How Broken is the CFB Rankings!?!

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gopher7 said:
The reason Michigan didn't drop is because Clemson and Washington both lost too. Clemson's loss was far worse than Michigan's, and you can make an argument that Washington's was as well. Maybe Louisville should have passed Michigan up, but just a week ago they were 13 seconds from losing to 2-6 Virginia and have looked average for most of the last month. Nobody is playing lights out except for Alabama.
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The committee has stated previously that there is a heavy emphasis on conference champions. That stance will be heavily put to the test if OSU beats Michigan putting PSU into the conference championship, and Wisconsin winning out and winning the Big Ten Championship game. They would have a real difficult decision choosing between Big Ten Champion 11-2 Wisconsin vs. 11-1 Ohio State.

With the Big Ten being looked at as the best conference this year I'd be very surprised to see the conference champ not make the playoffs.
 

MNBadgerGuy said:
The committee has stated previously that there is a heavy emphasis on conference champions. That stance will be heavily put to the test if OSU beats Michigan putting PSU into the conference championship, and Wisconsin winning out and winning the Big Ten Championship game. They would have a real difficult decision choosing between Big Ten Champion 11-2 Wisconsin vs. 11-1 Ohio State.

With the Big Ten being looked at as the best conference this year I'd be very surprised to see the conference champ not make the playoffs.
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I think if both Wisconsin & Ohio State win out, I see them both making it with Louisville & Washington being the odd men out. It would be hard for those two to argue their resumes are better than OSU & WI's. Wisconsin would be a conference champ, and I think the vast majority would accept why OSU as a non conference champion would get the nod over Washington & L'Ville, who also would not be a conference champ.
 

The conference winner ought to go.

If this is going to be a problem (eg arguing a very flawed Ohio State team should get in over a teamm thet beat in overtime, or the Pac 12 or ACC champ) then do away with these wacky divisions and crown a conference champ based on record and tiebreakers. It's the only way to know for sure.

As it stands, the conference championship games are a de facto playoff. If Ohio State can't close the deal on a flawed PSU team and needed OT to beat Wisconsin it's hard to argue they are more deserving than any conference champion. Maybe they're just not that good this year? I'd take USC over OSU right now. They found a gamer.
 


Pompous Elitist said:
I'd take USC over OSU right now. They found a gamer.
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That's why an expanded playoff of 8 is needed. Teams improve throughout the year and should not be eliminated by games in September. There is no preseason in College Football.

Five Conference champs and next three teams for 8. It's one extra game above current process.
 

Agreed that they would simply need to increase the playoff size and the majority of the issues would disappear. It DRIVES me crazy of all these people saying "Team X isn't any good, they only beat Y". That's the thing. You play the people who you have lined up in front of you. That's all you can do.
Sure, Iowa had a insanely easy schedule last year. But, if at the end of the year, and they were undefeated (or on the 1 loss bubble) but didn't look like a top 4 with the "eye test" too bad. Let them play the game and win or get smashed.

Taking the human element out of the ranking these teams needs to happen badly.

Does the best team in the championship every year? Nope. If that was the case, let Vegas set the lines and quite actually playin' games. .. .
 

Pompous Elitist said:
The conference winner ought to go.

If this is going to be a problem (eg arguing a very flawed Ohio State team should get in over a teamm thet beat in overtime, or the Pac 12 or ACC champ) then do away with these wacky divisions and crown a conference champ based on record and tiebreakers. It's the only way to know for sure.

As it stands, the conference championship games are a de facto playoff. If Ohio State can't close the deal on a flawed PSU team and needed OT to beat Wisconsin it's hard to argue they are more deserving than any conference champion. Maybe they're just not that good this year? I'd take USC over OSU right now. They found a gamer.
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Seriously, you'd take a 3-loss USC over a 1-loss Ohio State simply because USC is playing well and has a new QB? With all due respect, I'm glad you're not on the committee.

The game results do matter, in fact they should be the most important consideration. It's not a beauty contest.
 

Who should Michigan move behind that has a better resume than them?
 



Some guy said:
Who should Michigan move behind that has a better resume than them?
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exactly, all this is fodder/generating excitement...

but in 3 weeks who knows, osu and michy, one will have another loss, so that takes one of those two teams out of consideration due to the fact one will not go to the champ game and have two losses...it gets interesting if the loser has a better resume than perhaps Wisconsin, (potential big champ winner) but 2 losses. I think the big is the best conference and should generate 2 teams if wi wins the champ game and osu beats scum...then you have bama and a toss up between Louisville, clem, wash, etc etc etc....
 

