Henderson

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Studwell55 said:
Can't USC not release him to certain schools? If so, I'd assume they would want him at Minnesota and not OSU or Miami.
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The only schools off limits to USC players are other Pac-Ten schools, fyi.
 

hyaluronic said:
Lying requires that he knowingly told Sean information that was not true. It is entirely plausible that Kiffin believed there would be no sanctions. This could be consistent with the conclusion of 'lack of institutional control' by the NCAA.
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that is laughable, Lane was at USC and participated in the cheating. He knew exactly what was going on and Pete leaving for the Seahawks says that everyone knew the hammer was coming down.
 

bankonit said:
that is laughable, Lane was at USC and participated in the cheating. He knew exactly what was going on and Pete leaving for the Seahawks says that everyone knew the hammer was coming down.
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I do not disagree with your conclusion, however, I am not expecting a USC fan to agree, and there is not enough definitive information to prove it.
 

AhliBobwa said:
The only schools off limits to USC players are other Pac-Ten schools, fyi.
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Yeah, I've always assumed it was that they couldn't sign within the conference unless they got a release. Wasn't it that Royston couldn't sign with other Big Ten teams until Wisconsin gave him his release?
 

GophersInIowa said:
Yeah, I've always assumed it was that they couldn't sign within the conference unless they got a release. Wasn't it that Royston couldn't sign with other Big Ten teams until Wisconsin gave him his release?
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Not sure if I have this right or not, but I believe that juniors and seniors may go to any school, even withing the PAC 10 without restrictions. No transfer year out, may receive scholarship, etc. I think it is the same for freshmen and sophomores, but they must sit out a year.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is the current situation.

On a side note; bwah ha ha. I like seeing cheaters get their karma right in the balloon knot.
 


GophersInIowa said:
Yeah, I've always assumed it was that they couldn't sign within the conference unless they got a release. Wasn't it that Royston couldn't sign with other Big Ten teams until Wisconsin gave him his release?
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They can't restrict where a player goes. Only the scholarships offered. I believe Kim is here on his own dime.
 

Schnoodler said:
They can't restrict where a player goes. Only the scholarships offered. I believe Kim is here on his own dime.
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They did restrict him from Big 10 schools as well as schools that were on their schedule in the next 3 years. He is a walk-on.
 

Royston is a walk on because you can't transfer within the Big Ten and be on scholarship.

The restriction only stopped him from contacting the coaches before he enrolled in school. Not a real difficult restriction to overcome.
 

GVBadger said:
Royston is a walk on because you can't transfer within the Big Ten and be on scholarship.

The restriction only stopped him from contacting the coaches before he enrolled in school. Not a real difficult restriction to overcome.
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You are right "The restriction only stopped him from contacting the coaches before he enrolled in school." and terribly wrong "Not a real difficult restriction to overcome"

The Big Ten rule prohibts an athlete who has recieved a scholarship from one Big Ten school from ever receiving a scholarship from another Big Ten school. The athlete must also sit one year (SEC to SEC 2-years). The NCAA transfer rule only requires the athlete to sit one season.

The school has the ability to restrict and athlete from contacting other schools prior to transfering by not giving the athlete a release to said school or schools. Here is how it works:

An athlete informs the school (coach) he wants to transfer. The athlete tells his existing school which schools he would like to speak too and the existing school (if it chooses) sends a release to that school that allows the coaches are someone in the athletic department to speak with the player. The athlete must sit 1-year but can receive a scholarship immediately (except innconference in the Big Ten).

If the school chooses not to give the athlete a release to the school or any schools then the athlete is not allowed to speak with anyone from the schools athletic program until the fall after school starts (the athlete of course must be a student at the school). Yes, that is correct. An athlete must gain admission and be a student and already attending classes before he or she can speak with the coaches to determine if the "program" is interested and if they will receive a scholarship (not innerconference). While the athlete can still choose to attend a school he/she was not released too he/she willl not be able to receive a scholarship for 1-year.

