Governor Pawlenty On Beer Sales at TCF on WCCO

A "little booze" is not the problem. It is those who want "a lot of booze" and those that can't tell the difference between a "little and "alot" especially after already having "a little".
 

No, what they are afraid of is that university employees might possibly overserve patrons at a university-owned facility, then that overserved patron might get in his car and and on his way home potentially wipe out of a family of 5 in a mini-van on I-394. It is one thing if a guy leaves a bar and is overserved. It is something entirely different if it is a university-sanctioned event, hosted at a university-owned facility, being sold and hand-delivered by university employees. There is no way to keep track of just how drunk someone is when you're dealing with keeping track of 50,000+ people.

That said, in the grand scheme of things, you are right, no one ever died after years of games at the dome.

So, I tend to think the U should simply say - what the hell - if the lawmakers of this state endorse the idea that it is okay to serve beer to everyone, then okay, let's serve beer to everyone and rake in the additional revenue (which would likely be millions in beer sales and sponsorship money).

And, if that family of 5 gets wiped out by a drunken fan heading home from the game, then those ambitious lawmakers who made such a big deal out of it and thumped their chest about how they're representing the peasants, probably will not feel so high and mighty about their self-proclaimed stellar work on this anymore. Nope those same hypocritical lawmakers will run from it faster than Bryant Allen runs the 60-meter dash. But, hey, they sponsored the bill, advocated for it's approval, affirmed it, and must live with it's possible ramifications if the U puts it into effect.

In my opinion, the U can wash their hands entirely of any negatives that come from it by simply saying they were following the great leadership of these zealous legislators.


Isn't there an NCAA issue here? I don't believe the NCAA will allow them to serve alcohol throughout the stadium regardless of what the state legislature says.
 

Isn't there an NCAA issue here? I don't believe the NCAA will allow them to serve alcohol throughout the stadium regardless of what the state legislature says.

The NCAA only recommends that you don't serve on campus. They only forbid the serving of alcohol during post-season (Championship) events like March Madness if I'm not mistaken.

Syracuse is an example of the rare school that serves beer at its stadium.
 

Isn't there an NCAA issue here? I don't believe the NCAA will allow them to serve alcohol throughout the stadium regardless of what the state legislature says.

NCAA doesn't flat out say you can't. It is just a strong recommendation. As mentioned, Syracuse serves it. I believe Louisville also serves beer at games and there are a small handful of others.

I might add, I'm not necessarily advocating that they serve beer. I just think they should for the sake of these zealot lawmakers who in the midst of several different state crisis opted to waste valuable time on this silly issue. The U can reap the benefits of the millions of dollars of revenue and then shrug off all responsibility to those geniuses in St. Paul who passed the measure.
 

Just buy liability insurance

If the U serves beer they will buy liability insurance protection for potential lawsuits involving overserving fans. So insurance would pay any possible lawsuit. Excel Energy Center has been sued due to fans leaving the area drunk & driving home causing an accident. I don't remember any public outcry to ban alcohol at the X because of it.
 


Ayn Rand?

You need to read a little Ayn Rand to get your head straight. A Ron Paul presidency would help you break your Obama fever. Turn off MSNBC, get plenty of rest and then get a job.

Yeah, unrestricted Corporations. What a great idea. Triangle Shirt Waist Factory needs to be repeated.

I really hope your joking.
 

If the U serves beer they will buy liability insurance protection for potential lawsuits involving overserving fans. So insurance would pay any possible lawsuit. Excel Energy Center has been sued due to fans leaving the area drunk & driving home causing an accident. I don't remember any public outcry to ban alcohol at the X because of it.

I think its more an image thing then a getting sued thing.
 

Yeah, unrestricted Corporations. What a great idea. Triangle Shirt Waist Factory needs to be repeated.

I really hope your joking.

Be careful...he might start Going Galt on you!
 

I do too... but the legistlature seems to have given them an "out" to serve. They can easily say "it wasn't our fault" if any image tarnish material surfaces. As others have suggested... the blood is all on the hands of the lawmakers, not the U.
 



Beer?

Heck , at UW Madison, they sell beer at the Student Union, right along the shore of Lake Mendota! (every day) Only in Minnesota would this be a HUGE issue. Geez!, goes right along with the band not being able to march down Univ. Ave. They can think of a million reasons why we can't do certain things, rather than figuring out how to get it done! Typical!
 

