How Broken is the CFB Rankings!?!

[YouBaxter]

Michigan loses to a bad Iowa team and doesn't drop a spot. A. Single. Spot. It goes to show how truly broken the system is. I listen to ESPN Radio this morning and reading articles and media members say "It's fine, they are a GREAT team. They just lost a tough game on the road...".

In the same broken system, again, the same people are saying that Ohio St SHOULD be in and ranked above Penn St (if everything plays out) at the end of the year regardless if Penn St. claims the Big10 title AND beat Ohio St. Simple reason "Ohio St is a better team and should be in the playoffs because the best teams should be included".

That to me, is SO broken. If that's the case, why the hell do we play the games. Why don't a group of people get together and grade every team like Madden, scrap the season and go from there


I give up. I don't get it. It's so broken at this point it's comical...

Rant over.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Michigan loses to a bad Iowa team and doesn't drop a spot. A. Single. Spot. It goes to show how truly broken the system is. I listen to ESPN Radio this morning and reading articles and media members say "It's fine, they are a GREAT team. They just lost a tough game on the road...".

In the same broken system, again, the same people are saying that Ohio St SHOULD be in and ranked above Penn St (if everything plays out) at the end of the year regardless if Penn St. claims the Big10 title AND beat Ohio St. Simple reason "Ohio St is a better team and should be in the playoffs because the best teams should be included".

That to me, is SO broken. If that's the case, why the hell do we play the games. Why don't a group of people get together and grade every team like Madden, scrap the season and go from there


I give up. I don't get it. It's so broken at this point it's comical...

Rant over.

Committees should never decide winners and losers in sports.

Want to give a "lifetime achievement" award for body of work? Fine. Otherwise you traverse and conquer the field. Nobody gets a gold medal at the Olympics for setting a WR earlier in the year.

 

[Denver_Gopher]

This is why a 4 team playoff is stupid. Either go back to just bowls and polls or go to a true playoff with 16 teams. In a 16 team playoff, the winner of each conference (the Power 5 and the Group of 5) makes it (10 teams) and 6 at large that can be voted on by a committee.

 

[YouBaxter]

Side note.

This isn't a blast at Michigan and/or Ohio St. Not a hater of either team. Truthfully, if the Gophers were undefeated at this point in the season, they would most likely be ranked fairly high. If the same happened this week; went down and barely lot to Nebraska, I would have the same opinion. You lose, you're penalized in the rankings.

 

[YouBaxter]

I agree. At this point, you HAVE to totally get rid of rankings. Do what the NFL does and release power rankings so programs to flex their muscles.

 

[Zeppelin Gopher]

The only issue is ESPN's insistence that this become a weekly made for TV bull**** spectacle. Who cares what the rankings are right now? They only matter in 3 weeks, completely meaningless as of now.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

The only issue is ESPN's insistence that this become a weekly made for TV bull**** spectacle. Who cares what the rankings are right now? They only matter in 3 weeks, completely meaningless as of now.

Even the committee after the TCU thing said the previous weeks weren't relevant to the last ranking....

 

[jovs]

I guess if Ohio State ends up getting into the CFB playoff but not winning the B1G and wins the playoff you can claim that they are the best team outside of the B1G.

 

[YouBaxter]

Yes and no. I get where an argument can say "Meh, there are 4 weeks left, let it play out". But, weekly ranking matter for teams to move up and down because on the top 4 make it. In other words, the only way Nebraska can make the top 4 is to slowly creep up and have some of the teams above lose week after week.

But, again, as someone else mentioned, "previous weeks are irrelevant". So, with that theory, a team can go from 17 to 4 because of the eye test

 

[MNGoldenGophers1]

This reinforces my belief that it is time for a P4 with up to 16 teams in each conference. The top two from each conference go to the playoffs. End of story.

Too bad if you're an independent or play in one of the sisters-of-the-poor conferences. This would essentially remove any subjectivity including issues surrounding non-conference opponents.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

This reinforces my belief that it is time for a P4 with up to 16 teams in each conference. The top two from each conference go to the playoffs. End of story.