In the case of Kim "someone" in his family persuaded the NCAA to make an exception and allow him to speak with the coaches. He was allowed to speak with the staff only once (before the start of the next school year) and only after he was accepted/admitted as a student.

Call me silly but I don't think this is so easy to overcome.
 



Unregistered User said:
Wouldn't play this fall due to transfer rules.
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You are only a transfer if you showed up and attended class. He didn't. He could play at any school in the country this fall because he isn't a transfer.

A signed LOI only restricts your ability to accept aid at another institution for this year. If he were to go anywhere other than USC he would have to pay his own way (walk-on). However, USC could grant him a release which would free him up to accept aid elsewhere. If USC won't grant him a release he has the option to try to appeal that to the NCAA. I won't pretend to know what the NCAA would do.

Minnesota fans should be familiar with this. Kris Humphries signed a LOI with Duke but was released in May of his senior year and never sat out at Minnesota.
 



From the Pioneer Press today:

Psst: Seantrel Henderson, the 6-foot-8, 350-pound Cretin-Derham Hall offensive lineman who committed to Southern California before the Trojans were severely penalized by the NCAA, was in Miami on Saturday. The Hurricanes were believed to be Henderson's second choice behind USC, which has been futilely waiting for him to report.

Henderson would have to be released from his tender by USC to be eligible to play elsewhere next season. Evidence exists that USC coach Lane Kiffin assured Henderson there would be no major penalties for football, and that could be used in a waiver request to leave USC.


Hopefully that slime ball releases him..
 



unfortunately

this young man will never amount to anything in regards to football.
 

gopherjay said:
this young man will never amount to anything in regards to football.
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What a hateful and unknowledgeable thing to say. In terms of football, too this point he has already accomplished more than 99.9% than most 18 years olds who have played the game.:cool:
 

From EDSBS.com on Twitter:

edsbs: Seantrel Henderson allegedly going to Miami after leaving MN for USC. Seantrel Henderson fact: he must freaking HATE Minnesota. (about 2 hours ago from web)
 

get a cry towel

"What a hateful and unknowledgeable thing to say" I hope the kid ends up in Canton someday, I hope he makes more money than Tiger Woods, I hope he gets his degree and leads others to greatness. I also have been watching and reading college football for longer than most posters on this board have been alive and based on what I have seen an read with this situation, something will need to change for this young man very soon for him to succeed in a football career. No hate hear, just an opinion based on experience.
 

Ski U Master said:
From EDSBS.com on Twitter:

edsbs: Seantrel Henderson allegedly going to Miami after leaving MN for USC. Seantrel Henderson fact: he must freaking HATE Minnesota. (about 2 hours ago from web)
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What a ridiculous statement. It's obvious that Henderson wants to get out of MN and be in a program that has more national attention. He may hate Minnesota, but I don't think thats the case just because he doesn't want to play there.
 

This may be unfair as Seantrel hasn't comitted any crimes, but it's hard not to see parallels with Royce White at this point.
 

gopherjay said:
"What a hateful and unknowledgeable thing to say" I hope the kid ends up in Canton someday, I hope he makes more money than Tiger Woods, I hope he gets his degree and leads others to greatness. I also have been watching and reading college football for longer than most posters on this board have been alive and based on what I have seen an read with this situation, something will need to change for this young man very soon for him to succeed in a football career. No hate hear, just an opinion based on experience.
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I stand corrected, I did not know that I was speaking to someone such as yourself who has such a vast amount of knowledge and experience on the NCAA's inner workings of football in regard to scholarships and transferring. I am sure the length of time you have spent watching and reading college football has left you with a far broader scope and understanding than I could ever hope to garner.

