Crosby
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I am a long-time season ticket holder. I am a donor and am fairly involved at the U, supporting academic as well as athletic programs. I have lived and died with every football win/loss for the last thirty years and more. But I'm sad to say that all of my support for the football side of the equation stops today. That's not a threat or anything as I am not enough of a "bigshot" to make a huge difference. I am just astounded by the way that this has unfolded.
To me, the main issue is not whether it was harassment, rape, etc. It is not whether these players got appropriate due process. It does not matter to me whether the girl has some fault here. You can argue about all that stuff forever. The real issue, and it is undisputed, is that there was a "train" of young men, apparently lined up to take turns with an intoxicated girl. These same guys were texting about "b**ches," and "h**s" and other equally vile things. Judging by those texts, it's sort of a normal thing for many players. Wow.
Anybody with half a moral compass would not have been there that night and/or would have put a stop to it. After reading that report... don't tell me that these are "character guys." Even if you disagree and go with the idea that "group sex happens all the time on campus" (it doesn't by the way, not in civilized circles) and "we should not judge what consenting adults do" then we have to question the utter stupidity of the players' actions that night. Every one of those kids should have been bright enough to figure out that this was not going to end well. And they should have removed themselves from the siutation. If they did not have the brains to do that, then they are not bright enough to be in college. If that was my son, his a$$ would be back at home already and he would not be participating in football or enrolled at the U any longer. Why? Because he would have shown me that he was incapable of making coherent decisions in a respectful society.
Then to top it off, we had an ENTIRE TEAM, including the coach, showing solidarity over the "lack of due process." Okay... maybe. But that means, by definition, that the players (and coach) all saw no problem with the "train" activity going on that night. Yes... the players said in their most recent statement that sexual harassment and/or sexual violence have no place on the team. Very noble of them. But they stopped short of saying that the activity that night was disgusting and stupid (even if consensual) and that there would be immediate attempts to change the culture. All of this blaming the administration is utter nonsense. Clean up your own house guys. Take some freaking responsibility. Your teammates had a drunken gang bang. Somebody please say something about how that is unacceptable.
If I were a player, and I read a report like that, there is no way in hell that I would stand up for "the brotherhood." I would have called my teammates out and said ... "WTF were you thinking? Your selfish behavior, even if not illegal, put the success of our season and the pride of this university on the line. And you expect me to support you? No way. This sh*t starts getting changed right now." That would be leadership.
But apparently the culture on the team is "stuff like this is okay, as long as we aren't breaking the law." I can't support that mentality and I can't support that culture. I have been naive. I have cared deeply about this program. No more. It obviously operates under a completely different set of moral values than I have. I won't be a part of it, and I certainly won't help fund it.
I hope Washington State wins, and wins big. And it breaks my heart to say that.
To me, the main issue is not whether it was harassment, rape, etc. It is not whether these players got appropriate due process. It does not matter to me whether the girl has some fault here. You can argue about all that stuff forever. The real issue, and it is undisputed, is that there was a "train" of young men, apparently lined up to take turns with an intoxicated girl. These same guys were texting about "b**ches," and "h**s" and other equally vile things. Judging by those texts, it's sort of a normal thing for many players. Wow.
Anybody with half a moral compass would not have been there that night and/or would have put a stop to it. After reading that report... don't tell me that these are "character guys." Even if you disagree and go with the idea that "group sex happens all the time on campus" (it doesn't by the way, not in civilized circles) and "we should not judge what consenting adults do" then we have to question the utter stupidity of the players' actions that night. Every one of those kids should have been bright enough to figure out that this was not going to end well. And they should have removed themselves from the siutation. If they did not have the brains to do that, then they are not bright enough to be in college. If that was my son, his a$$ would be back at home already and he would not be participating in football or enrolled at the U any longer. Why? Because he would have shown me that he was incapable of making coherent decisions in a respectful society.
Then to top it off, we had an ENTIRE TEAM, including the coach, showing solidarity over the "lack of due process." Okay... maybe. But that means, by definition, that the players (and coach) all saw no problem with the "train" activity going on that night. Yes... the players said in their most recent statement that sexual harassment and/or sexual violence have no place on the team. Very noble of them. But they stopped short of saying that the activity that night was disgusting and stupid (even if consensual) and that there would be immediate attempts to change the culture. All of this blaming the administration is utter nonsense. Clean up your own house guys. Take some freaking responsibility. Your teammates had a drunken gang bang. Somebody please say something about how that is unacceptable.
If I were a player, and I read a report like that, there is no way in hell that I would stand up for "the brotherhood." I would have called my teammates out and said ... "WTF were you thinking? Your selfish behavior, even if not illegal, put the success of our season and the pride of this university on the line. And you expect me to support you? No way. This sh*t starts getting changed right now." That would be leadership.
But apparently the culture on the team is "stuff like this is okay, as long as we aren't breaking the law." I can't support that mentality and I can't support that culture. I have been naive. I have cared deeply about this program. No more. It obviously operates under a completely different set of moral values than I have. I won't be a part of it, and I certainly won't help fund it.
I hope Washington State wins, and wins big. And it breaks my heart to say that.
