Gophers v Northwestern

NW has an interesting run game. They had success with some runs that seem to start more east west but out of a shotgun set. Someone who knows more about football than me can explain it but it appeared that the blocking scheme was more of a zone blocking scheme on these plays - the NW line blocked the defender once the play had started to develop, taking him whichever way he was going - letting the runner decide where the hole was. These were off tackle plays and UW had a heck of a time with them. I'm so used to seeing read option from the shotgun where the back is running a dive that this just looked different. Would be great to hear one of our guru's describe this game and how to stop it

More on this here. Wisconsin was in the nickel. When they switched back to base they slowed them down.

http://m.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/defensive-tweaks-cant-stop-run-game-b99363978z1-278145981.html
 

This game for us will be intensity. Taking this game for granted is foolish. Northwestern may be a bit tired so we need to bring it big time with a good balance on offense and continue to be aggressive on defense. We have more speed and are better up front so there is no excuse.


Why do you think you have more speed? I doubt it. Shuler ran a 10.39 second 100m in high school. Solomon Vault and Tony Jones ran under 10.7 seconds. The strength of our defense is the speed and depth in our back 7. DE Ifeadi Odenigbo is one of the quickest DE's in the B1G and is very disruptive as a pass rusher. I'll concede you may be stronger on the OL and DT positions, but we're not a slow team.

I have a lot of respect for the job Kill has done rebuilding Minnesota. I think you'll have an advantage at the LOS, and your defense is good and will be tough to score on. I see a low scoring game much like the NU vs Wisconsin game.
 



I don't see any reason why it would be ineffective after they rushed for 280+ on them.

I would agree with this if you can be certain your OL and RB's (very good, by the way) are as good or better than Wisconsin's OL and RB's.
 

I would add pound it right up the middle. I am not so sure they would hold up as well to that. It seemed that Wisconsin kept trying the edges. I only saw a small sample of plays, so I could be way off, but I don't think so. Northwesterns defense plays fast. Running to the edge just seemed to give them the opportunity to get back into the play via pursuit angles. We may need to play this game the San Jose way...

Wisconsin (Gordon) broke off their longest runs running the edges and sealing off the backside pursuit. You must have missed those long runs. We did a better job stopping the run up the middle.
 

We have a terrific game coming Saturday. Northwestern has reloaded and Minnesota is trying to taste the top for the first time in generations.
 


Job 1 - Stop Justin Jackson

A couple things I noticed watching most of the Wisconsin game.
- NW had Wisconsin in poor field position a lot. I think their punter had his first touchback of the season yesterday. They will punt at 4th and 5 from your 38 and you'll think they're nuts until they drop it on your two. Getting that first 1st down after a punt will be a big deal.
- They struggled with the run but it was mostly Gordon. Clement who's just good didn't light it up, but had some nice runs. I think Cobb will have success.
- Wisconsin got little pressure with their front four and NW is good enough throwing the ball to kill you if they have time.
- NW has an interesting run game. They had success with some runs that seem to start more east west but out of a shotgun set. Someone who knows more about football than me can explain it but it appeared that the blocking scheme was more of a zone blocking scheme on these plays - the NW line blocked the defender once the play had started to develop, taking him whichever way he was going - letting the runner decide where the hole was. These were off tackle plays and UW had a heck of a time with them. I'm so used to seeing read option from the shotgun where the back is running a dive that this just looked different. Would be great to hear one of our guru's describe this game and how to stop it.
- All of that said, NW got lucky. Gordon had a ton of yards and Stave inexplicably threw across his body for an interception while rolling right on 1st and goal from the four. It was a terrible unforced error. If UW had scored on that drive I believe they'd have retaken the lead eventually. They still might not have won, but as it was they simply ran out of time.

I believe the Gophers can beat NW and can't wait for the game.

Freshman running back Justin Jackson is the key to this game. He's not the fastest back I've seen, but is quick and shifty. He averaged around 5 yards per carry and didn't break anything big - just chipped away at yardage. I see his style somewhat like David Cobb without the strength (strong for a freshman however). Northwestern is the type of team that will lull you to sleep and be opportunistic at key times. Not great, not flashy, but good when they need to be good.

I'm hoping we get a real good scouting report on Jackson and the NW front. If we can keep Jackson in the box, I think we'll be successful defensively. Siemian's ability is well documented and I think his strengths are also our strengths, so I don't see an advantage to NW in that area.
 

