Hold out!! Tennessee QB Nico Iamaleava did not attend Tennessee spring practice today. He’s been in conversations with Tennessee about a new contract.

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btowngopher said:
What’s with all the posts about interest dwindling just now? This stuff started years ago.
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You don't divorce your wife when she first starts gaining weight, you at least gotta give it some time to see if it's gonna be permanent or not, and how bad it's gonna get. ;)
 

Kitzmann57 said:
That's what I was wondering. So the "Officially Transfer Portal" is unavailable to be seen by the public?
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Just looked at 247: shows Iamaleava as 100% to North Carolina (Bill Belichick). Must be ready to pony up $4M. Pretty amazing.
 

Kitzmann57 said:
247Sports is showing him in the portal already. I don't understand that? The portal officially opens April 16th. The coach has not been fired and he's not a grad student ? I know its only a matter of time when he's officially in the portal, but 247Sports should not have him listed now.
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Is there some harm them doing so?
 

btowngopher said:
If you enter the portal your scholarship is only protected for the current term. After that the school can yank it if they choose to, even if the player wants to stay. If it was protected why wouldn’t every player enter it every year to see what offers are available?
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More than a 1000 do every year. Programs the vindictively yank a scholarship are equally unreliable partners. It would be more prudent to allow the student to return as the search for a replacement costs more money. Call it the economic opportunity cost of being considerate verses being a jerk.
 


ShushPush said:
More than a 1000 do every year. Programs the vindictively yank a scholarship are equally unreliable partners. It would be more prudent to allow the student to return as the search for a replacement costs more money. Call it the economic opportunity cost of being considerate verses being a jerk.
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You’re going to have to replace way more if they all can enter with no threat of consequences. Plus you’ll end up with way more competing offers to deal with. It’s not being a jerk, it’s the only power the schools still have. If it was how you want it you’d have over 1,000 players just from the B1G entering every year.
 

To be a college athlete in basketball is time demanding. It takes away from academic focus with demanding training schedules, competitions, travel which may iimpact missed classes and even impact demanding academic interests. No way they can pursue internships. There is evidence that it impacts how they construct their social relationships. Sports impact their health with injuries, which can impact future opportunities. The simple fact that athletes miss out on discovering other hobbies of interest outside of sports is well documented. If a kid decides to go to the portal, they may be looking for ways to fill in the gaps of their life. Instead of putting up a barrier to other opportunities, we should help them identify which gaps they are trying to fill and help them fulfill it. I get sick of the no-thought jackasses who want to penalize these kids even more by yanking scholarships if they start looking elsewhere. It usually means they don't like how things are going and are trying to solve those issues. Instead of putting up another barrier, a leader would ask how they can make their situation more tolerable. I think Medved and Fleck know this is true in their players lives. I think you develop loyalty when you see a real human being across from you and you treat them like they have human interests separate from your own with respect. Otherwise, you're a dink and a miserable cuss.
 





btowngopher said:
They definitely don’t have to let the player come back, that’s why you see so many enter and end up worse off or without any offers.
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Absolutely, was just pointing out a trend I have seen with players including the line about possibly coming back in their transfer announcements. If I were a coach it would have to be a really special player for me to want a kid back that goes into the portal in an effort to get more money out of my school.
 

ShushPush said:
To be a college athlete in basketball is time demanding. It takes away from academic focus with demanding training schedules, competitions, travel which may iimpact missed classes and even impact demanding academic interests. No way they can pursue internships. There is evidence that it impacts how they construct their social relationships. Sports impact their health with injuries, which can impact future opportunities. The simple fact that athletes miss out on discovering other hobbies of interest outside of sports is well documented. If a kid decides to go to the portal, they may be looking for ways to fill in the gaps of their life. Instead of putting up a barrier to other opportunities, we should help them identify which gaps they are trying to fill and help them fulfill it. I get sick of the no-thought jackasses who want to penalize these kids even more by yanking scholarships if they start looking elsewhere. It usually means they don't like how things are going and are trying to solve those issues. Instead of putting up another barrier, a leader would ask how they can make their situation more tolerable. I think Medved and Fleck know this is true in their players lives. I think you develop loyalty when you see a real human being across from you and you treat them like they have human interests separate from your own with respect. Otherwise, you're a dink and a miserable cuss.
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How do you know Heupel and his staff didn't try to work with this kid and fill those gaps? All indications seem to be that he (with the help of his dad) wanted to hold Tennessee up at gunpoint for more money. Tennessee made the choice that they don't want him on the roster. He made the choices, he gets to live with the consequences.