My infantile understanding of the rules of college football led me to believe that SH's best route to go after signing the letter of intent was to not compound that mistake by registering and attending summer classes at USC. If he did that he would be forced to sit out a year if he decided to transfer. By not registering and attending classes, if USC doesn't give him an out right release he would still be eligible to play this year (on his own dime). I foolishly thought that if SH thought USC/Kiffin lied or misrepresented the situation to him, it would be in his best interest to go somewhere else.

My inexperience in these types of situations caused me to think that there is no hurry. For some reason I thought that since he was not eligible for the NFL for at least 3 more years and fall camp was 6 weeks away, that he could spend a little more time working things through. Wow what was I thinking? Iagree, he will never amount to anything in football (I know, I am such an a$$).:p
 

Henderson strikes me as a kid that has a passion for basketball

I have never really gotten the sense that Henderson is a big fan of playing football. He may like the game but doesn't seem to need it. On the contrary
the couple times I saw the dude play basketball you could really tell he loves the game of BBall a lot more. Even then, I think he even realizes his professional career likely is in the game of football. Those that take shot's about him washing out,I doubt it, he doesn't have the munchies and smoking habit or entitlement habit of Ashley. if you have paid attention, although he is thought to be a non-qualifier by some, I highly doubt that, that kind of information would have to come out by now and there are school's in line to welcome him to play football. The USC situation ended up being a lot worse than he was led to believe and by and individual Kiffin who has the reputation of being a bit of a turd and not really a man of his word.

Henderson, he seem's like a bright kid that has a touch of thing's come so easy to him that he doesn't alway's try or apply himself ,at least give 100 % in finishing plays in football. If I were to venture a guess, Miami is where he will end up as they were pretty close to finishing #1. Henderson's dad is a bit of a media hound that said he has alway's tried to look out for what he think's is his kid's number one goal and that is being prepared for a professional career in football. I don't think I can fault him for trying to look out for his kid, most would do the same.
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
I have never really gotten the sense that Henderson is a big fan of playing football. He may like the game but doesn't seem to need it. On the contrary
the couple times I saw the dude play basketball you could really tell he loves the game of BBall a lot more. Even then, I think he even realizes his professional career likely is in the game of football. Those that take shot's about him washing out,I doubt it, he doesn't have the munchies and smoking habit or entitlement habit of Ashley. if you have paid attention, although he is thought to be a non-qualifier by some, I highly doubt that, that kind of information would have to come out by now and there are school's in line to welcome him to play football. The USC situation ended up being a lot worse than he was led to believe and by and individual Kiffin who has the reputation of being a bit of a turd and not really a man of his word.

Henderson, he seem's like a bright kid that has a touch of thing's come so easy to him that he doesn't alway's try or apply himself ,at least give 100 % in finishing plays in football. If I were to venture a guess, Miami is where he will end up as they were pretty close to finishing #1. Henderson's dad is a bit of a media hound that said he has alway's tried to look out for what he think's is his kid's number one goal and that is being prepared for a professional career in football. I don't think I can fault him for trying to look out for his kid, most would do the same.
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I think you made a pretty good assessment of the situation. SH is surrounded my too many good people to not eventually figure it out.

As for WLA? Dude was a coward (Matt Carufel punked him at the U's football camp). I never thought he would amount to much on the football field.
 

howeda7 said:
This may be unfair as Seantrel hasn't comitted any crimes, but it's hard not to see parallels with Royce White at this point.
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He may not have committed a crime, but his saga is officially become intolerable.
 

"As for WLA? Dude was a coward"

hateful?
 

gopherjay said:
hateful?
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My assessment is from what I experienced first hand, I was standing 10ft from him when he claimed to have an injury to keep from facing Matt Carufel in one on ones. This was after he angered Matt with some comments he made on the internet and Matt told him via the internet where everyone could read it that he was going to destroy him at the camp.

My point is my assessment and characterization while still only my opinion, has some substance and actual knowledge of the situation. Yours? Well I think you get the point.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
I stand corrected, I did not know that I was speaking to someone such as yourself who has such a vast amount of knowledge and experience on the NCAA's inner workings of football in regard to scholarships and transferring. I am sure the length of time you have spent watching and reading college football has left you with a far broader scope and understanding than I could ever hope to garner.