I would add pound it right up the middle. I am not so sure they would hold up as well to that. It seemed that Wisconsin kept trying the edges. I only saw a small sample of plays, so I could be way off, but I don't think so. Northwesterns defense plays fast. Running to the edge just seemed to give them the opportunity to get back into the play via pursuit angles. We may need to play this game the San Jose way...

My impression as I watched the game was that Gordon gets most of his success running to the edges. Whenever he tried to run between the tackles, his efforts were not as successful. This was the only game I have watched for both teams, so maybe NW had a great game plan this week. That said, I think we showed more creativity in our offense winning the Jug than UW had against NW. If we keep up the misdirection and click on the short passes, we can still gash NW.

I was also not impressed by NW offense. Their O-Line didn't seem to get a ton of push, but just enough against a shaky defense. I think we should be able to bring pressure and swarm to the ball better the UW was. NW QB is good, but I think our secondary is up to the challenge of taking away the deep ball and keeping their passing game in check.
 

Why do you think you have more speed?

I'm guessing the poster isn't all that familiar with NWs personnel (not that I am). Our LBs and DBs are very athletic and are able to fly to the ball. Without knowing much about the other team, I for one usually assume that our defense will be faster than a typical Big 10 offense. Might not be the case here.

I don't think our offense is especially fast. Berkely Edwards and Chris Streveler are both very quick but neither is playing much yet... Right now we're more physical than anything on offense.

Anyways, I agree with your post it should be a good game.
 

NU won the game playing Jerryball. NU run game did well against an undisciplined WI D that had players wayyyyy out of position. MN D won't make that mistake. some typed it earlier. no Mitch turnovers
 



Turnovers. Turnovers. Turnovers.

Wisconsin threw three interceptions in or near the endzone.

Their other interception was deep in their own territory. Gave Nerdwestern a 16-yard field and they punched it in.

if you're a fat, drunk Wisconsinite, that's potentially 28 points in the wrong direction. I couldn't have been happier.
 

Turnovers. Turnovers. Turnovers.

Wisconsin threw three interceptions in or near the endzone.

Their other interception was deep in their own territory. Gave Nerdwestern a 16-yard field and they punched it in.

if you're a fat, drunk Wisconsinite, that's potentially 28 points in the wrong direction. I couldn't have been happier.

All about field position and turnovers - it happened versus Penn State too.

- In the first, NU returns a punt 42 yards to the PSU 31 yard line. Four plays later, the Wildcats are in the endzone.
- First play of the fourth, NU returns an interception 49 yards for a TD.
- Next PSU possession, Hackenberg fumbles, recovered by NU at the PSU 15 yard line. Wildcats get a FG.
- Later in the fourth, PSU gets stuffed on a 4th and 1 from their own 30 yard line. Seven plays later, NU gets another TD.

That's 22 of their 29 points coming off short fields or outright defensive scoring.

Against Wisconsin they actually had more long drives for points, but still had turnovers and field position on their side:

- In the first quarter, McEvoy intercepted in NU endzone (Wisc had the ball on the 20 yard line)
- Third quarter, Stave tosses an interception on his own 16 yard line. One play later, it's a TD for the Cats.
- Stave throws another INT in the NU endzone (this time from the 3 yard line)

Ifs and buts and all that, but that's at least six for-sure Wisconsin points off the board with the red zone turnovers.

We need to avoid those turnovers and play solid special teams - force the Cats to go 50+ yards for their TDs - and we can take this one. Easier said than done, they are a very opportunistic bunch.
 

Northwestern was a dark horse by many in the division and people on here scoffed at it. They had some adversity early as they lost a WR to injury and their top RB transferred during fall camp. They lost to the best team in the MAC and a Cal team that is in first place in the Pac-12. They have not lost in MN in 10 years. Our boys better be amped to play NW or we will lose.
 

Northwestern game will be a dogfight for Minnesota no doubt about it.

Doesn't seem to matter the records, perceived weaknesses or strengths for each other's team. Northwestern always comes in to games expecting to and thinking they can beat the Gophers. Gophers fans are going to have to be loud and enthusiastic this Saturday, if we can make it so that Siemian has a tough time to hear at the line of scrimmage we can make a little bit of a difference. We have to be louder than usual and make some noise this Saturday. He is a good passer when he has time for things to develop downfield.
Historically they have been tough games for us as fans and the Gopher program, nothing ever comes easy against Northwestern. Anyone taking them lightly or perceiving this as an easy win will have them have reality bite them in the butt on Saturday. That is half the battle going in, belief that you can win. If they didn't have the Gophers attention already, they better having beat and physically dominated Wisconsin.

