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This was posted on Miller's blog by a moniker realgopher


"After the Ohio State game Kirksey and the D Line was ticked that after a 51 to 10 loss they wanted the team to stay on the field to sing the school song so the D line along with a few other defensive players walked off the field into the locker room. Kirksey and Weber had words thus the comments Weber made about the incident publicly, Kirksey told Weber to shut up and threw is helmet.Kirksey got suspended which he should not have The D Line was ticked he did and it spilled out in practice all week leading into the MSU game."

If this is true, the team has no chance.

I am split on staying around to sing the old alma mater after that pasting. And then Weber broached the one cardinal rule that what goes on in here, stays in here. He is the Golden Boy and he goes public. I can only imagine the words exchanged between the two Captains I am surprised the entire team didn't throw their helmets at Adam. The Coaches have lost the team, thankfully there are only two games left. Hopefully, no one gets hurt.

My opinion of Adam Weber went down the final knotches with this. But he still gives us the best chance to win, what a load of ...... Everytime Horton utters that, I imagine helmets coming off ready to throw them at the coach.
 

I think Weber broke a cardinal rule, but to Kirksey and others, just sing the frickin' song.
 

Your being split on staying around for the alma mater has no bearing. Its the expectation of the team set by the coaches that is important. And, to the best of my knowledge, they are expected to hang around whether they like it or not.If I was a captain, your damn right I would get in any players face who did not meet that expectation. And Kirksey, being a captain, failed big time in his duty and Weber did the right thing by confronting him.

Based on what I have read, Kirksey deserved the suspension.
 

The whole singing after a loss is f'ing ridiculous. That said, if the team has to do it, then everyone should stay out there and do it.
 

EG#9 said:
The whole singing after a loss is f'ing ridiculous. That said, if the team has to do it, then everyone should stay out there and do it.
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Winning teams hang together. Kirksey was dead wrong. If I were coach he'd be done for the year and stripped of being a Captain. This team started the year in shambles. Glad Brew is gone x a million.

Next coach has a huge job ahead of him. There are a bunch of losing prima donnas that need to be taken down a notch.
 


Lets just have rules for what the team does if you win and different ones if you lose. Kirksey should have been punished. Being that the whole east side of the stadium saw what happened, what ever Weber said is no factor. I don't care if you are 1-100, if the policy is to sing the state song, win or lose after the game, you do it. If you don't want to follow the policy, get the hell out of here.
 

Kirksey was out of line and should have probably been suspended for much longer. He led a mutiny for the public to see and he basically showed his lack of respect, lack of discipline and lack of common sense. A rule is a rule. He wilfully and totally disrespectfully broke a rule. Throwing an object like that is a dangerous act. He might have seriously hurt someone.

So, husker70: that's what it's come to for you????? You would tolerate totally unacceptable behavior and mock the captain who stood up to the captain that led a mutiny?

It is obvious that macturi and prexy b's failed experiment with brewball was a total disaster in every regard. And it is obvious that you have landed on the side of chaos, disorder, disrespect and total lack of discipline.

It is good that there was a suspension. It probably should have been more severe. A football player without discipline does no one any good...certainly not his team.
 

This team has been split all year and that is a big part of 1-9

It's a split locker room you do not even have to be in there to see that. Players are not fools, they are not the coaches and take there marching orders but do not have to like it. Nobody is kidding anyone if they think Weber is a better captain than Kirksey just because Kirksey let his emotions get the best of him and Weber called him on it. Weber said F-off to the students and he did not get suspended because it happened during the game. Take a bet on who the majority in the locker room would have there back it would be Kirksey.
This season is the way it is because of the bad QB play and the split locker room, just as much as it is bad tackling and playing bad defense. That is why once this cancerous situation and this debacle year cannot be over fast enough. Brew was to loyal to a fault and he could have saved his own hide if he would have listened to his players body language and there effort, you cannot hide who they would rather play for and go to war with at QB and it certainly is not the glorified Captain. Kirksey may have been out of line but the golden boy could have let it go instead of talking about it publicly.
This dark cloud and negative of this season cannot go away soon enough so they can get back to work and be a team again.
 