Quote: Heck , at UW Madison, they sell beer at the Student Union, right along the shore of Lake Mendota! (every day) Only in Minnesota would this be a HUGE issue. Geez!, goes right along with the band not being able to march down Univ. Ave. They can think of a million reasons why we can't do certain things, rather than figuring out how to get it done! Typical!

And GopherHole has to be the only college football fan site in the country where the majority of posters would wage a campaign to keep beer out of their new football stadium when at the same time the Governor and State Legislature were supporting beer for everybody. It's like living in Bizarro World.

P.S. Good morning, GoGold. I hope you are feeling better this morning. You were a real pain in the ass yesterday. Was it just constipation, or are you dealing with a serious personal problem? It was crazy how you thought that anyone in GopherHole was interested in reading your term paper (copied from Wikipedia, no doubt) discussing the differences between Communism, Socialism, and Egalitarianism. I think that you might be taking yourself a little bit too seriously. Don't you? Anyway, have a good day.
 

Heck , at UW Madison, they sell beer at the Student Union, right along the shore of Lake Mendota! (every day) Only in Minnesota would this be a HUGE issue. Geez!, goes right along with the band not being able to march down Univ. Ave. They can think of a million reasons why we can't do certain things, rather than figuring out how to get it done! Typical!

You do realize that they DON'T serve beer at the UW-Madison football stadium, right? See, we're not talking about student unions or bars or hotels. We're talking about a University-owned football stadium serving beer to 50,000 people. They DON'T do that in Madison (nor is alcohol served in any other Big Ten stadium for that matter).

So, the student union situation is 100% unrelated and irrevelant to this topic, IMO.
 

And GopherHole has to be the only college football fan site in the country where the majority of posters would wage a campaign to keep beer out of their new football stadium .

I think you have completely misjudged the arguments of those people here. Not many (if any) were arguing that beer absolutely must not be served in the stadium (I know I wasn't). Not many were saying we are anti-drinking at all costs.

No was waging an anti-drinking campaign. Most were arguing against your silly notion that it was somehow a class warfare issue and that you (and other supporters of the cause like you) were somehow ENTITLED to drink a beer at the game. You're NOT.

As I've said, I would go ahead and serve the beer now that the legislature has endorsed the idea. The U can hang the lawmakers out to dry should things go awry.

Any outrage - as you can see by this thread - isn't that people were necessarily "anti-drinking." It was a philosophical thing where your entitlement attitude and class warfare arguments were upsetting people.

Most of the outrage and passion on this topic have come from people on "your side" of the argument. For the life of me, I can't figure out why people would get so worked up over the fact that they may have to go three hours over the course of a college football game without spending $40 on five $8 watered-down light beers, while displaying some wacky class envy towards someone who has paid $42,000 for a suite that might get a wine cooler or two. That is the most amazing part of this to me. Of all the things you can show passion towards and choose as "a cause" and you come up with the "give me beer or take away the rich's folks beer" battle cry. For whatever reason, I find that odd, and think there should be many other more worthwhile causes to use your time and energy on.

And, I KNOW there were many more important issues for state legislators to focus their resources on than this silly thing.
 



A "little booze" is not the problem. It is those who want "a lot of booze" and those that can't tell the difference between a "little and "alot" especially after already having "a little".

You're going to have a hard time finding people who get obliterated off of $7 3.2 light beer. Anybody who is wasted has been drinking beforehand, which won't stop unless they drop football entirely.
 

They should just serve beer everywhere. Nobody died at the Metrodome, our country is deathly afraid of a little booze.

less beer in the stadium, means less drunk iowa and wi fans to deal with. that all by itself gets my vote.

lack of beer sales is one reason i am hearing from IA fans considering no longer making their biannual trip to the big city. maybe the legislature is sad about potential lost sales tax revenue at the MOA>
 

I agree with NateDawgUM. Would you rather have fans drinking expensive, waterlike beer or the Jack Daniels in their flask? Would there be a public outcry if Target Field announced that no beer would be sold in the seats? Of course! We've had beer for 20+ years at Gopher football games, no need to stop now.
 

Quote: Heck , at UW Madison, they sell beer at the Student Union, right along the shore of Lake Mendota! (every day) Only in Minnesota would this be a HUGE issue. Geez!, goes right along with the band not being able to march down Univ. Ave. They can think of a million reasons why we can't do certain things, rather than figuring out how to get it done! Typical!

And GopherHole has to be the only college football fan site in the country where the majority of posters would wage a campaign to keep beer out of their new football stadium when at the same time the Governor and State Legislature were supporting beer for everybody. It's like living in Bizarro World.

