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http://www.startribune.com/sports/p...EyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUgOy9cP3DieyckcUsI

First things first on the Seantrel Henderson front: the 6-8, 340-pound offensive tackle remains a signed recruit at USC.

For now.

We also know that Henderson is playing AAU basketball this summer, but when it comes to talking football he's not game. Even if you ask him.

Besides that? Who knows.

Speculation has been out there for nearly two weeks that Henderson, who committed to the Trojans in February, wavered, then eventually signed March 22, is not exactly thrilled with the idea of staying with USC now that the huge NCAA sanctions have been announced. Rumors abound insist that coach Lane Kiffin has flown to the Twin Cities to meet with Henderson - who may or may not right now be missing orientation - for reassurance.

Stuff is out there, though nothing really says much at all.

Here's one rumor, posted just today. And another.

Remember, though. Take all of this with a grain of salt, folks.

The big problem for Henderson? Getting out of a signed National Letter of Intent is tough. The big problem for those who really want to know what is going on? Confirming all of this is tougher than a grilled ribeye leftover from last weekend. No one is talking. In addition to refusing comment at AAU hoops games, the Henderson family has not returned repeated messages seeking comment - even a simple "yes" or "no" - on Seantrel's commitment to the Trojans.

USC? Nothing from out there, either. Asked to check if Henderson is supposed to be in L.A. right now for classes or orientation, a seven-word e-mail returned:

"I don't have an answer for you."

Obviously, something is up. This "news" is making the rounds, and "experts" out there all seem to think Henderson is going somewhere else for his college career.
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I lol'd, serves him right.
 

I care. I hope he doesn't come to SC. As of today, my sources say he is not at SC nor enrolled. Rumor is he will be at SC next week. Hope not. He is big, but a big prima donna. Ohh the drama! Why doesn't he go to Ohio State or Miami?
 

No answer usually means he's leaving. I'd welcome him back with open arms.
 

I feel for the guy too. He's a young guy with a talent that has given him a great opportunity. He obviously got caught up in the recruiting game and probably wasn't given good advice from his dad. On top of that it seems the Kiffins lied to him and his dad (judging from his dad's quotes when the signed the letter of intent).

What I don't get is why the NCAA won't let this year's USC recruits out of their commitments, especially if they haven't attended class.
 

WAGopher said:
I feel for the guy too. He's a young guy with a talent that has given him a great opportunity. He obviously got caught up in the recruiting game and probably wasn't given good advice from his dad. On top of that it seems the Kiffins lied to him and his dad (judging from his dad's quotes when the signed the letter of intent).

What I don't get is why the NCAA won't let this year's USC recruits out of their commitments, especially if they haven't attended class.
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Why would Kiffen (and assistant Orgeon) come back to USC if they felt there would be these serious sanctions against SC? Both coaches were at SC when the so called transgressions took place. Shouldn't they have known what went down? The NCAA says they should. Yet, if they knew, why did Kiffen and "O" leave the "dream" job at Rocky Top? Seems like Kiffen told the kid what he believed about the upcoming sanctions, not a lie. Kiffen made his career move to USC, in part, based on what he believed about the situation at SC with the NCAA.. How would he be lying about what he believed? I fail to follow your logic. Your logic says Kiffen left TennASSee knowing that there would be major NCAA sanctions and lied to all SC recruits. (Remember this issue about NCAA sanctions was not a story unique to Seantrelle's recruiting. It came up with every recruit Kiffen spoke with.) Yet Seantrelle's kooky family is the only ones supposedly lied to. But didn't they say they wanted to wait for an NCAA report before signing? USC said, fine but Seantrelle signed anyway without hearing from the NCAA. You can't have it both ways. This kid and his family are a head case. Some psych department should use them as a case study in abnormal psychology. Apparently you believe them since you said, "judging from the dad's quotes". Seems like a shaky witness to base your conclusion. You apparently haven't logically thought this through because you believe Seantrelle's dad. Now he is reliable! Who cares about logic, its for rational beings not fans. I forgot this was a fan site. Sorry for dragging logic in.
 