Some guy said:
Who should Michigan move behind that has a better resume than them?
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I agree that Michigan is properly ranked at this moment. Stewart Mandel constantly hammers home the point that it appears the committee rewards teams more for good wins than they penalize teams for bad losses. They have wins over the #7, #8 & #10 teams, which is what they're valuing over the loss @ Iowa.

I think real chaos will happen if Michigan beats Indiana & Ohio State, but then loses to Wisconsin in the Big Ten championship game. I see Wisconsin as for sure getting one of the spots, but would they end up being the only B10 team to get a spot?
 

Alabama is in unless they some how lose 2. Even if they do they might still make it.
O$U wins out they are in.
Clemson wins out and they are
in.
Washington wins out they are in.
Wisconsin wins out but need Clemson or Washington to drop one.
Michigan wins out and they are in.
Ped. State. Wins out but needs help from Clemson and Washington.
Louisville wins out but I just don't see how they can make it with who they have played.
I think the final 4 will look like this:
1 Bama
2 O$U
3 Clemson
4 Washington
5 Wisconsin

I like this system better than the BCS.
I don't think this system is broken at all.
 

SelectionSunday said:
The game results do matter, in fact they should be the most important consideration. It's not a beauty contest.
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Totally agree. I'm stoked with the conference championship because the Gophers have twice played games big games in November since the advent of the CCG. This wasn't happening before the CCG. In part it's because of JK, but it's also because the bar is lower when you split the conference and one and sometimes two losses doesn't eliminate you.

I really hope they don't include tOSU and leave out PSU or Wisconsin if those two play in the CCG with two losses each. It basically says the regular season and CCG don't matter. The greatest bulwark against playoff expansion and a complete abandonment of the bowls is honoring the CCG's as they become part of the 'playoff'.
 



I agree with some that this makes me like the CFP rankings.

The previous "last to lose" AP/coaches polls were stupid. You were better off losing week 2 to a mid major than you were losing week 12 to the #5 team in the nation in the old scenario. The entire body of work is considered now.
 

YouBaxter said:
Michigan loses to a bad Iowa team and doesn't drop a spot. A. Single. Spot. It goes to show how truly broken the system is. I listen to ESPN Radio this morning and reading articles and media members say "It's fine, they are a GREAT team. They just lost a tough game on the road...".

In the same broken system, again, the same people are saying that Ohio St SHOULD be in and ranked above Penn St (if everything plays out) at the end of the year regardless if Penn St. claims the Big10 title AND beat Ohio St. Simple reason "Ohio St is a better team and should be in the playoffs because the best teams should be included".

That to me, is SO broken. If that's the case, why the hell do we play the games. Why don't a group of people get together and grade every team like Madden, scrap the season and go from there


I give up. I don't get it. It's so broken at this point it's comical...

Rant over.
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Really? So who would you put in instead? A Louisville team that lost to Clemson? Washington? Wisconsin?
 

Pompous Elitist said:
IMO Michigan's loss is much worse than Washington's. For those not watching USC is beginning to flex its muscles and is playing at a very high level. Highly talented team across the board and they found a playmaker QB. Iowa is the definition of meh.

This is why we can't have partial humans that don't watch the games (exclamation mark!) setting the field.
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Washington lost at home to a team that has basically manhandled every team they've beaten, and almost beat the #12 ranked team on the road. I'm not surprised at all.
 

I'm not gonna go read through this whole thread - but the system is better than it was. And where it was is better than where it used to be.

Right now, we get to see 4 teams battle for the championship. It'll be 8 teams within the next 10 years, hopefully within the next 5.
 

KoolAid said:
I'm not gonna go read through this whole thread - but the system is better than it was. And where it was is better than where it used to be.

Right now, we get to see 4 teams battle for the championship. It'll be 8 teams within the next 10 years, hopefully within the next 5.
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So then the Super Bowl will be sometime in March...
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I'd take USC over OSU right now.
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Huh?

OSU has outscored its last two opponents 124-6, including one that was ranked in the Top 20 and another that will be going to a bowl game.

Their only loss was on the road, at the current #8 team in the nation (PSU), outgained PSU 413-276, were leading by 14 points in the 4th quarter and gave up two fluky scores on blocked kicks.

OSU wins out they get in.
 


tjgopher said:
Huh?

OSU has outscored its last two opponents 124-6, including one that was ranked in the Top 20 and another that will be going to a bowl game.

Their only loss was on the road, at the current #8 team in the nation (PSU), outgained PSU 413-276, were leading by 14 points in the 4th quarter and gave up two fluky scores on blocked kicks.

