Hoffarber killed us

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Nort73 said:
Well Sampson didn't play well the whole game (5 TOs :confused:). Rodney only played well for maybe a half. He was more aggressive at the end which was nice to see. Colton didn't play well. Hollins was the only Freshman who played well. And that pretty much leaves us at Hoff, who played great for 38 minutes and horribly the last two.

So it's all his fault?

Makes sense.

EDIT - Forgot Mbakwe. He's a beast.
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Colt had a very nice line- 9 boards- 7 assists - 7 points
 



bga1 said:
Colt had a very nice line- 9 boards- 7 assists - 7 points
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Good catch, I stand corrected. I looked at his stats with about 12 minutes left in the 2nd half and he wasn't doing much. He must have picked it up, which is nice to see. Hopefully he can put it together like that for a whole game.
 




MRJ said:
Hate to break it to ya, but it doesn't take much insight to notice that we lack a point guard right now.
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Al Nolen is a very fine PG but he broke his foot. HE'S the PG but not able to play due to injury.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Al Nolen is a very fine PG but he broke his foot. HE'S the PG but not able to play due to injury.
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I know. I was simply attempting to reiterate our lack of a quality point guard that is currently healthy and playing.
 

Well, I guess we should just revoke his *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing scholarship then. THose two minutes defined his career. Being the only reason he was even able to blow the game means nothing. Matching Battle shot for shot means nothing. Those two minutes count more. I mean, how dumb is he for making 6 three-pointers and being the only guard and shooter on the floor most of the game? How dumb is he for singlehandedly allowing the one guy on PSU who you need to guard outside the the three point line to shoot all those shots? Certainly the coach couldn't come up with a strategy to try to netralize Battle. Let's just leave it up to Hoffarber, who is slower, and a weak zone. If only Hoffarber had shot less and used a few pump fakes tonight, we would have won by 20.

Also, that three he took was not forced. It was the best shot we could ask for in that situation. He happened to miss it. Oh, and how dare he cause Hollins to travel while unguarded 30 feet from the basket? That was just as costly a TO, and both were clearly Hoffarber's fault.

Also, I thought Iverson played one of the best games of his life tonight. I don't understand whoever is complaining about him.

This game sucked. We should have won and didn't. We've lost a lot more of these down to the finish games than we've won. There are many many factors. Considering our coach, I'd like to win more of these games than lose. That is all.
 



it was like playing the prevent in football, trying not to lose instead of balls out to win
 

The team melted down at the end of the game and Blake certainly was a large part of that. I would say that you should take another look at Battle 3 that put PSU up one. There was penetration in to the lane off transition and Rodney is trailing the play. Rodney identifies Battle, but then for some reason goes to the uncontested player in the corner. The ball goes out to the guy in the corner who immediately passes it to Battle for the open 3. I think that it was Rodney who should have stayed with Battle in that situation and expecting Blake to be able to close out from where he was on the court is unrealistic.
 

Seems like an out of character post from FTB. Hoffarber didn't do well defensively (along with most of the team - I could defend better than our perimeter players in our zone), but he certainly wasn't the reason we lost. One player is never the reason a team loses. 1 play or short stretch is never the reason a team loses. I know, the end is what counts, but there were plenty of other big mistakes near the end that cost us as well. Hoffarber hit a number of big threes when we were down. Ralph was certainly the most frustrating player tonight. I would've liked to have seen a little more of Chip and maybe even Rodney tonight. We could've used some more Chip instant offense. Rodney quietly had a solid game considering the minutes he played.
 

EG#9 said:
The team melted down at the end of the game and Blake certainly was a large part of that. I would say that you should take another look at Battle 3 that put PSU up one. There was penetration in to the lane off transition and Rodney is trailing the play. Rodney identifies Battle, but then for some reason goes to the uncontested player in the corner. The ball goes out to the guy in the corner who immediately passes it to Battle for the open 3. I think that it was Rodney who should have stayed with Battle in that situation and expecting Blake to be able to close out from where he was on the court is unrealistic.
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Rodney was in a no-win situation there. That was a team D breakdown.
 