P.S. Good morning, GoGold. I hope you are feeling better this morning. You were a real pain in the ass yesterday. Was it just constipation, or are you dealing with a serious personal problem? It was crazy how you thought that anyone in GopherHole was interested in reading your term paper (copied from Wikipedia, no doubt) discussing the differences between Communism, Socialism, and Egalitarianism. I think that you might be taken yourself a little bit too seriously. Don't you think? Anyway, have a good day.

I'm glad to know you find reasoned arguments with actual facts behind them to be a pain in the a**. You should probably put me on ignore if you find reality painful. :rolleyes: Also glad to see you start your day with such classy comments. I'm cool if you want to be ignorant. If not sounding ignorant is taking myself too seriously then I'm definitely cool with that too. :)

I'd respond to another of your mischaracterizations of the points raised by most posters in these threads, but I don't want you to get too concerned about these personal demons you see in me. :rolleyes:
 

Regardless of what you think about this "issue" there won't be any beer sales on the main concourse this year. I have a hard time believing the taps, C02 lines, and kegerators have been installed already. They'd likely need to redesign the concessions stands in order to accommodate selling beer. Sure there's plenty of time if you started the modification right now, but in theory the U would wait until the last minute to make that decision and that does not fit in the current time frame. The U gets the keys in about 5.5 weeks.

Personally, I am a beer enthusiast. I believe beer belongs in the parking lots and not in the stands. You could argue that real fan doesn't spend extended periods of the game in line for another $6.50 Miller Lite and consequently more time in the rest room. They're in their seat or on their feet making noise. Alcohol also takes away from the experience because inevitably there are fans who are more absorbed by the social drinking element of the game than the game itself. Case in point--Ralph Engelstad Arena. Screw the fancy pants suite holders. Most of the people occupying them are not going to watch the game anyway so let them buy overpriced beer and liquor. Hell, we need that little extra perk to actually sell those suites. Why does anyone want the crowd to have something that could potentially make what the football team is doing a secondary thought??

And I'm not talking about John Q Season Ticket holder who can do both and is on this board so he's clearly passionate. I'm talking more about the rest of the people who will be sitting in seats this fall.
 

You do realize that they DON'T serve beer at the UW-Madison football stadium, right? See, we're not talking about student unions or bars or hotels. We're talking about a University-owned football stadium serving beer to 50,000 people. They DON'T do that in Madison (nor is alcohol served in any other Big Ten stadium for that matter).

So, the student union situation is 100% unrelated and irrevelant to this topic, IMO.

Not so fast, my friend!, They DO serve beer at Camp Randall, but only in the executive suites! This is true at several other Big10 stadiums as well. (not ALL of them, however)
 

Not so fast, my friend!, They DO serve beer at Camp Randall, but only in the executive suites! This is true at several other Big10 stadiums as well. (not ALL of them, however)

Now I'm confused. Are you saying you'd be ok if beer could be served in the suites only as originally planned?
 

And GopherHole has to be the only college football fan site in the country where the majority of posters would wage a campaign to keep beer out of their new football stadium when at the same time the Governor and State Legislature were supporting beer for everybody. It's like living in Bizarro World.

I think most of the opposition to this legislative measure by GH'ers was based on the current state of affairs. Given that a) the NCAA frowns mightily on serving beer in the general seating areas of University owned facilites and b) all of the premium seating areas were sold with the promise that alcohol would be available, many of us think this was unwise.

Because it will:
1) Piss off the NCAA
2) Cause a current and future loss of revenue for the department

I assure you that probably 4 out of 5 of us who opposed it would be in full support of serving beer in the stadium were the NCAA indifferent towards it and were the premium seats not sold under the pretense that they were purchasing the priveledge to drink alcohol. The U has some real egg on it's face now.
 

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Sound familiar? Pretty much sums it up...
 

That's Exactly What Should Be Done!

Now I'm confused. Are you saying you'd be ok if beer could be served in the suites only as originally planned?

Sell the suites and make money there. Forget about selling booze in the main stadium, just like every other studium in the Big Ten. The U does not need to take on the liability of serving alcohol to 40,000 plus people who all have got to find their way home. Litigation and accidents waiting to happen. If people sneak booze into the stadium, the U is not liable for their infraction and subsequent behavior. Crowds fueled by booze can also reflect poorly on the image of the U as well. Fans don't care about that, but responsible adiministrators should and do.