Cardinal203212333115Gold said:
Why would Kiffen (and assistant Orgeon) come back to USC if they felt there would be these serious sanctions against SC? Both coaches were at SC when the so called transgressions took place. Shouldn't they have known what went down? The NCAA says they should. Yet, if they knew, why did Kiffen and "O" leave the "dream" job at Rocky Top? Seems like Kiffen told the kid what he believed about the upcoming sanctions, not a lie. Kiffen made his career move to USC, in part, based on what he believed about the situation at SC with the NCAA.. How would he be lying about what he believed? I fail to follow your logic. Your logic says Kiffen left TennASSee knowing that there would be major NCAA sanctions and lied to all SC recruits. (Remember this issue about NCAA sanctions was not a story unique to Seantrelle's recruiting. It came up with every recruit Kiffen spoke with.) Yet Seantrelle's kooky family is the only ones supposedly lied to. But didn't they say they wanted to wait for an NCAA report before signing? USC said, fine but Seantrelle signed anyway without hearing from the NCAA. You can't have it both ways. This kid and his family are a head case. Some psych department should use them as a case study in abnormal psychology. Apparently you believe them since you said, "judging from the dad's quotes". Seems like a shaky witness to base your conclusion. You apparently haven't logically thought this through because you believe Seantrelle's dad. Now he is reliable! Who cares about logic, its for rational beings not fans. I forgot this was a fan site. Sorry for dragging logic in.
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Kiffin is a lying piece of crap.

Learn how to spell the kids name right.

Your post makes no sense. which "both ways"?
 


Cardinal203212333115Gold said:
Why would Kiffen (and assistant Orgeon) come back to USC if they felt there would be these serious sanctions against SC? Both coaches were at SC when the so called transgressions took place. Shouldn't they have known what went down? The NCAA says they should. Yet, if they knew, why did Kiffen and "O" leave the "dream" job at Rocky Top? Seems like Kiffen told the kid what he believed about the upcoming sanctions, not a lie. Kiffen made his career move to USC, in part, based on what he believed about the situation at SC with the NCAA.. How would he be lying about what he believed? I fail to follow your logic. Your logic says Kiffen left TennASSee knowing that there would be major NCAA sanctions and lied to all SC recruits. (Remember this issue about NCAA sanctions was not a story unique to Seantrelle's recruiting. It came up with every recruit Kiffen spoke with.) Yet Seantrelle's kooky family is the only ones supposedly lied to. But didn't they say they wanted to wait for an NCAA report before signing? USC said, fine but Seantrelle signed anyway without hearing from the NCAA. You can't have it both ways. This kid and his family are a head case. Some psych department should use them as a case study in abnormal psychology. Apparently you believe them since you said, "judging from the dad's quotes". Seems like a shaky witness to base your conclusion. You apparently haven't logically thought this through because you believe Seantrelle's dad. Now he is reliable! Who cares about logic, its for rational beings not fans. I forgot this was a fan site. Sorry for dragging logic in.
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If Lane Kiffin was never part of USC's recent program, then he would only know what the AD was telling him. But, that's not the case and Kiffin was at USC when some of the violations occurred and were investigated. You may not have known about Sean Henderson's quotes right after his son signed his letter of intent; Sean basically said that Lane Kiffin assured him no sanctions were forthcoming. At that time Kiffin lied because there was no way he could know what the NCAA would do. And if he did know, then he still lied.
 

bankonit said:
Kiffin is a lying piece of crap.

Learn how to spell the kids name right.

Your post makes no sense. which "both ways"?
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A spelling error? Is that your issue? How trivial, would you like to address any points I made? But then the kid has such a common name, your point is so on spot. Show me the quote where Kiffin lied. The reason you didn't understand "both ways" is that is a point of logic.
 