underground629 said:
Seems like an out of character post from FTB. Hoffarber didn't do well defensively (along with most of the team - I could defend better than our perimeter players in our zone), but he certainly wasn't the reason we lost. One player is never the reason a team loses. 1 play or short stretch is never the reason a team loses. I know, the end is what counts, but there were plenty of other big mistakes near the end that cost us as well. Hoffarber hit a number of big threes when we were down. Ralph was certainly the most frustrating player tonight. I would've liked to have seen a little more of Chip and maybe even Rodney tonight. We could've used some more Chip instant offense. Rodney quietly had a solid game considering the minutes he played.
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Just want to clarify one thing. The primary reason that our 2/3 zone doesn't work is because of the lack of quickness that the bottom 3 have when Colt/RSIII/Mbakwe are down there. Combine that with Hoff (who isn't the quickest of SG's or a defensive specialist) and Rodney (long, but not a defensive specialist) and there is just an overall lack of speed/aggressiveness. The guards end up having to guard way to much space and end up cheating toward the areas where they know the bottom guy is going to be a step slow. This puts everyone out of position and leaves open players/space.

I would be curious to watch tape and count the number of 3's that were taken on a swing to the corner that Colt was defending (this started in the Indiana game). Or a skip pass from Colt's side back to the top of the key. I am not really a Dan Dakich fan, but at halftime his comments about how slow our zone was couldn't have been more accurate.
 

MJGopher said:
Just want to clarify one thing. The primary reason that our 2/3 zone doesn't work is because of the lack of quickness that the bottom 3 have when Colt/RSIII/Mbakwe are down there. Combine that with Hoff (who isn't the quickest of SG's or a defensive specialist) and Rodney (long, but not a defensive specialist) and there is just an overall lack of speed/aggressiveness. The guards end up having to guard way to much space and end up cheating toward the areas where they know the bottom guy is going to be a step slow. This puts everyone out of position and leaves open players/space.

I would be curious to watch tape and count the number of 3's that were taken on a swing to the corner that Colt was defending (this started in the Indiana game). Or a skip pass from Colt's side back to the top of the key. I am not really a Dan Dakich fan, but at halftime his comments about how slow our zone was couldn't have been more accurate.
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Agreed. The 2-3 zone can be good for a little time, but mostly when Hollins and Chip are in there. We CANNOT continue to rely on it with a big lineup. In fact, we shouldn't be playing the big lineup very much at all, in my opinion. It doesn't help us rebound, it doesn't get us that many inside looks, and it kills our D. And yes, I know that as a result, we'll have to play Chip and Austin more (both of whom have made some major rookie mistakes the last few games) but so be it.
 

MRJ said:
Hate to break it to ya, but it doesn't take much insight to notice that we lack a point guard right now.
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Don't worry, you weren't breaking anything to me. The comment was in reference to Souhan and his comments.
 


Hoffarber killed us

“Without Ger…Blake Hoffarber we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games. Not ten. We wouldn't even be here to even have a chance to go to the NCAA. … It's the most bull-- I've seen in 30 years, especially in our own board. Ignorant blog posters. Let that blog poster come up to me and say that. ESPN awarded him an ESPY, but ESPN don't know s-- I guess.”
 

baseball_stud said:
haha crazy talk...yes he had a bad TO at the end but I couldnt imagine this team without hoffarber. Take away the only guy on this team that can shoot and things would get very ugly..bottom 2 or 3 in big ten
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Hate to break it to ya, but since Nolen went out, Iowa is worse than us and that is it. We are currently the second easiest beat in the BigTen. It really hurts not having a single person on the floor that can penetrate. Blake is a great player, but he is a 2 guard that is more of a spot up shooter.
Also, defensively, I am not sure there is a team that is worse. It is terribly funny to see how many offensive boards we give up with supposedly the biggest and best frontline in the BigTen. Like others have also pointed out, we are VERY slow in the backcourt and that is most the reason teams just kill us on the perimeter.
IMO, Blake also looked tired at the end of the game. The guy has been playing almost the entire game since Nolen went down and he has been the one working the hardest the entire time out there. It is too bad because the guy is the perfect #2 guard. Not having a point guard turns this teams from a top 20 team in the nation, to an NIT squad. Sucks.:(
 

