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We learned this pre-season that Hageman is an animal. He's the strongest and fastest player on the "D" line. Why isn't he playing? I assume a function of his learning a new position. Has anyone heard anything specifically?
 

ncgo4 said:
We learned this pre-season that Hageman is an animal. He's the strongest and fastest player on the "D" line. Why isn't he playing? I assume a function of his learning a new position. Has anyone heard anything specifically?
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Yes, and yes. RS Freshman moving from TE to DE to interior lineman. That's a lot to take on.
 

Unregistered User said:
Yes, and yes. RS Freshman moving from TE to DE to interior lineman. That's a lot to take on.
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That and I imagine he's getting used to playing a new position with what, an extra 30lbs. on his frame since high school?

He'll be a force eventually.
 

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Yes, and yes. RS Freshman moving from TE to DE to interior lineman. That's a lot to take on.
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Yet Garin plays considerably more?

A lot to take on? Just go out and try to get the QB or RB in the backfield. What more is there to learn?
 

It helps when we haven't given them 2nd and short or 3rd and short so our guys and just get after the qb.
 


Art Vandelay said:
Yet Garin plays considerably more?

A lot to take on? Just go out and try to get the QB or RB in the backfield. What more is there to learn?
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I think he is holding back just to spite you.
 

I think he has been hurt, saw him limping around at the opening day victory walk. I could be wrong...maybe he just naturally looks gimpy.
 

You can be a box of rocks and play defensive tackle. It is the most mentally undemanding position on the field--and by a scale of magnitude. Do you know how long it takes to learn, say, what a 3 technique is? About the time it takes to read that sentence.

If Hageman is not ready to play, he's not physically ready to play.
 

Brewster's policy on position changes is apparently to take a player's initial Scout/Rivals star average, and then make him move to that number of positions during his career. Poor Marquis Gray hasn't even come close to finding his position. Who knows what this football visionary has in store for young Rasheed.
 



No technique to learn, no leverage to learn, no assignments to learn, it's really easy. Just look at all the R-Fr All-Americans playing on the DL.
 

skoalvikings said:
Brewster's policy on position changes is apparently to take a player's initial Scout/Rivals star average, and then make him move to that number of positions during his career. Poor Marquis Gray hasn't even come close to finding his position. Who knows what this football visionary has in store for young Rasheed.
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You mean the guy who leads the Big Ten in receptions and is 2nd in yardage? Yeah, poor MarQueis.

Seriously, do people even think before they post anymore?
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
No technique to learn, no leverage to learn, no assignments to learn, it's really easy. Just look at all the R-Fr All-Americans playing on the DL.
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Plus, there's no one blocking him so he has no excuse. He should easily notch 8 sacks a game.
 




Two problems with Hageman. One he can't figure it out and he has a huge ego and won't listen to his coaches. He could be a good player but he does not want to put the effort into it.
 

Ducati,

You forgot that he is a red shirt freshman.
 


With Hageman switching to DT he is behind two of the defenses better and more experienced players. It isn't that surprising that he isn't getting much playing time. I don't know about the quality of Ed Olson's play. He may be doing well or he may not be, the point is he has alot of experience around him.
 

The handling of Hageman reminds me of Mason's handling of Daniels. Move him around enough so he never gets a chance to play even if he is one of the most talented players on the team. Hageman might be one of those players that needs to transfer to a top 25 team where he will be placed at his natural position and allowed to just play.
 

At his current size what would his natural position be? Just curious.
 

jovs said:
The handling of Hageman reminds me of Mason's handling of Daniels. Move him around enough so he never gets a chance to play even if he is one of the most talented players on the team. Hageman might be one of those players that needs to transfer to a top 25 team where he will be placed at his natural position and allowed to just play.
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This is one (of many) frustrations with Brewster. He spends all this time telling us how "special" a player like Hageman is, that he has "tremendous" talent. Then we don't hear about this player ever again. He made it a point to tell all of us how he was going to be a "special" defensive end. He was moved to D-Tackle this Fall with no explaination. People blamed Mason for not doing enough to get the in-state players. I think what Brewster has done with this kid is worse.