My infantile understanding of the rules of college football led me to believe that SH's best route to go after signing the letter of intent was to not compound that mistake by registering and attending summer classes at USC. If he did that he would be forced to sit out a year if he decided to transfer. By not registering and attending classes, if USC doesn't give him an out right release he would still be eligible to play this year (on his own dime). I foolishly thought that if SH thought USC/Kiffin lied or misrepresented the situation to him, it would be in his best interest to go somewhere else.

My inexperience in these types of situations caused me to think that there is no hurry. For some reason I thought that since he was not eligible for the NFL for at least 3 more years and fall camp was 6 weeks away, that he could spend a little more time working things through. Wow what was I thinking? Iagree, he will never amount to anything in football (I know, I am such an a$$).:p
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JMO, but situations like this where a kid eats up the drama and makes a circus of the recruiting process often end up as busts. I don't know gopherjay, but I assume that's the point he was trying to make, not whether he technically is going to enroll or whatever. High profile guys who were all about the drama: OJ Mayo, Bryce Brown, Willie Williams, etc, I'm forgetting a ton, but it just seems to never work out. I'm not saying he's not talented, but it seems to me that the chance that Seantrel ends up busting is pretty good. If for nothing else, I could see him sabotaging his own career in a big FU to some of his "relatives".
 

He is going to Miami......

Its funny how everyone defended Royce so much but SH is a diva but not a law breaker and he gets tossed under the bus because he can see the CURRENT Gopher football program is.
 

Section2 said:
JMO, but situations like this where a kid eats up the drama and makes a circus of the recruiting process often end up as busts. I don't know gopherjay, but I assume that's the point he was trying to make, not whether he technically is going to enroll or whatever. High profile guys who were all about the drama: OJ Mayo, Bryce Brown, Willie Williams, etc, I'm forgetting a ton, but it just seems to never work out. I'm not saying he's not talented, but it seems to me that the chance that Seantrel ends up busting is pretty good. If for nothing else, I could see him sabotaging his own career in a big FU to some of his "relatives".
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I respect your opinion Section but my point is that folks are forming their opinion with little to no REAL information. The "drama" that has come his way is a by-product of an unscrupulous coach. Correct me if I am wrong but it has been the media that has been chasing SH for quotes and information and fan’s (you) reading it, about his status not the other way around

As to your examples with which you are comparing SH, it includes a guy who accepted money (OJ), a guy with 11 arrests before he left high school (WW) and Brown (funny his situation also involved Kiffin). Don't you think you are being a bit over the top?:cool:
 

Sportsfan24 said:
I respect your opinion Section but my point is that folks are forming their opinion with little to no REAL information. The "drama" that has come his way is a by-product of an unscrupulous coach. Correct me if I am wrong but it has been the media that has been chasing SH for quotes and information and fan’s (you) reading it, about his status not the other way around

As to your examples with which you are comparing SH, it includes a guy who accepted money (OJ), a guy with 11 arrests before he left high school (WW) and Brown (funny his situation also involved Kiffin). Don't you think you are being a bit over the top?:cool:
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I don't agree that Kiffin is the only one causing drama in this situation (or really at all since he left Tennessee). Is it possible that truly held off on his LOI to wait until the NCAA decided, and not to create added drama and keep SH in the spotlight? Yes, so I could be over the top. Just strange that it happened and we also keep getting fed stories about the father wanting to turn his son into a star and a brand name (while serving as agent). Maybe it's all lies. And maybe the balloon boy's family really thought he was in that balloon? Or maybe they, like many many people these days, are attempting to manipulate the media for their own fame or personal gain. I have my mind made up on both.
 

USC has just given Henderson his release. He can transfer anywhere without having any restrictions.
 

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