Go Gophs said:
Hate to break it to ya, but since Nolen went out, Iowa is worse than us and that is it. We are currently the second easiest beat in the BigTen. It really hurts not having a single person on the floor that can penetrate. Blake is a great player, but he is a 2 guard that is more of a spot up shooter.
Also, defensively, I am not sure there is a team that is worse. It is terribly funny to see how many offensive boards we give up with supposedly the biggest and best frontline in the BigTen. Like others have also pointed out, we are VERY slow in the backcourt and that is most the reason teams just kill us on the perimeter.
IMO, Blake also looked tired at the end of the game. The guy has been playing almost the entire game since Nolen went down and he has been the one working the hardest the entire time out there. It is too bad because the guy is the perfect #2 guard. Not having a point guard turns this teams from a top 20 team in the nation, to an NIT squad. Sucks.:(
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I'm not giving up hope yet, but if we are NIT bound, it will be because of our lack of a point guard. And I hate to keep bringing it up, but it makes me even more angry at a certain combo guard, who I won't mention by name for fear of bringing USAF out of the woodwork. If a certain person hadn't been a gutless quitter/depraved drug addict, we'd still be a top 25 team with a very good chance to be a sweet 16 type team.
 


I am not giving up either and we may still get it. Fact is though, if we had been playing all year with the team we have now, there is about a .0001% chance we would even be on the bubble. Good thing we got those good wins early in the year. They are what will hold us up if we are still bubbly at the end of the season.
We need Nolen back plain and simple. If he is even remotely close to being ready, he needs to man up and get on the floor as soon as possible. Come on big Al.
 

station19 said:
Don't worry, you weren't breaking anything to me. The comment was in reference to Souhan and his comments.
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Oh, I know that you know that we have a point guard issue. I simply meant that Souhan stating it was hardly ground breaking stuff from him. Sorry for the confusion. :eek:
 

From the Barn said:
Forced three, doesn't get out on Battle, horrible turnover.
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you should know by now that you cant rip hoff. blake could launch the ball from the half court line every time up the court and he would still be above criticism.

1)he isnt a point guard
-so who cares if he makes a bad pass, its not his fault!
-he cant dribble, its not his fault he isnt a pg
-w/o his shooting we would be terrible, not his fault he has forced 3's in bad situations!
-so what if he cant defend anyone, its not his fault
2)he is a shooter
-no one else can shoot on this team so its ok for blake to force bad shots
3)its devoes fault for quitting
-cant believe a kid that was unhappy in his situation would quit
4)nolen screwed us with his injury
-i remember people hating on nolen last season and early this season, i was always confused about that.
5)sampson is soft
-cant blame blake for anything so lets blame ralph for being a finesse big man who is soft around the bucket
6) iverson
-terrible hands, terrible footwork, all around terrible
7) tubby
-puts too many big men on the floor
-plays too much zone(reason is we dont have nolen to guard the opponents best guard-blake cant do it)
-poor recruiting(justin cobbs, royce white, paul carter, & devoe all transferred, maybe its more on the coach than the player?)


this team doesnt win or lose with or without one guy. blake has been great but he has also been terrible and that goes for everyone playing! if tubby can keep guys from transferring we have an outstanding roster. i think this season is all but lost. but i have seen things out of rodney these last 2-3 games that is getting me excited for his future. makes a guy wonder if nolen doesnt get hurt and blake is still at the sg with an aggressive rodney(or a getting more aggressive rodney) what this team could have done.

lets all try to lay off on all these guys, all of their games are affected w/o nolen on the floor and tubbys coaching is also affected.
 

Does Blake deserve some blame for what happened in the offense the last couple minutes? Sure but they all do.

There is a ton of blame to go around for those last three plays. It wasn't Blake's fault on the third to last possession that the screen wasn't set in the right spot. There was a travel, there were a couple timing problems, there's a lot of stuff going on and you can't pin it on one guy when a team doesn't execute on the final three possessions and loses by three.

The loss is on the team. A team that was in the game because partly because their shooting guard moved over to the point guard spot and not only scored but also dished out seven assists against two turnovers.

Colton Iverson was bad? Are you kidding me? Were you not paying attention? He rebounded like a beast, put two PSU starting players on the bench in the first half getting two fouls on each of them, he was a key to good ball movement and he had seven assists, he worked his tail off on both ends. Yes he missed a couple shots and had trouble on the bottom wing of the zone but he still played quite hard. And I said this on GI, how many 6-foot-11 260 pound centers have "consistently defend the wing" in their job description?
 