Too bad if you're an independent or play in one of the sisters-of-the-poor conferences. This would essentially remove any subjectivity including issues surrounding non-conference opponents.

I would prefer the same, conference champs go, be done with the rest of it.

 

[gopher7]

The reason Michigan didn't drop is because Clemson and Washington both lost too. Clemson's loss was far worse than Michigan's, and you can make an argument that Washington's was as well. Maybe Louisville should have passed Michigan up, but just a week ago they were 13 seconds from losing to 2-6 Virginia and have looked average for most of the last month. Nobody is playing lights out except for Alabama.

 

[Section2]

I like it. I hate reactionary moves from week to week. Compare the totality of each team's season after each week. Why should the most recent week be an outsized factor? Michigan has destroyed everyone all year long, including good teams. One bad game doesn't change that.

I would agree that I think conference champions should be preferred. If PSU wins out, even though I don't think they're better than OSU, they should get the nod. I think they'll lose to MSU, or Wisconsin if they're as average as I think. These things tend to work themselves out, no need to freak out.

 

[CentralGopher]

I think they will drop out of the playoff picture after the ohio state game.

 

[johndoe]

So if PSU wins out, tOSU and Michigan win this week, and then tOSU beats Michigan next week, PSU would be the East representative in the B1G championship correct?

I would think by that point, PSU would jump in to the top 4. If they win the championship game they'd have to be in the CFP and tOSU would be out of the CFP picture.

Now say, wisconSIN also wins out (I know, that would mean they beat us next week, burn me at the stake) and beats PSU in the B1G championship game, would tOSU or wisco be in the CFP? Or could we possibly see a CFP without a B1G team?

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

So if PSU wins out, tOSU and Michigan win this week, and then tOSU beats Michigan next week, PSU would be the East representative in the B1G championship correct?

I would think by that point, PSU would jump in to the top 4. If they win the championship game they'd have to be in the CFP and tOSU would be out of the CFP picture.

Now say, wisconSIN also wins out (I know, that would mean they beat us next week, burn me at the stake) and beats PSU in the B1G championship game, would tOSU or wisco be in the CFP? Or could we possibly see a CFP without a B1G team?

PSU should be in over Ohio St. if they win the B1G. Ohio St. should be in over Wisconsin if Wisconsin wins. At that point you have to factor in the head to head.

 

[Iceland12]

So if PSU wins out, tOSU and Michigan win this week, and then tOSU beats Michigan next week, PSU would be the East representative in the B1G championship correct?

I would think by that point, PSU would jump in to the top 4. If they win the championship game they'd have to be in the CFP and tOSU would be out of the CFP picture.

Now say, wisconSIN also wins out (I know, that would mean they beat us next week, burn me at the stake) and beats PSU in the B1G championship game, would tOSU or wisco be in the CFP? Or could we possibly see a CFP without a B1G team?

You are new around here huh?

Even if the Badgers win out they will NOT go to the Championship Playoffs. If you were around here more often, you'd realize that unless they beat Minnesota by 10-12 touchdowns, the Badgers will drop heavily in the standings. Because apparently the Gophers are the worst team in the history of college football.

(hyperbole is fun )

 

[SelectionSunday]

The only issue is ESPN's insistence that this become a weekly made for TV bull**** spectacle. Who cares what the rankings are right now? They only matter in 3 weeks, completely meaningless as of now.

Bingo, we have a winner.

Can't we all just figure out it all plays itself out? Pretty much guarantee it'll be real obvious who 3 of the 4 teams should be (if not all 4), it's the other one where the committee will have to earn its stripes.

I say this as someone who is a "resume guy" (who you played, who you beat, where you played them, & who you lost to all rolled into one) more than an "eye test" guy, but IMO at this point Louisville (as one example) has no business being considered for the CFP. Yes, they have the potential Heisman trophy winner, but who the heck have they beaten? The Cardinals have beaten 7-3 Florida State and that's it. The rest are a bunch of nobodies.

Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, and Wisconsin all have beaten multiple above-average to really good teams. Heck, 6-4 Pitt (Penn State, Clemson) has more good wins than Louisville.

 

[MaxyJR1]

I agree. At this point, you HAVE to totally get rid of rankings. Do what the NFL does and release power rankings so programs to flex their muscles.

Funny we want CFB to be more like the NFL with playoffs, while ESPN and others want to be more like CFB by creating power rankings.

 

[GreasyGopher]

So if PSU wins out, tOSU and Michigan win this week, and then tOSU beats Michigan next week, PSU would be the East representative in the B1G championship correct?

I would think by that point, PSU would jump in to the top 4. If they win the championship game they'd have to be in the CFP and tOSU would be out of the CFP picture.

Now say, wisconSIN also wins out (I know, that would mean they beat us next week, burn me at the stake) and beats PSU in the B1G championship game, would tOSU or wisco be in the CFP? Or could we possibly see a CFP without a B1G team?

As far as I'm concerned, if there's only one representative from the BIG TEN in the CFP, it better be the conference champion. The major knock against Louisville all year has been that they won't be the conference champion if Clemson wins out. The committee can't pick and choose when these rules apply and when they don't just to get the teams they want in the playoff.

If the committee puts a team that isn't the conference champion in the CFP over that conference's champion, it shows me they place no merit in on the field results but rather are only interested in making the most money they can for the NCAA. Which leaves the student-athlete with the short end of the stick, again.

On a side note, I haven't been a fan of allowing the student-athlete to further monetize their involvement in college athletics but the more I look at how their lives are subject to governance by an organization whose decision in favor of the student-athlete is more times than not in direct conflict with their bottom line, I can't help but see a huge conflict of interest that not only negatively affects the student-athletes but the potentially the integrity of all college athletics (integrity of college athletics... is that an oxymoron?). That's a discussion for another time and place though.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

The reason Michigan didn't drop is because Clemson and Washington both lost too. Clemson's loss was far worse than Michigan's, and you can make an argument that Washington's was as well. Maybe Louisville should have passed Michigan up, but just a week ago they were 13 seconds from losing to 2-6 Virginia and have looked averag Be for most of the last month. Nobody is playing lights out except for Alabama.

IMO Michigan's loss is much worse than Washington's. For those not watching USC is beginning to flex its muscles and is playing at a very high level. Highly talented team across the board and they found a playmaker QB. Iowa is the definition of meh.

This is why we can't have partial humans that don't watch the games (exclamation mark!) setting the field.

 

[MaxyJR1]

IMO Michigan's loss is much worse than Washington's. For those not watching USC is beginning to flex its muscles and is playing at a very high level. Highly talented team across the board and they found a playmaker QB. Iowa is the definition of meh.

This is why we can't have partial humans that don't watch the games (exclamation mark!) setting the field.

I think this is where the Home vs Road loss comes into play. Washington and Clemson lost at home. Michigan and tOSU were on the road.

 

[SelectionSunday]

If the committee puts a team that isn't the conference champion in the CFP over that conference's champion, it shows me they place no merit in on the field results. ...

I agree that a conference championship should matter, but the Ohio State-Wisconsin thing could be an interesting scenario. An 11-2 Wisconsin B1G champion vs. an 11-1 non-B1G champion Ohio State. Yes, the Badgers would have the championship, but they lost the head-to-head (in Madison), not to mention the Badgers (though the B1G champions) would have more conference losses (2) than Ohio State (1).

Either way, my opinion is if this scenario plays out, both Ohio State and Wisconsin are getting in. That said, if the committee were only to choose 1 of those 2, in this unique scenario I would choose the Buckeyes. ... head-to-head win (on the road, no less) + better conference record, + better resume would trump the Badgers' conference championship.