Do what most B10 universities have done, serve alcohol in the suites and no in the rest of the stadium. Draw in the big spenders and limit your liability.
 

I may be making a mistake jumping in here as a new poster, but I really hope this gets sorted out and the original plan remains, no beer in the stands, have it in the premium suites. Here's my take:
Beyond the obvious drunken fan issue, which like many have said, won't be stopped by not selling beer in the stands, I have hopes that keeping the alcohol in the suites will keep the nonfan business client types up in the boxes and suites spending money on the U and away from the hopefully expanding rabid fanbase. I saw so many folks at the dome not in maroon/gold, not cheering, just drinking beer and sitting on their hands. I really hope this will become a rarity int he new stadium.
 

back to the point.

Do what most B10 universities have done, serve alcohol in the suites and no in the rest of the stadium. Draw in the big spenders and limit your liability.

Yeah, nobody rich and powerfull has ever gotten into a car and then killed somebody. Got to keep an eye out for those kind of assumptions.

I don't necesassarly disagree with your idea, but not sure how you make this match with the legislature's already passed bill. That is the real point at play here.

Though, being a member of the great unwashed, elitism is complete garbage.
 

Yeah, nobody rich and powerfull has ever gotten into a car and then killed somebody. Got to keep an eye out for those kind of assumptions.

I don't necesassarly disagree with your idea, but not sure how you make this match with the legislature's already passed bill. That is the real point at play here.

Though, being a member of the great unwashed, elitism is complete garbage.


re3886....who cares about the fat cats in the suites? Take their money and ignore them. Think of it as a stadium tax on the elites. Serving THEM booze does greatly LIMIT the liability of the UMN because you have you have a few people to worry about, not 50,000. :D
 

BrewsterBooster... are you aware of the legislation that has already passed and been signed? Saying they should limit alcohol to the premium seats is like saying they should build the stadium so it can expand to 80K seats. We know that. This was the plan and the state legislature changed the playing field, therefore THIS discussion.

As it was mentioned earlier...
The choices are to 1. sell to everyone, 2. no alcohol to ANYONE, 3. some creative loop around the new law.

Also, in terms of liability and problems... how will it potentially be worse in TCF than it has been over the past 26 years in the Metrodome where beer had been sold at every home game? I'm just foggy on that one and perhaps I am missing something.
 

Also, in terms of liability and problems... how will it potentially be worse in TCF than it has been over the past 26 years in the Metrodome where beer had been sold at every home game? I'm just foggy on that one and perhaps I am missing something.

I'm not sure, but it might have something to do with the fact that the Metrodome is owned and operated by the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission and TCF Bank Stadium will be owned and operated by the University. And the U takes less risks than the MSFC.

Personally, I feel that if you're worried about the liability, that is what insurance is for.

My question is what is the consequence of going against what the NCAA "recommends"? If the U decides to sell beer to everyone (of legal drinking age), is the NCAA going to not allow them to host Final Four regionals? Pull scholarships? Put us on double secret probation? What are the repercussions if we, as somebody else put it, "piss of the NCAA"?
 

Yes, I am All Too Well Aware

BrewsterBooster... are you aware of the legislation that has already passed and been signed? Saying they should limit alcohol to the premium seats is like saying they should build the stadium so it can expand to 80K seats. We know that. This was the plan and the state legislature changed the playing field, therefore THIS discussion.

As it was mentioned earlier...
The choices are to 1. sell to everyone, 2. no alcohol to ANYONE, 3. some creative loop around the new law.

Also, in terms of liability and problems... how will it potentially be worse in TCF than it has been over the past 26 years in the Metrodome where beer had been sold at every home game? I'm just foggy on that one and perhaps I am missing something.


Yes, I am aware. I am just stating what I think the decision SHOULD have been I know, it is fighting lost battles, I guess. I am hoping they find a way to do what most stadiums do in the Big 10. This should have been easy...just follow the lead of your conference schools. Instead, they battle over this issue with major issues hanging out there for the state. Silly.:rolleyes:
 

Not so fast, my friend!, They DO serve beer at Camp Randall, but only in the executive suites! This is true at several other Big10 stadiums as well. (not ALL of them, however)

And, you do realize that serving beer in the suites at TCF Bank Stadium was the plan all along here, too, right? That was, until these ambitious lawmakers turned it into a political issue.

So, it wasn't a big deal until the legislators stuck their nose into something that didn't need legislative assistance.
 




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