Agreed. I just mentioned the perimeter guys because that's what I played. Iverson's closing speed is obviously a major concern for our 3 point defense. The perimeter players have a lot of space to defend but they're still really slow to react and close. It seems that players often cheat over too far and get close to their other defender when it's not necessary, leaving another player wide open.

MJGopher said:
Just want to clarify one thing. The primary reason that our 2/3 zone doesn't work is because of the lack of quickness that the bottom 3 have when Colt/RSIII/Mbakwe are down there. Combine that with Hoff (who isn't the quickest of SG's or a defensive specialist) and Rodney (long, but not a defensive specialist) and there is just an overall lack of speed/aggressiveness. The guards end up having to guard way to much space and end up cheating toward the areas where they know the bottom guy is going to be a step slow. This puts everyone out of position and leaves open players/space.

I would be curious to watch tape and count the number of 3's that were taken on a swing to the corner that Colt was defending (this started in the Indiana game). Or a skip pass from Colt's side back to the top of the key. I am not really a Dan Dakich fan, but at halftime his comments about how slow our zone was couldn't have been more accurate.
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Thank you. That pretty much sums it up.

Ryan James said:
Does Blake deserve some blame for what happened in the offense the last couple minutes? Sure but they all do.

There is a ton of blame to go around for those last three plays. It wasn't Blake's fault on the third to last possession that the screen wasn't set in the right spot. There was a travel, there were a couple timing problems, there's a lot of stuff going on and you can't pin it on one guy when a team doesn't execute on the final three possessions and loses by three.

The loss is on the team. A team that was in the game because partly because their shooting guard moved over to the point guard spot and not only scored but also dished out seven assists against two turnovers.

Colton Iverson was bad? Are you kidding me? Were you not paying attention? He rebounded like a beast, put two PSU starting players on the bench in the first half getting two fouls on each of them, he was a key to good ball movement and he had seven assists, he worked his tail off on both ends. Yes he missed a couple shots and had trouble on the bottom wing of the zone but he still played quite hard. And I said this on GI, how many 6-foot-11 260 pound centers have "consistently defend the wing" in their job description?
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underground629 said:
Agreed. I just mentioned the perimeter guys because that's what I played. Iverson's closing speed is obviously a major concern for our 3 point defense. The perimeter players have a lot of space to defend but they're still really slow to react and close. It seems that players often cheat over too far and get close to their other defender when it's not necessary, leaving another player wide open.
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I am with you Underground. I also played the perimeter as a PG, and honestly, I preferred man-to-man over a 2/3. I felt as a guard in a 2/3, I had more ground to cover than if I could just man up on someone and I felt it took away some of my aggressiveness. I also know what it was like to have a slower person (i.e. Colt) on the bottom on my side. You always knew that the recovery from that player would be a step slow, so there were times when I tried to cheat that way.

Colt played a great game last night, but he very much is out of position on the bottom wing of a 2/3 zone. And, as you mention, our guards (w/out Al) are very slow to react and close. I think that they can still utilize the 2/3 zone this year with the current roster, but it should be a more situational setup, rather than our base defense.
 

Holy BeJesus Martha. When we win, all of the guys were super. When we lose, we blame the whole *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing loss on one guy? :banghead: :horse: :drink: :confused: :drink: some more.
 

Ryan James said:
Does Blake deserve some blame for what happened in the offense the last couple minutes? Sure but they all do.

There is a ton of blame to go around for those last three plays. It wasn't Blake's fault on the third to last possession that the screen wasn't set in the right spot. There was a travel, there were a couple timing problems, there's a lot of stuff going on and you can't pin it on one guy when a team doesn't execute on the final three possessions and loses by three.

The loss is on the team. A team that was in the game because partly because their shooting guard moved over to the point guard spot and not only scored but also dished out seven assists against two turnovers.

Colton Iverson was bad? Are you kidding me? Were you not paying attention? He rebounded like a beast, put two PSU starting players on the bench in the first half getting two fouls on each of them, he was a key to good ball movement and he had seven assists, he worked his tail off on both ends. Yes he missed a couple shots and had trouble on the bottom wing of the zone but he still played quite hard. And I said this on GI, how many 6-foot-11 260 pound centers have "consistently defend the wing" in their job description?
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Blake Hoffarber hit 6 of 13 3-pt FGA for 18 points and made 7 assists but only 2 turnovers. He deserves CREDIT not blame.
 

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