 

[howeda7]

I was sort of glad they didn't move Michigan, only because it seems like they 'reward' the teams who lose earlier in the season when they do that. Is there any good reason OSU should be ahead of Michigan other than Michigan's loss is more recent? No. And it doesn't matter, in all probability. Whoever wins OSU/Michigan is in. Whoever loses is out.

 

[johndoe]

Here's another scenario:

If Michigan beats tOSU next week and it's PSU and wisconSIN in the B1G championship game, Michigan has the head to head tie breaker over both of those teams (PSU by a very wide margin). Would they still be in the CFP regardless of the winner of that B1G championship game? Or could we see two big ten teams in the CFP in that scenario? Michigan plus the winner?

 

[SelectionSunday]

Here's another scenario:

If Michigan beats tOSU next week and it's PSU and wisconSIN in the B1G championship game, Michigan has the head to head tie breaker over both of those teams (PSU by a very wide margin). Would they still be in the CFP regardless of the winner of that B1G championship game? Or could we see two big ten teams in the CFP in that scenario? Michigan plus the winner?

If Michigan wins last 2 they're in the B1G title game. Would have tiebreaker (head to head) over Penn State.

 

[the.chucker]

I agree that a conference championship should matter, but the Ohio State-Wisconsin thing could be an interesting scenario. An 11-2 Wisconsin B1G champion vs. an 11-1 non-B1G champion Ohio State. Yes, the Badgers would have the championship, but they lost the head-to-head (in Madison), not to mention the Badgers (though the B1G champions) would have more conference losses (2) than Ohio State (1).

Either way, my opinion is if this scenario plays out, both Ohio State and Wisconsin are getting in. That said, if the committee were only to choose 1 of those 2, in this unique scenario I would choose the Buckeyes. ... head-to-head win (on the road, no less) + better conference record, + better resume would trump the Badgers' conference championship.

can you imagine Wisky getting in, seriously, wtf, they were supposed to be beaten to snot this year with that schedule. that would be the ultimate slap---if they do run the table, they should get in over osu due to the fact they played an extra game...who says osu would win the championship game, wisky has more risk, what if osu plays nebby or the gophs and lose, then they have 2 losses

interesting scenario, I could see 6 teams in a playoff with the top 2 getting a bye...I don't think there are more than 7 other teams capable of beating bama.

final thought, yeah, the final 4 given this week will change drastically by the end...good for tv though I guess

 

[Sparlimb]

Michigan loses to a bad Iowa team and doesn't drop a spot. A. Single. Spot. It goes to show how truly broken the system is. I listen to ESPN Radio this morning and reading articles and media members say "It's fine, they are a GREAT team. They just lost a tough game on the road...".

In the same broken system, again, the same people are saying that Ohio St SHOULD be in and ranked above Penn St (if everything plays out) at the end of the year regardless if Penn St. claims the Big10 title AND beat Ohio St. Simple reason "Ohio St is a better team and should be in the playoffs because the best teams should be included".

That to me, is SO broken. If that's the case, why the hell do we play the games. Why don't a group of people get together and grade every team like Madden, scrap the season and go from there


I give up. I don't get it. It's so broken at this point it's comical...

Rant over.

As long as Sconnie stays out of the playoff, I don't care who goes.

 

[t-docious]

expand to six with conference winners and one wild card. bam. problem solved.

 

[formerlybis]

Here's another scenario:

If Michigan beats tOSU next week and it's PSU and wisconSIN in the B1G championship game, Michigan has the head to head tie breaker over both of those teams (PSU by a very wide margin). Would they still be in the CFP regardless of the winner of that B1G championship game? Or could we see two big ten teams in the CFP in that scenario? Michigan plus the winner?

As mentioned, Michigan vs. Wisconsin in Indy in that scenario, and the winner would go the playoff likely as the only B1G team.

IMO Michigan's loss is much worse than Washington's. For those not watching USC is beginning to flex its muscles and is playing at a very high level. Highly talented team across the board and they found a playmaker QB. Iowa is the definition of meh.

This is why we can't have partial humans that don't watch the games (exclamation mark!) setting the field.

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