I don't think the original post was necessarily condoning Kirksey's actions. The point being, there are some sacred rules about locker room etiquette. Kirksey got what the coach felt was the proper discipline. Weber should've left the comments about the incident up to the coaches. But what does this say about the dynamics of the locker room? Every player on a team doesn't have to like each other. No doubt arguments and scuffles will ensue over a season--esp. a losing one.

What's the solution? Better leadership? Players that are church mice? Hamburger Drill until someone says mercy???
 



Kirksey was wrong to leave the field but what Weber did was way worse in my opinion. He essentially threw his teammate under the bus. I think its becoming obvious that while Weber may be the coaches' QB he is not the team's QB.

Yes, he has been voted captain three years in a row but normally once your voted captain you will remain captain until you complete your eligibility. This is usually done because of familiarity.

I think Weber's actions are a result of Brewster and Co. essentially holding Weber above everyone else. Every other player on the team is held to the result of their performance on the field except for Weber it appears. I can only imagine the atmosphere in the locker with Weber prancing around like he just found the golden ticket.

This locker room will be better off once the Golden Boy has graduated and moved on to his next venture. This team will be just fine with either Marqeuis or Moses at QB.
 

What Kirksey wouldn't drink the koolaide. Personally more power to him. I agree with him 100%. When you are 1-whatever who gives a rip. They aren't 12 year old boy scouts.
 

Based upon what is written here, it sounds as though it is time to shut the football program down at the University of Minnesota for about five seasons. There is too much hate. There is too much poision. Take all the scholarships away from all players. This camp vs that camp is for losers.

The Gophers don't have an offensive line, running backs, receivers, quarterback, defensive line, linebackers, d-backs, special teams, kickers, coach, athletic director. After June of 2011 the University doesn't even have a prexy.

You people descirbe such a dysfunctional mess of a football program that the ONLY hope is to shut it down for five years, fumigate, and do a study to see if it is worth while to bother to EVER start it up again.

When chaos, disorder, lack of discipline and various "camps" start forming within the program and splits take over and begin to raise hell with team unity in a college program, it is time to shut that sucker down for a LONG time.
 

jovs, get outta here. You aren't a fan of the Gophers, its obvious. So WTF are you doing here?

cjcarter: Seriously? Just more proof that haters will look for ANYTHING to rip on a guy. Weber could probably have taken a different avenue about the incident but what he did was far from wrong.

gopherdudepart2: Wait. Did you just say that the reason we are 1-9 is because of QB play and split locker room? Nice how you threw defensive stuff right afterwards to justify your 'arguement' as soon as someone pointed out how false your statement is. QB play is far from the reason we are 1-9. Maybe a lack of a REAL run game (read: better play calling and better, bigger talent at the RB position) is a more legitimate excuse than QB play.

Good God, some of ya'll can't look at the sport objectively, can you?? I get that many of you hate Weber's play and want him to be benched. But to look for any more reasons outside of his play (which is mediocre, probably one of the few bright spots on this year's team) to validate your arguments against him is obviously biased.

In this situation, Kirksey is far more at fault than Weber is. Even though Web should have handled himself differently.
 



jovs said:
What Kirksey wouldn't drink the koolaide. Personally more power to him. I agree with him 100%. When you are 1-whatever who gives a rip. They aren't 12 year old boy scouts.
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Why have any rules then?
 

Could someone do us all a favor and find the "evidence" that Weber made this "public". The last thing I want to do is question the journalistic integrity of "realgopher". I'm chomping at the bit because the 128 things Weber gets ripped for are getting a little boring. We need fresh material!
 

Formo: Now these allegations may not be true. But, if they are Weber's actions show that he feels he is held in higher regard. Name one other player that would throw his teammate under the bus in a public forum like this. This should have been held as an internal matter. Successful teams create an atmosphere of family in the locker room and some players even feel the locker room is a haven to escape from the worries of everyday life. The locker room should be a place where players can be worry free. Those of you that played team sports know exactly what I'm talking about. Weber broke the biggest code (in my opinion) of team sports.
 

I have no problem with what Weber did. If you don't want to get called out don't act like an assclown.
 

Let's say that Weber isn't the one who says this stuff. Let's say Gary Tinsley, Troy Stoudemire or Michael Carter is the one to say this stuff in the media. Do you have the same reaction? I have a feeling any of those three gets raked over the coals by many of you.
 