OSU wins out they get in.
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Special teams matters. Not sure why you dismiss special teams play. Well, Claeys seems to so you're of like mind.

USC had a QB competition and Max Browne folded under the pressure. He was replaced in game 4 by Sam Darnold, a freshman, and he's been lighting it up ever since.

What would Wisconsin, OSU's or PSU's record be if they played Alabama this season?

OSU and USC both tend to play down to competition but USC is red hot right now. Beat a very good WA team at their house. OSU running up the score on terrible teams doesn't impress me. OSU Michigan will be a great game. Huge game.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Special teams matters. Not sure why you dismiss special teams play. Well, Claeys seems to so you're of like mind.

USC had a QB competition and Max Browne folded under the pressure. He was replaced in game 4 by Sam Darnold, a freshman, and he's been lighting it up ever since.

What would Wisconsin, OSU's or PSU's record be if they played Alabama this season?

OSU and USC both tend to play down to competition but USC is red hot right now. Beat a very good WA team at their house. OSU running up the score on terrible teams doesn't impress me. OSU Michigan will be a great game. Huge game.
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it matters, but a blocked field goal touchdown is a lot different than a PR or KR touchdown in terms of flukiness. Still counts, but would be very hard to argue that OSU didn't outplay PSU. And further, if you had to bet on who has the best chance to beat Alabama, no one would list PSU over OSU, I imagine even among a majority of PSU fans. So until we get to the point where conference champions get an auto invite, the committee is choosing the 4 best teams, and OSU is absolutely one of them.
 

Section2 said:
it matters, but a blocked field goal touchdown is a lot different than a PR or KR touchdown in terms of flukiness. Still counts, but would be very hard to argue that OSU didn't outplay PSU. And further, if you had to bet on who has the best chance to beat Alabama, no one would list PSU over OSU, I imagine even among a majority of PSU fans. So until we get to the point where conference champions get an auto invite, the committee is choosing the 4 best teams, and OSU is absolutely one of them.
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I don't agree with your first sentence. I'd also say it's pretty hard to say how good they really are. The Michigan game will be interesting. Michigan has also shown chinks in the armor at times. They are very fortunate Colrado's QB was hurt during the second half.
 

I've said it before, conference champs from the P4 (sorry not so big 12). Done.

If folks want an eight team playoff, take the conference runner-ups. Easy.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I don't agree with your first sentence. I'd also say it's pretty hard to say how good they really are. The Michigan game will be interesting. Michigan has also shown chinks in the armor at times. They are very fortunate Colrado's QB was hurt during the second half.
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I know Bama is good but it's been a little hard to tell in the SEC if they are a lot better or the others are just OK this year. Outside the Tide, SEC has been pretty underwhelming this year.
 

Louisville has a right to be mad. They will take it out on Houston tonight and prove it /s


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Spoofin said:
Louisville has a right to be mad. They will take it out on Houston tonight and prove it /s


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Guessing you are being sarcastic based on the game. There was no way the committee would put them above a Clemson team that beat them. ACC is a weak conference. Actually think the committee got it pretty much right this week.
 

CFP is not a playoff, it's a political Rank-Off. (CFR) A playoff would have 8 or 12 teams, and all FBS conferences would have an avenue (a play-in opportunity) to an actual playoff. The thing right now is no playoff, just another flawed system with too much human involvement.
 

Herd said:
CFP is not a playoff, it's a political Rank-Off. (CFR) A playoff would have 8 or 12 teams, and all FBS conferences would have an avenue (a play-in opportunity) to an actual playoff. The thing right now is no playoff, just another flawed system with too much human involvement.
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+1

The 4 team CFP is about keeping the haves and have nots in their places. Making an actual 8-12 team playoff that includes non-P5 Cinderella teams = a future w/parity.
 

kisarazu said:
+1

The 4 team CFP is about keeping the haves and have nots in their places. Making an actual 8-12 team playoff that includes non-P5 Cinderella teams = a future w/parity.
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12 Team Playoff:
Top 4 Seeds with 1st Round Bye

9 of 12 spots: Top 4 Conf Champs and 5 at Large teams
Last 3 spots: 3 Play in games involving lower ranked 6 teams/conf champs
Rounds: Round 1 on campus, 2-3-4 as Bowls.
Playoff in lue of Conf Championship Games.
12 Shares ($$) available to the 12 teams (paid to conf) making the field. Bumps for wins.

Would be much more interesting than today's BS. Would lift entire FBS, not just the P5.
 

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