Over the years, there have been articles written about how we cannot develop any D-1 players out of the inner-city schools. Now we have perhaps the most talented inner-city football player at the U, and he cannot get on the field in his first 2 years on a team that clearly lacks talented players? Even worse, we are playing a kid like Garin. He clearly has potential and is trying hard. But, the truth is that he is not big enough at this point to play D-Line. I'd rather see Hageman on the field making mistakes (and hopefully learning), than see an undersized player get blown off the line on every play. At some point, an atheletes natural ability is going to kick in and make some plays. How can someone learn by standing on the sidelines. It is a complete joke.

PS- I'm glad we didn't get Henderson, as he would be sitting on the sidelines too.
 

Silvio said:
At his current size what would his natural position be? Just curious.
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Tight End

The kid can move, judging from the way he developed as a basketball player in High school he has decent hands, good size, good coordination. One more option on the goal line.
 

I believe that Hageman is frustrated that he doesn't get in for enough plays to find a rhythm. As they say, there is no substitute for game experience. Getting two plays here and there is not helping him. A fresh Hageman has to be better than a tired Edwards. I suspect there is a great deal of controversy among the coaching staff about who they should be playing on DL. Look at the number of changes they are making from week to week and you can see philosophical conflict.

I am starting to wonder if Garin is starting because all the D-ends are similar at this point, and it looks bad for the two in-state "big fish" (Hageman and Garin) to both be on the bench. I still believe that Jacobs and KGM are better options than Garin.

Watching the game last week, it was so clear that our guys were not as hungry for the win. Example - 4th and 2, Bennett trips, puts a knee down and doesn't make it... RB from NIU hit at the 5 yard line, lays out to reach the end zone. What will you do, if you really want to win?
 

Silvio said:
With Hageman switching to DT he is behind two of the defenses better and more experienced players. It isn't that surprising that he isn't getting much playing time. I don't know about the quality of Ed Olson's play. He may be doing well or he may not be, the point is he has alot of experience around him.
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Roster lists him as a DE, is this not true? I would agree with you if you are correct about being a DT, just not sure you are correct.
 

I believe it was reported in one of the papers or from a Brewster Presser. Stoudermire is still listed at WR so I'm not sure how update the roster is.
 

jovs said:
The handling of Hageman reminds me of Mason's handling of Daniels. Move him around enough so he never gets a chance to play even if he is one of the most talented players on the team. Hageman might be one of those players that needs to transfer to a top 25 team where he will be placed at his natural position and allowed to just play.
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UW's Travis Beckum was a linebacker and Lance Kendricks was a wide receiver. Sometimes these moves work sometimes they don't. I don't know if you can necessarily say a guy should never be moved.
 

Quiet badgergopher. What are you going to say next, that Bobby Bell was recruited to play Quarterback?
 

Silvio said:
At his current size what would his natural position be? Just curious.
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I'm fine with him playing in the DL it is clearly an area of need for the current squad, but for a team that is trying to commit to the run what would be wrong with a 300 lb TE that by all accounts can still move very well. Not saying he shouldn't be a D-lineman just throwing it out there.
 

gopher the gold said:
I'm fine with him playing in the DL it is clearly an area of need for the current squad, but for a team that is trying to commit to the run what would be wrong with a 300 lb TE that by all accounts can still move very well. Not saying he shouldn't be a D-lineman just throwing it out there.
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You sir, are just spouting crazy talk.... what you are suggesting would make too much sense....:cool:
 


gopher the gold said:
I'm fine with him playing in the DL it is clearly an area of need for the current squad, but for a team that is trying to commit to the run what would be wrong with a 300 lb TE that by all accounts can still move very well. Not saying he shouldn't be a D-lineman just throwing it out there.
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There's a good chance that he may grow even more over the next year or two. Maybe not so much getting taller, but gaining more weight. He may not, but I would say there is a good chance he does.
 

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