Their freshman tailback's speed, Justin Jackson is quite impressive he is illusive, you get out of your gaps or try to make someone's else's play
and it is game over and Jackson is going to the house or making a big play. They seem to have an O-line that blocks well but get's away with there usual amount of hodling and cheating, pass block well, so don't expect to many calls Saturday from the Big 10 refs.
Notrhwesterns punter seems to have a knack for pinning a team deep in there zone and getting spin back on the ball. Northwestern was also much more physical than I, or anyone else thought they would be against Wisconsion so they reflect the attitude of their coach and have turned the corner this season. Those guys are not a bad football team they just took things for granted for the first two weeks and paid for it with losses. Gophers cannot take this game for granted, or just mark this up as a W this week, this will be a hard fought physical Big 10 football game. The same intensity and attitude during Michigan week has to be there this week. Gophers are a good football team, but not one that is good enough to play poorly have turnovers, or one that they can take anyone for granted. They cannot come out flat and with anything less than were going to kick this teams butts all over the football field attitude at the line of scrimmage.
It is time to get past being called cup-cakes, the silly insults by who care's analyst Like Howard and Herbstreidt and get down to business, if it ticks them off or motivates them to be insulted, than use that inner hatred and anger, and put it on the other team. Gophers need to come off the cloud, and strap it up and be ready to play, it is time to beat the Wildcats this Saturday and send a message to the rest of the Big 10 West that the Gophers are serious contenders. It is time to take it to the Cats this week, SKI-U-MAH and Go Gophers!

This should bug the Gophers and be a reminder that the Wildcats come to play when they come to Minnesota.
"They, Northwestern have not lost in MN in 10 years". This week it is time to change that fact.
 



My impression as I watched the game was that Gordon gets most of his success running to the edges. Whenever he tried to run between the tackles, his efforts were not as successful. This was the only game I have watched for both teams, so maybe NW had a great game plan this week. That said, I think we showed more creativity in our offense winning the Jug than UW had against NW. If we keep up the misdirection and click on the short passes, we can still gash NW.

I was also not impressed by NW offense. Their O-Line didn't seem to get a ton of push, but just enough against a shaky defense. I think we should be able to bring pressure and swarm to the ball better the UW was. NW QB is good, but I think our secondary is up to the challenge of taking away the deep ball and keeping their passing game in check.

I think we beat Wisconsin as much by UW calling a poor game as our having a good game plan. UW could have won the game by just relying on their running game but they tried to get cute and balanced with their passing game. Stupid pass plays on 1st and goal from the 3, and series consisting of three incomplete passes, cost them the game. Our plan was to try to corral Gordon while taking away their play action and passing. NU struggled with Gordon but held him to one TD. NU has a very good back seven against the pass and enough of a pass rush with Odenigbo and Lowry to hamper any passing attack. Why Wisconsin resorted to passing in certain situations was a mystery and cost them the game. Leidner needs to be careful with his throws or he will be harassed and picked off.

Our offense got off to a real poor start this year but is improving. Our OL has improved to provide decent pass protection and is beginning to open up holes for the running game. I'd grade them a B- right now after starting out a D. PSU has a good defense and we easily could have scored 40+ on them (we blew a fake FG for a TD, missed another FG, and missed 2 extra points. Jackson is not fast, but is "slippery", can cut in any direction and has good vision. He was a legit 4-star RB who put up huge numbers in high school for a good program. Siemian (QB) got off to a disappointing start but has improved in the last 2 games. I suspect that has been because of injuries to his best receivers in fall camp which has necessitated developing new receivers (including a former RB and freshmen) and developing some chemistry with these guys. When he's on, he can be very accurate, complete a half dozen passes or so in a row, and march down the field. We haven't seen that level of play yet this year except for glimpses in the PSU game (first quarter). Last year, he played against Minnesota with a badly bruised heal that affected his play. WR's Tony Jones, Solomon Vault, and Miles Shuler are sub 10.7s guys who will stretch the field, while the rest are possession receivers with average speed. Vitale at superback has good size (235 lbs), hands, and speed...sort of like a compact Maxx Williams. We will play four different superbacks and two at once.