Cardinal, you aren't going to get too much support here for the integrity of Kiffin. He is, at worst, a decent coach and a great recruiter. That said, the perception is that his recruiting can be a bit underhanded. People are going to take that precept, and assume that he lied to recruits.

That said, I agree with you that it is unfair to call him a liar in this instance. USC was nailed for lack of institutional control. I, and many others, believe this is probably the case. The reaction before and after the sanctions by your AD, Kiffin, many in your fanbase, etc., leads me to believe that they consider the infractions that have been occurring at USC to be the norm. It is a delusional thought process, and one that has to change if USC wants to avoid an even heavier hammer to come down in the future. So, Kiffin may have represented the truth as he saw it, but if so, his perception was a break from reality. For some, this begs the question whether or not he lied - how could he not know the severity of the sanctions, and to land the stud recruits he did, how could he have not lied to get them to sign on the dotted line?
 

hyaluronic said:
For some, this begs the question whether or not he lied - how could he not know the severity of the sanctions, and to land the stud recruits he did, how could he have not lied to get them to sign on the dotted line?
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I don't call people liars without some thought. In this case Kiffin told the Henderson's that there weren't going to be any sanctions, something he couldn't possible know. If Sean Henderson mis-represented what Kiffin said, then I'll stand corrected.
 

Lying requires that he knowingly told Sean information that was not true. It is entirely plausible that Kiffin believed there would be no sanctions. This could be consistent with the conclusion of 'lack of institutional control' by the NCAA.
 

Per Charlie Walters

DONT PRINT THAT

Latest word is that Cretin-Derham Hall grad Seantrel Henderson, who was assured by new Southern California football coach Lane Kiffin during recruitment that USC would not receive serious NCAA penalties, is balking at his commitment and now leaning toward Miami, even though he would have to sit out a transfer season.
 



I know some people pretty close to Henderson (I went to Cretin and am still close with the program and some of the coaches), and it sounds as if he is extremely annoyed about being lied to by Kiffin. USC would still be his 1st choice and he hasn't ruled it out, but from what i've heard the way Kiffin went about the situation is what has irked the Hendersons.

Purely speculating, my buddy really doubts he ends up at USC (he doesn't claim to have inside info), but his hunches have been 100% correct with about every Cretin player he has speculated to me about.
 


Cardinal203212333115Gold said:
Why would Kiffen (and assistant Orgeon) come back to USC if they felt there would be these serious sanctions against SC? Both coaches were at SC when the so called transgressions took place. Shouldn't they have known what went down? The NCAA says they should. Yet, if they knew, why did Kiffen and "O" leave the "dream" job at Rocky Top? Seems like Kiffen told the kid what he believed about the upcoming sanctions, not a lie. Kiffen made his career move to USC, in part, based on what he believed about the situation at SC with the NCAA.. How would he be lying about what he believed? I fail to follow your logic. Your logic says Kiffen left TennASSee knowing that there would be major NCAA sanctions and lied to all SC recruits. (Remember this issue about NCAA sanctions was not a story unique to Seantrelle's recruiting. It came up with every recruit Kiffen spoke with.) Yet Seantrelle's kooky family is the only ones supposedly lied to. But didn't they say they wanted to wait for an NCAA report before signing? USC said, fine but Seantrelle signed anyway without hearing from the NCAA. You can't have it both ways. This kid and his family are a head case. Some psych department should use them as a case study in abnormal psychology. Apparently you believe them since you said, "judging from the dad's quotes". Seems like a shaky witness to base your conclusion. You apparently haven't logically thought this through because you believe Seantrelle's dad. Now he is reliable! Who cares about logic, its for rational beings not fans. I forgot this was a fan site. Sorry for dragging logic in.
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This part is true. As one of the top recruits in the country (if not THE top recruit), he could have waited as long as he wanted. For whatever reason, he signed before the penalties were announced. He knew the risk and he went ahead anyway. It's on him.
 