Nobody is forcing him to be a college athlete, he is free to give up football and pay tuition and forgo millions of dollars. Yes it is demanding, and in some ways risky to be a college athlete, but he also had/still has the opportunity to reap a lot of rewards from it.

And call him a kid all you want, but he is a grown adult doing very lucrative work. Zero sympathy for him, and that's coming from someone who is very pro-NIL.
 

Gophers1992 said:
How do you know Heupel and his staff didn't try to work with this kid and fill those gaps? All indications seem to be that he (with the help of his dad) wanted to hold Tennessee up at gunpoint for more money. Tennessee made the choice that they don't want him on the roster. He made the choices, he gets to live with the consequences.

Nobody is forcing him to be a college athlete, he is free to give up football and pay tuition and forgo millions of dollars. Yes it is demanding, and in some ways risky to be a college athlete, but he also had/still has the opportunity to reap a lot of rewards from it.

And call him a kid all you want, but he is a grown adult doing very lucrative work. Zero sympathy for him, and that's coming from someone who is very pro-NIL.
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I didn't say anything about Heupel and his staff. If I was talking about them, I would have named them. I was speaking about rights in this thread and the impact of being an athlete. If you want me to step on the landmine, I refuse to do it.
 

ShushPush said:
I didn't say anything about Heupel and his staff. If I was talking about them, I would have named them. I was speaking about rights in this thread and the impact of being an athlete. If you want me to step on the landmine, I refuse to do it.
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I guess I'm having trouble following what you are getting at then.
 



ShushPush said:
I didn't say anything about Heupel and his staff. If I was talking about them, I would have named them. I was speaking about rights in this thread and the impact of being an athlete. If you want me to step on the landmine, I refuse to do it.
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It’s pretty hard to argue that the players don’t have enough rights at this point and that the impact of being an athlete isn’t compensated well enough.
 

LakevilleBro said:
I read today that he wants more money, than Brock Purdy's lifetime NFL earnings.
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ShushPush said:
To be a college athlete in basketball is time demanding. It takes away from academic focus with demanding training schedules, competitions, travel which may iimpact missed classes and even impact demanding academic interests. No way they can pursue internships. There is evidence that it impacts how they construct their social relationships. Sports impact their health with injuries, which can impact future opportunities. The simple fact that athletes miss out on discovering other hobbies of interest outside of sports is well documented. If a kid decides to go to the portal, they may be looking for ways to fill in the gaps of their life. Instead of putting up a barrier to other opportunities, we should help them identify which gaps they are trying to fill and help them fulfill it. I get sick of the no-thought jackasses who want to penalize these kids even more by yanking scholarships if they start looking elsewhere. It usually means they don't like how things are going and are trying to solve those issues. Instead of putting up another barrier, a leader would ask how they can make their situation more tolerable. I think Medved and Fleck know this is true in their players lives. I think you develop loyalty when you see a real human being across from you and you treat them like they have human interests separate from your own with respect. Otherwise, you're a dink and a miserable cuss.
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You waver back and forth between treating athletes like employees and treating them like our children.

I have every right to shop around my services but if my firm found out I was shopping around, my email would be cut off and id be terminated immediately. I’m at “at-will” employee and they are an “at-will” employer. They wouldn’t care all the hobbies I’ve missed building my book.

You should probably pick - treat them like enoloyees or treat them like your kids.
 