Weber was asked about it in an interview (because everyone saw it and wanted to know what happened), and he pretty much put the most positive spin on it imaginable.

It has been interesting watching people make crap up about Weber and post it on here because they think it will build some sort of public disapproval of him.

If you're on the team you sing the damn song win or lose. You don't pout or run away. You stay there with your team and own the loss and own your part in it. You don't have to be happy about it. I don't blame Kirksey for having an outburst. I might have done the same thing. But it is wrong. And in athletics, you can't excel if you cant channel you emotions in a constructive way.

Everyone saw what happened. That's where it became "public". Kirksey is lucky he has a teammate like Weber who knew exactly how to minimize the matter for media consumption.

Some of you should lay-off the mind altering drugs. What's next? Is anyone going to accuse Adam Weber of poisoning their dog?
 

Before you get all high on your horse, assume there are things that you may not know that might provide greater context for Brandon losing it. I think some folks would rethink their drink if they knew what was happening in practice by the so called "role model" adults. Kirksey did not do the right thing as a leader, but we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Hypocrisy is in full effect on this suspension. This program is cancer right now.
 

"Before you get all high on your horse, assume there are things that you may not know that might provide greater context for Brandon losing it. I think some folks would rethink their drink if they knew what was happening in practice by the so called "role model" adults. Kirksey did not do the right thing as a leader, but we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Hypocrisy is in full effect on this suspension. This program is cancer right now."

Huh? Do tell
 

You guys aren't afraid to throw Captain W under the bus....

in fact some have been trying to do that all season.

I say you people are trying to do a kangaroo court number here. I have seen only evidence that captain K acted in a way that rightly got him suspended.

If a player breaks team rules, punish him. Suspend him. If it is serious enough, kick him off the team and take his scholarship away. It is called consequences.

You people coming around here trying to trash Weber and get support for Kirksey just aren't getting it done.


IF the program is so far gone and lacks discipline so much that there is no hope for it...it is time to shut the program down.

Football players HAVE to follow all the rules. They get a scholarship to attend college. IF they don't want to have the discipline to follow all the rules, then they will eventually suffer consequences. IF there are any football players who don't want to follow all the rules, I seriously doubt that they will still be around a year from now. Any new coach worth his salt will give every player the same set of rules. Those that choose not to follow the rules will suffer consequences and will most likely have to PROVE to the new coach that they want to follow ALL THE RULES and stay on the team and keep their scholarship. IF they don't fully comply, they will suffer consequences.

I don't buy any special "code..." for the lockerroom. It sounds too much like the "joint..."

I blame maturi for totally losing control of this football program. He is in charge of ALL sports programs. He has been totally incompetent in his handling of the football program for years and years now. Throw HIM under the bus NOW!
 

The way some of you write about Adam Weber, a record-setting local player who had other options and is the son of a former Gopher, who has endured three head coaches, five o-coordinators, not one Big Ten quality running back his entire career, some very bad offensive line play, a three time captain, a great spokesperson for the University and the football team, already graduated, makes one wonder if MN kids are truly are better off going to Iowa, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc. Is he the Golden Boy? He should be.
 

more proof of split in the team

You have no idea what goes on in the locker room! This team has a few bad apples (as do most teams) but the majority of the team are still tight and are trying to keep it together. There is no problem between Brandon K and Adam W. They are friends and doing the best they can under a very difficult situation. This wonderful "Gopher Nation" that has no clue about this team makes up stories and tries to analyze what is going on. YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG AND HAVE NEVER REALLY KNOWN THE TRUE STORY. I believe there are a few people here who think they are big men because they have forum to voice their opinion that is usually way off base. You are anonymous and therefore can say whatever you want. I just hope that with the new coach and a new beginning, you big men will quit with your self righteous preaching and let these young men develop into a good, maybe great team. All your negative talk has never changed an outcome or ever convinced a coach that you know more than they do. Grow up and get a life! It is only football!
 

I think that staying and singing Hail, Minnesota after the game sounds good in principle, but it might not work so well in practice. After wins, sure. But it seems to lead to problems doing it after losses, especially if the crowd is turning on the team. Players need a moment to cool off after a loss.
 

