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Would you rather have Minnesota’s 2018-2024 or Indiana’s?

I’d pick minnesotas 10/10 times

Minnesota
7-6
11-2 (10 in AP)
3-4
9-4
9-4
6-7
4-3

Indiana
5-7
8-5
6-2 (11)
2-10
4-8
3-9
7-0
2019 was great I could barely watch the fourth-quarter of the Auburn bowl game because I had tears in my eyes. The nine win seasons, not so much the games weren’t great and the ultimate outcome sucked considering our schedule and all the meat left on the bone.
 

Yes kind of
They went 6-2 and beat 1 team that had a winning record. That team was 3-3 in the regular season.
2020 wasn’t a real season.

I don’t think you’re an Indiana fan
It amazes me that there are still fans that want to view 2020 as a normal season. Even though there was nothing normal about what went on that year.
 


It amazes me that there are still fans that want to view 2020 as a normal season. Even though there was nothing normal about what went on that year.
MN fans don’t because we had a bad yearS. If we were 6-1 in 2020 people would not discount it.
 



MN fans don’t because we had a bad yearS. If we were 6-1 in 2020 people would not discount it.
That's a crock. 2020 was a clusterf%$k of a season for every team. The records that year truly don't matter because teams were playing under such odd circumstances, schedules were jacked up, rosters were jacked up, the whole thing was a mess.
 


People would definitely discount it.
Anyone who can see beyond just a W/L record when evaluating a season doesn't put any stock in 2020. Every team deserves a mulligan for that year, no matter what their record was.
 

We already have fans discounting Fleck’s 9+ win seasons for playing in a weak division, for missed opportunities, for relying on players he inherited, you know damn well they’d discount the COVID year as well.
 




It's fundamentally different because the loss was some what controllable. They could have won and gone undefeated.

Losing puts a team at the mercy of more tie-breakers. Sure that sucks, just not as bad.

In the 3 Undefeated scenario, one of the teams is going to get left out when they did all the could to get in the Title game (winning every Conference game). To me that is much worse.

On the other hand, if that team still gets to go to the NCAA Playoff and host a home game, then they are probably good with it. Rest up.
I agree. It doesn't matter having three undefeated teams as long as you still get all three into the playoff and it's very unlikely an undefeated B1G or SEC team gets left out. Non-P2 conferences better hope they never get left out. If one does, you can bet it only happens once and then the P2 will change the rules to allow three automatic qualifiers from the B1G & SEC.

The third place team can prove how good they are in the playoff. A lot of people argue it's better to finish #3 in a conference than #2 as long as you get in. The #2 team will have had to play an extra very tough game in the B1G championship. In the undefeated #3 scenario, it's also likely #2 gets a lower seed than #3 because they no longer have the aura of being undefeated so they also get a tougher first round game.
 

If MN went 6-1 in 2020 no one would discount it.
I would.

I also discount bad seasons in 2020.

2020 was fake. You could have a team lose guys on a Friday due to quarantine rules that they designed their whole game plan assuming they had.

2020 was fake. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know anything about football or is simply lying to themselves.
 





I would.

I also discount bad seasons in 2020.

2020 was fake. You could have a team lose guys on a Friday due to quarantine rules that they designed their whole game plan assuming they had.

2020 was fake. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know anything about football or is simply lying to themselves.
It amazes me how hung up some get in regards to those games. The games were played, the records count but trying to draw any meaningful conclusions from what happened during those 2020 games is just foolish.

No coach should be judged based on their record that season (good or bad). The games happened but it was such a messed up and unprecedented year for everyone involved.
 

That's a crock. 2020 was a clusterf%$k of a season for every team. The records that year truly don't matter because teams were playing under such odd circumstances, schedules were jacked up, rosters were jacked up, the whole thing was a mess.
It amazes me how hung up some get in regards to those games. The games were played, the records count but trying to draw any meaningful conclusions from what happened during those 2020 games is just foolish.

No coach should be judged based on their record that season (good or bad). The games happened but it was such a messed up and unprecedented year for everyone involved.
Agreed, there was no meaning to the 2020 season in terms of judging who had the best team. I don't see how you can say there was between the forfeits/cancellations and some games where they were playing 15-20 players short like MN did against NEB. Let's be honest, there were some people with contracts who wanted games played as there was a lot of money on the line. On top of that, there was a certain B1G commissioner just starting to negotiate what would become a blockbuster TV deal with that same group of people.
 
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If MN went 6-1 in 2020 no one would discount it.
Of course we would. It didn't count. That's why every player on every team got an additional year of eligibility.

