Is it time to admit PJ (and staff) can coach?

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Some guy said:
You’re flat out wrong at that. Half the coaches in the country would not have multiple 9 win seasons at MN
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OMG yes they would. Playing teams like Rutgers, Georgia southern, Rhode Island, Nevada, Purdue, etc.

combine the 9 win seasons with seasons below .500 and you’ve got what? Average.

Whatever. Doesn’t matter. If you’re ok with a decent season here, a shit season there, overall losing record against rivals, etc. that’s on you. Ask yourself why your expectations of Minnesota are so low. Are you saying Minnesota simply cannot do what Iowa and Wisconsin have done. If so why not?

This fucking forum is called 7 National Titles. Let’s just rename it “9 wins and a 30% win rate against Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan is our ceiling, and most years we’re ok with playing in the music city bowl as a measure of success”
 

Torres9 said:
Fair enough. I guess I’m saying we’ve seen PJs “best”. This is it. Whatever this is. I’m not ok with it, but others are. Fine.
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He is above average. In Minnesota cultures that’s the blessing and the curse. Like Lake Wobegon kids, “above average” is the panacea. Anyway, what I’m saying is that the will never be fired in MN for averaging 6-8 wins, yet being way below .500 in trophy games overall and not sniffing conference titles or the playoffs.
 

Torres9 said:
PJ has shown what he is. People will eventually have to accept it. He’s average. That’s it. Not awful but not capable of building a winning program.

What does “accept” mean to you? This is what you are ok with, fine. But for fucks sake don’t start crowing on here every time we beat 3 bad teams in a row.

He will always have 1 or 2 terrible losses per season (UNC and Rutgers this year) and more often than not lose to Wi, IA, Mi. 4 wins in 13

Northwestern (2), Wisconsin (2), Iowa (2), and Purdue all made a big ten title game.

Indi fucking ana already matched PJs best record by doing what PJ has never done. Beat Michigan.

I personally don’t believe Minny should settle for being average most years just because one year (one year) we were a whiff better than average.

We deserve better.
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He’s built a winning program at WMU and here. What are you talking about?
 

Torres9 said:
OMG yes they would. Playing teams like Rutgers, Georgia southern, Rhode Island, Nevada, Purdue, etc.

combine the 9 win seasons with seasons below .500 and you’ve got what? Average.
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How many teams in the power 4 have multiple 9 win seasons the past 5 years?
Torres9 said:
Whatever. Doesn’t matter. If you’re ok with a decent season here, a shit season there, overall losing record against rivals, etc. that’s on you. Ask yourself why your expectations of Minnesota are so low. Are you saying Minnesota simply cannot do what Iowa and Wisconsin have done. If so why not?
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That is a different question that we haven’t discussed
Torres9 said:
This fucking forum is called 7 National Titles. Let’s just rename it “9 wins and a 30% win rate against Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan is our ceiling, and most years we’re ok with playing in the music city bowl as a measure of success”
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You’ll have to take it up with the moderators. You may want to consider getting some help for your anger
 


Some guy said:
I agree he is what he is.
He isn’t average.
Average coach doesn’t go to a bowl game every year with Minnesota when programs like Nebraska never make a bowl
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80 teams go to bowls. Is 6-6 average to you?
 

PJ is slightly above mediocre with one really good season at Western Michigan and one really good season at the U; surrounded by years and years of mediocrity. For those of you that incessantly cite the nine win years those weren’t great they should mostly be remembered for lost opportunities. We went to one decent bowl game.

Even you knuckleheads have to admit that our bowl game streak is kind of BS because we’ve gone to some miserable bowls in PJs tenure most barely at best worth tuning into much less spending 1000 bucks ahead to go watch a person.

None of this gets you fired here, but it’s enough to make me wanna kick Coyle in the nuts.
 
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Gopherchase said:
PJ is slightly above mediocre with one really good season at Western Michigan and one really good season at the U; surrounded by years and years of mediocrity. For those of you that incessantly cite the nine win years those weren’t great they should mostly be remembered for last opportunities. We went to one decent bowl game.

Even you knuckleheads have to admit that our bowl game streak is kind of BS because we’ve gone to some miserable bowls in PJs tenure most barely at best worth tuning into much less spending 1000 bucks ahead to go watch a person.

None of this gets you fired here, but it’s enough to make me wanna kick Coyle in the nuts.
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He's paid about what he's worth at this point in my opinion. Whether he is average or slightly above average is kind of a silly argument. He gets paid the big bucks so he should be able to take the heat, by the way. I certainly hope he does enough to be paid much more in the future. In the end, I agree with you. He is the guy we have and there is no compelling reason to believe this program can trade up for a better coach.
 

I think right now it’s still a bit too soon to judge. So far (excluding covid year) he’s had 1 exceptional season, 2 above average seasons, and 3 average to bad seasons (his first 2 and 2023, all of which I think could have been worse for what they were). This year, depending on how things land, could end up as way above average if we win out (8-4 with three ranked wins on the season when starting out 2-3 would in my opinion be his best year of that, ‘21 and ‘22), still above average but below ‘21 and ‘22 if we go 1-1, and on the average end of average to bad if we lose out. I think after his 10th season we’ll have a good sense of how good he truly is.
 



ergopher said:
I think right now it’s still a bit too soon to judge. So far (excluding covid year) he’s had 1 exceptional season, 2 above average seasons, and 3 average to bad seasons (his first 2 and 2023, all of which I think could have been worse for what they were). This year, depending on how things land, could end up as way above average if we win out (8-4 with three ranked wins on the season when starting out 2-3 would in my opinion be his best year of that, ‘21 and ‘22), still above average but below ‘21 and ‘22 if we go 1-1, and on the average end of average to bad if we lose out. I think after his 10th season we’ll have a good sense of how good he truly is.
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Glen Mason lasted 10 seasons at Minnesota. The AD at the time made an impulsive decision, in my opinion anyway, to fire him after an epic collapse in a minor bowl game. Well, you probably know the rest... If you trust your AD to make a great hire then maybe. Otherwise, it's a roll of the dice on another coach at best.
 

GoForGold said:
Glen Mason lasted 10 seasons at Minnesota. The AD at the time made an impulsive decision, in my opinion anyway, to fire him after an epic collapse in a minor bowl game. Well, you probably know the rest... If you trust your AD to make a great hire then maybe. Otherwise, it's a roll of the dice on another coach at best.
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True. The other half of firing someone is hiring better.
 

PMWinSTP said:
80 teams go to bowls. Is 6-6 average to you?
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Would have to look at the teams but I would
Guess the average is a little under 7 wins regular season.

At some point fleck has to show that last year and this year are the floor not the ceiling. He probably needs to show that by the end of 2025 or 2026.
Last year was below average: this year is somewhere between average and above average. TBD. Lose out including the bowl, and this is below average too.
 

BTChamp said:
True. The other half of firing someone is hiring better.
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When you have more confidence in random hire having a 10 win season the next 3 than fleck, that’s when you make the move.

Right now, I think fleck is more likely to win 10 before 2026 than Random G5 coach or random P5 coordinator.
Definitely could get Cignetti. Could also get Purdue guy. Could get Florida guy. Could get Wisconsin guy.
 



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