Kirksey isn't acting much like a team captain is he?
 

Formo said:
jovs, get outta here. You aren't a fan of the Gophers, its obvious. So WTF are you doing here?

cjcarter: Seriously? Just more proof that haters will look for ANYTHING to rip on a guy. Weber could probably have taken a different avenue about the incident but what he did was far from wrong.

gopherdudepart2: Wait. Did you just say that the reason we are 1-9 is because of QB play and split locker room? Nice how you threw defensive stuff right afterwards to justify your 'arguement' as soon as someone pointed out how false your statement is. QB play is far from the reason we are 1-9. Maybe a lack of a REAL run game (read: better play calling and better, bigger talent at the RB position) is a more legitimate excuse than QB play.

Good God, some of ya'll can't look at the sport objectively, can you?? I get that many of you hate Weber's play and want him to be benched. But to look for any more reasons outside of his play (which is mediocre, probably one of the few bright spots on this year's team) to validate your arguments against him is obviously biased.

In this situation, Kirksey is far more at fault than Weber is. Even though Web should have handled himself differently.
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Formo, what are you a two year old. These are adults that are putting a huge amount of time and effort into something that isn't working out. Forcing an individual that is frustrated, tired, and angry to stand in the end zone and sing a song is demeaning and wrong. If he doesn't want to do it he should not have to do it period. Let's grow up about the whole thing. He should not have been suspended. It has nothing to do with being a fan. Besides having the team stand in the end zone and sing the rouser does nothing for me and probably the majority of the fans. If that is why I enjoy college football I would give it up.

It's about the commitment, energy, and effort on the field, believe me, doing the rouser adds nothing to it.
 

jovs said:
Formo, what are you a two year old. These are adults that are putting a huge amount of time and effort into something that isn't working out. Forcing an individual that is frustrated, tired, and angry to stand in the end zone and sing a song is demeaning and wrong. If he doesn't want to do it he should not have to do it period. Let's grow up about the whole thing. He should not have been suspended. It has nothing to do with being a fan. Besides having the team stand in the end zone and sing the rouser does nothing for me and probably the majority of the fans. If that is why I enjoy college football I would give it up.

It's about the commitment, energy, and effort on the field, believe me, doing the rouser adds nothing to it.
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Being an adult means doing things you may not want to do, even if you are frustrated, tired or angry.
 

RodentRampage said:
Being an adult means doing things you may not want to do, even if you are frustrated, tired or angry.
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I can't imagine why that concept is so difficult for some to understand. Its what is expected from all the Gopher players whether they like it or not.

It seems as Kirksey has accepted his due and is moving on as he is still a member of the team and a captain. Maybe others should do the same. Now he has to step up and earn his starting spot back.
 

jovs said:
Formo, what are you a two year old. These are adults that are putting a huge amount of time and effort into something that isn't working out. Forcing an individual that is frustrated, tired, and angry to stand in the end zone and sing a song is demeaning and wrong. If he doesn't want to do it he should not have to do it period. Let's grow up about the whole thing. He should not have been suspended. It has nothing to do with being a fan. Besides having the team stand in the end zone and sing the rouser does nothing for me and probably the majority of the fans. If that is why I enjoy college football I would give it up.

It's about the commitment, energy, and effort on the field, believe me, doing the rouser adds nothing to it.
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I like Kirksey as a player, but he's getting a free education that's worth upward of $100,000 all told. If he feels this is demeaning, he can give the money back. Yeah, maybe singing the Rouser is corny, but if it's part of the gig, it's part of the gig.

As for the second highlighted clause, I guess seeing you don't like the singing of the Rouser, they should just drop it because it doesn't do anything for you.

If the U football program is ever going to return from the wilderness, it's going to need to get the student body involved and that's going to probably require the building of some new traditions and activities. I think the "Jump Around" schtick at Wisconsin is stupid, but if you look in the stands, you see everyone from Grampa to the stoners to the corn-fed Wisconsin milk maids getting into it. It's building those bonds that is important. Maybe the Rouser won't do that, but it's at least an attempt to build an identity of a football team, create some team cohesiveness, and create a tradition that will involve the fans.
 

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