Gophers1992 said:
How do you know Heupel and his staff didn't try to work with this kid and fill those gaps? All indications seem to be that he (with the help of his dad) wanted to hold Tennessee up at gunpoint for more money. Tennessee made the choice that they don't want him on the roster. He made the choices, he gets to live with the consequences.

Nobody is forcing him to be a college athlete, he is free to give up football and pay tuition and forgo millions of dollars. Yes it is demanding, and in some ways risky to be a college athlete, but he also had/still has the opportunity to reap a lot of rewards from it.

And call him a kid all you want, but he is a grown adult doing very lucrative work. Zero sympathy for him, and that's coming from someone who is very pro-NIL.
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That's kind of where I am. I used to be somewhat protective of college athletes because they are kids. They may still be kids but when you start making 10x-15x the amount of money that my wife and I make a year you no longer get the kid treatment.

If college coaches were smart they would blackball him. Major props to the Oregon coach for letting Tennessee know.
 

Nobody wants to deal with him or his dad. His career is over. Typical story about what "I" am worth fantasy. He might get on with somebody but it won't be a top program where he has a chance to win.
 

This whole situation brings up memories of the Maurice Clarett situation at Ohio State 20 yrs ago.
 

MNfootballfan said:
That's kind of where I am. I used to be somewhat protective of college athletes because they are kids. They may still be kids but when you start making 10x-15x the amount of money that my wife and I make a year you no longer get the kid treatment.

If college coaches were smart they would blackball him. Major props to the Oregon coach for letting Tennessee know.
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I think you have to be careful about lumping all college athletes together. Most are good kids, playing a sport they love while going to school preparing for life after sports.

What we hear about most are cases like this one where the kid is clearly trying to extort as much as he can from the team and since there is always some coach out there willing to give players what they want in an effort to win he will end up coming out just fine.

Only way to stop stuff like this would be all high level schools agreeing not to cave but we all know that is never going to happen.
 


nsmike said:
This whole situation brings up memories of the Maurice Clarett situation at Ohio State 20 yrs ago.
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I could be wrong but I thought Clarett essentially challenged the NCAA's rule against FR declaring for the draft because he was already kicked out of school. I thought he was pretty happy with the money Ohio State was paying him at the time :). I don't think he left to get more money. He took a pay cut.

I'm not getting political here, just an interesting nugget of information. When Clarett sued to be able to join the NFL draft, the district court first ruled in his favor but that ruling was overturned by the US Court of Appeals and one of the justices in that ruling was Justice Sonia Sotomayor. She ruled against Clarett and Mike Williams because the NFLPA was also in favor of the NFL's decision to not allow them to enter the draft. She, oddly enough, is also the judge (as a district court judge) who ruled against the owners to essentially end the baseball strike in 1995.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I could be wrong but I thought Clarett essentially challenged the NCAA's rule against FR declaring for the draft because he was already kicked out of school. I thought he was pretty happy with the money Ohio State was paying him at the time :). I don't think he left to get more money. He took a pay cut.

I'm not getting political here, just an interesting nugget of information. When Clarett sued to be able to join the NFL draft, the district court first ruled in his favor but that ruling was overturned by the US Court of Appeals and one of the justices in that ruling was Justice Sonia Sotomayor. She ruled against Clarett and Mike Williams because the NFLPA was also in favor of the NFL's decision to not allow them to enter the draft. She, oddly enough, is also the judge (as a district court judge) who ruled against the owners to essentially end the baseball strike in 1995.
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The similarity is that, Clarett was in a much worse position afterward, and it appears Lamaleva will also be in a much worse position.
 


btowngopher said:
It’s pretty hard to argue that the players don’t have enough rights at this point and that the impact of being an athlete isn’t compensated well enough.
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From one perspective it is self-evident. I have been looking at other perspectives and it tells me a whole new dimension. Yet it is hard to disagree with you.
 






Bobek said:
He has lost any locker room.
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Not an adult locker room.

So you're saying if an NFL player holds out for money then gets signed he will lose respect from the players?

No, they know it's business and the college players today also know it's business.
 

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