket for a scoring opportunity and missed every shot he took (I think) including shots that a decent DIII player would make. I just can't believe they gave this guy a scholarship. Where do they find these "players?" So back to Tubby - yeah, he needs reserves that can play some minutes, and Wally probably looks like a better option at this point.
 

If Wally wants to play, he should play. Pressuring him into a redshirt so he can transfer to Oregon or Colorado State in 2016 (while alienating his brother) doesn't do anyone any good.

And I agree with the idea that this is an 'all-in' year.
 

Why do either Oto or Ellenson have to play? There's no rule that says you must play 11 guys every game. We should be fine with a rotation of 8 or 9. The '97 team was. Neither Oto or Ellenson provide enough at this time to warrant serious playing time so why not red shirt him?

Can't Ellenson redshirt anyway if he plays in less than ten percent of our games or something?
 

LongLiveMilesTarver said:
Can't Ellenson redshirt anyway if he plays in less than ten percent of our games or something?
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I was thinking the same thing, but I looked it up and that rule is for MEDICAL or illness redshirt. (Can only play in first half of the season and not more than 20% of games overall). By playing at all, Ellenson is no longer eligible for a regular redshirt. Now if he were to get hurt again before we reach the midway point of the season, that's another story presumably.
 

WanderingGopher said:
I was thinking the same thing, but I looked it up and that rule is for MEDICAL or illness redshirt. (Can only play in first half of the season and not more than 20% of games overall). By playing at all, Ellenson is no longer eligible for a regular redshirt. Now if he were to get hurt again before we reach the midway point of the season, that's another story presumably.
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In that case I think he is being wasted. I'd rather have him contribute for four years rather than play sporadically this season. The red shirt did wonders for Damian Johnson.
 

I feel like I'm one of the only ones that doesn't like Wally Ellenson burning his redshirt. Don't get me wrong, I think the kid will be good, and it's great for the team...but I don't think it's the best thing for his development missing a few months of the season. It would be different if he wasn't injured, than he would have been practicing and playing, but now he's missed 2 months.

I just think Wally getting his full four years in would have been best for him...but I'm also guessing he wants to be part of this team, as we all hope it will be doing something special this year.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Tubby gave Oto a lot of minutes tonight. Maybe reading too much into this, but it might have been his last chance against a lesser team to show he can do something out there...and he didn't. The guy got lost too many times on defense, committed a dumb foul, couldn't handle a pass near the basket for a scoring opportunity and missed every shot he took (I think) including shots that a decent DIII player would make. I just can't believe they gave this guy a scholarship. Where do they find these "players?" So back to Tubby - yeah, he needs reserves that can play some minutes, and Wally probably looks like a better option at this point.
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Saul must have dug him up on a tour of Vodka distilleries in Eastern Europe...:eek:
 



Let's face it, Oto plays with zero confidence. He had about a half a dozen shots last night that Doctor Don could have made. He started out this year shooting a semi set shot from beyond the arc. Now he's back to a regular jump shot and he still couldn't put.the ball in the Atlantic ocean. He had another offense foul away from the ball foul last night. That is about his 5th or 6th this year of that type. When he was in last night the NDSU kid was beating him off the dribble. I feel bad for the kid, but Tubby had no choice. Oto gave Tubby no scoring, suspect defense, and rhyme killing fouls.
 

If the kid wants to play, let him play. Further proof though that Tubby wants/needs this year to be good.
 

If Wally and his family wanted him to play now, then I'm more than fine with not redshirting him. We won't even have to worry about this for 3 more years and by then we'll have Buggs, Ellis and a slew of other wings that will be returning after Wally graduates. I'm not sure we'll really even regret this decision because Tubby has been loading up on athletic wings in just about every class it seems like.
 


I can't believe people are questioning his strength - if he can jump 7'1" something is propelling him off the ground!
 

Any move that keeps me from having to watch Oto Osienecks(Sp? - who cares!) is a great move! Let's go Wally!!!
 

NurumbiCongo said:
Is this a joke?
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Somebody like Mich St's Dawson would score 30 points against him, he isn't going to be able to guard a physical 3 in the middle, how fast do you think it would take Izzo to isolate him and pound it down low if he was trying to cover a SF.
 

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