But we would have been happy to go 6-1 in scrimmages.
 

To the Indiana fans, I would say, just enjoy the ride for all it's worth. I think if Cignetti makes the playoff then you are going to see how loyal he really is. I think with that type of success you going to have some big programs back the Cash truck up to his door at seasons end. For example, I think Hugh Freeze will be heading to the door at Auburn and don't be surprised if Mich & FSU are in the market if their debacles continues. Once they start to see top recruits decommit and you take into account the money involved the pressure really starts to mount. If teams like those want him, I don't see how Indiana has any chance to compete when it comes to money and resources. (Side note: if DeBoer slips too much at Bama don't be surprised if you hear rumblings as Cignetti did coach receivers/QBs for Saban back in the day)

It's not like the old days where college ADs will just sit and watch as the team slips too much, especially for fanbases with often unrealistic expectations. College football is trending to be more like the Pros every year. I don't think that guarantee of getting at least three years to build your team exists anymore.
 

Would you rather have Minnesota’s 2018-2024 or Indiana’s?

I’d pick minnesotas 10/10 times

Minnesota
7-6
11-2 (10 in AP)
3-4
9-4
9-4
6-7
4-3

Indiana
5-7
8-5
6-2 (11)
2-10
4-8
3-9
7-0
I’d take MN every time on this
 

That's a crock. 2020 was a clusterf%$k of a season for every team. The records that year truly don't matter because teams were playing under such odd circumstances, schedules were jacked up, rosters were jacked up, the whole thing was a mess.
I agree it was a cluster, but it still counts.
 



Will Cignetti still be around to coach in the bowl game or will he already be at FSU?
 

Will Cignetti still be around to coach in the bowl game or will he already be at FSU?
Will depend, as I think they could get in a bidding war with Auburn. Both programs have deep booster pockets.
 

I watched OSU today against NEB and if that's the level of play OSU brings to the IU game I think IU has a good chance of taking them. IU's last four games are against MSU, MICH, OSU & PUR. The only game they won't be favored is OSU. I think there's a legit chance now that IU could play ORE for the B1G Championship.
 

Would you rather have Minnesota’s 2018-2024 or Indiana’s?

I’d pick minnesotas 10/10 times

Minnesota
7-6
11-2 (10 in AP)
3-4
9-4
9-4
6-7
4-3

Indiana
5-7
8-5
6-2 (11)
2-10
4-8
3-9
7-0
If you had said 2023, you would win hands down.

But the point of the thread, we don't know how high they will go in 2024 yet ...

I think some Gopher fans would take some crappy seasons in exchange for a championship (if they do that this year ...)?
 

I agree. It doesn't matter having three undefeated teams as long as you still get all three into the playoff and it's very unlikely an undefeated B1G or SEC team gets left out. Non-P2 conferences better hope they never get left out. If one does, you can bet it only happens once and then the P2 will change the rules to allow three automatic qualifiers from the B1G & SEC.

The third place team can prove how good they are in the playoff. A lot of people argue it's better to finish #3 in a conference than #2 as long as you get in. The #2 team will have had to play an extra very tough game in the B1G championship. In the undefeated #3 scenario, it's also likely #2 gets a lower seed than #3 because they no longer have the aura of being undefeated so they also get a tougher first round game.
This is a great point about essentially that the conference championship game is pointless and serves no benefit other than giving TV an extra game to make some money on.

It would be like if the (let's say this year ... ) the Vikings and the Lions had to play an extra 18th game to officially crown the NFC North champion, before the playoffs started.
 

I watched OSU today against NEB and if that's the level of play OSU brings to the IU game I think IU has a good chance of taking them. IU's last four games are against MSU, MICH, OSU & PUR. The only game they won't be favored is OSU. I think there's a legit chance now that IU could play ORE for the B1G Championship.
Could have been a little bit of a trap game for Ohio State getting caught looking ahead to next week against Penn State.

As for Indiana they seem very likely to go at least 11-1 so their shot at playing for the Big Ten title will almost certainly be decided by their game against Ohio State in a few weeks (although Penn State could still factor into that mix as well).
 

Really happy for Hoosier Nation during this amazing season. I hope that Coach Ciggie stays for a long time and people keep googling him to see what he does.
One thing I am hoping a Hoosier fan who has been to a game this year can help me with, and that is whether there is any truth to the rumor that Memorial Stadium starting blasting Mellencamp's Rain On the Scarecrow before the team takes the field? He is their numero uno fan.
 

Indiana has a been a great story but I don't want to win if it means transferring an entire team in. Call me old school. On the other hand it is justice for losing Penix.
 




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