We can talk about this kid until we're blue in the face, but it's more likely than not that Henderson will never be qualified academically. If you've known for a half-decade or more that you will be an elite football prospect and you haven't been bothered to actually try in the classroom that whole time, why will you all of the sudden do so now, in the last months, when you're guaranteed a free education if you could just pull your head out and put in a little work?

Doesn't really matter where he will/wants/may/should/could/would go to, he won't be admitted there anyway.
 

dpodoll68 said:
We can talk about this kid until we're blue in the face, but it's more likely than not that Henderson will never be qualified academically. If you've known for a half-decade or more that you will be an elite football prospect and you haven't been bothered to actually try in the classroom that whole time, why will you all of the sudden do so now, in the last months, when you're guaranteed a free education if you could just pull your head out and put in a little work?

Doesn't really matter where he will/wants/may/should/could/would go to, he won't be admitted there anyway.
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Maybe it has nothing to do with effort. He could just be stupid.
 

Come back home Seantrel! Tubby and Coach Brew will find a spot for you!
 

Cardinal203212333115Gold said:
A spelling error? Is that your issue? How trivial, would you like to address any points I made? But then the kid has such a common name, your point is so on spot. Show me the quote where Kiffin lied. The reason you didn't understand "both ways" is that is a point of logic.
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We here in Minnesota take our spelling very seriously. If you don't show proper respect by spelling words correctly and using proper grammar and usage... well, I can't even imagine what we'll do to you.
 

hyaluronic said:
Cardinal, you aren't going to get too much support here for the integrity of Kiffin. He is, at worst, a decent coach and a great recruiter. That said, the perception is that his recruiting can be a bit underhanded. People are going to take that precept, and assume that he lied to recruits.
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Pretty sure you meant ´at best´. Personally, I think he´s probably a terrible coach and good recruiter who happens to be the offspring of a legend of defensive innovation.

But anyway, whether or not LK lied is a moot point. The Hendersons could easily have investigated the evidence against USC. Most of it was public record. They gambled that the NCAA wouldn´t have the balls to come down hard on USC (either that or they took Lane´s word---the word of a guy on his 3rd job in 3 years. That is just flat out moronic).

If anyone wants to know where Seantrel ends up, I would suggest paying attention to which Hip-Hip lumninaries Sean is seen to be reaching out to. Word is he was partying with Luda, and plans to move to the ATL and lead block for the bback at Georgia Tech.
 

Can't USC not release him to certain schools? If so, I'd assume they would want him at Minnesota and not OSU or Miami.
 



WAGopher said:
What I don't get is why the NCAA won't let this year's USC recruits out of their commitments, especially if they haven't attended class.
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Well if the NCAA did release them from their commitments, then big-name recruits to other big-name schools under investigation wouldn't really care about committing to a program under investigation. I guess this is a implicit suggestion by the NCAA to future recruits that they better be careful before committing to a program under investigation.

You would think incoming players would be allowed to explore other options if school hadn't started yet.... If I were a big-time recruit I would certainly avoid schools under investigation in the future.
 

Studwell55 said:
Can't USC not release him to certain schools? If so, I'd assume they would want him at Minnesota and not OSU or Miami.
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I don't think you can release him to certain schools. I think you either release him or you don't. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 

well im not sure if other conferences do this but remember when the badgers restricted kim roysten's choices?
 

In case you were wondering, College Football Live on ESPN just mentioned that he hasn't shown up to campus and is likely to go to Miami...
 

Henderson's dad is a tool.
Henderson is an academic risk.
Henderson does not finish run blocks.
Henderson looked mediocre against elite pass rushers at the US Army AA game.
Henderson comes across as a diva.


I would take him in a second.
 

Ski-U-Mah24 said:
well im not sure if other conferences do this but remember when the badgers restricted kim roysten's choices?
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Miami limited the schools that Robert Marve would be released to as well.
 

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