IMO, Minnesota has a decided advantage in the running game with a good OL and backs against an average run-stopping front seven. Our pass defense has become pretty effective with a defensive backfield that is deep and talented, and three decent pass-rushing DE's (Lowry, Washington, Odenigbo). Odenigbo is very quick and disruptive. We tore up PSU's horrible OL and made Hackenburg look ordinary, if not black and blue. We haven't been fooled by play action in the last two games. Maxx Williams will pose a serious threat, though.

On offense, the key will be how well our OL can block your DL and LBs. We're getting better and put up about 200 rushing yards against UW. Siemian will have to be on his toes throwing the ball against a very good Minnesota pass defense. We also have to eliminate the drive-killing penalties that were a problem at the start of the year. Before the season, I think many NU fans thought now that Hagemann is gone and that Siemian is over his heal problem, that he will have no trouble carving up the Gophers. They're unaware of just how good Minnesota's defensive backfield is this year. They're also concerned about Siemian's poor start and lack of throwing consistency, but are breathing better after the last two games.

Coach Kill has done an excellent job rebuilding the Gophers like I figured he would. It has been interesting following this board and seeing how the fan base has responded to Kill's coaching and the turn-around. In short, we have to match UM's physicality and play a clean game (no penalties, drops, or turnovers) to have a chance to win.

I worry a bit about NU coming off of a big win against UW while UM has had a week to rest up for this game. Otherwise, NU is normally not phased by playing away and actually has a better record in Big Ten away games than in home games over the past 5-10 years. At one point, we beat Iowa in Kinnick Stadium three times in a row. It drove Hawkeye fans nuts!
 

All about field position and turnovers - it happened versus Penn State too.

- In the first, NU returns a punt 42 yards to the PSU 31 yard line. Four plays later, the Wildcats are in the endzone.
- First play of the fourth, NU returns an interception 49 yards for a TD.
- Next PSU possession, Hackenberg fumbles, recovered by NU at the PSU 15 yard line. Wildcats get a FG.
- Later in the fourth, PSU gets stuffed on a 4th and 1 from their own 30 yard line. Seven plays later, NU gets another TD.

That's 22 of their 29 points coming off short fields or outright defensive scoring.

Against Wisconsin they actually had more long drives for points, but still had turnovers and field position on their side:

- In the first quarter, McEvoy intercepted in NU endzone (Wisc had the ball on the 20 yard line)
- Third quarter, Stave tosses an interception on his own 16 yard line. One play later, it's a TD for the Cats.
- Stave throws another INT in the NU endzone (this time from the 3 yard line)

Ifs and buts and all that, but that's at least six for-sure Wisconsin points off the board with the red zone turnovers.

We need to avoid those turnovers and play solid special teams - force the Cats to go 50+ yards for their TDs - and we can take this one. Easier said than done, they are a very opportunistic bunch.


Very good comments. NU also botched scoring on a fake FG against PSU. I don't recall if that was a long drive or also set up by a turnover or turnover on downs.
 

Yes, thank you for sharing the great information Greatskate. It should be a great one and hopefully some NU fans make the trip. NU is not on most people's least favorite teams here and I cheer for you guys to beat just about everyone except da Gophers.
 

UW could have won the game by just relying on their running game but they tried to get cute and balanced with their passing game.

Well... No worry of that with MN. However, some on here would agree with GA's strategy.
 

NU's back runs like a freshman. He's talented but runs straight up. He'll slow as the game goes on. Quick bubble screens and misdirection plays concern me. They like to jump on you early and hang on to their early leads.
 

The Gophers have never had a big rivalry with Northwestern.

It's now a rivalry game, for the first time.

GO GOPHERS!!!
 

I was looking over some stuff on BTN.com and thought it was entertaining how quickly Dienhart changed his tune on Northwestern. Here's what he said about them before the Wisconsin game:

"Northwestern is a bowl team.

Sell. I still have my doubts about the Wildcats. Yes, they have won two games in a row. But it was against a FCS foe and a flawed Penn State team. NU still will struggle to get to six wins. Tell me if you can find four more wins in here: Wisconsin, at Minnesota, Nebraska, at Iowa, Michigan, at Notre Dame, at Purdue, Illinois."

And after the Wisconsin game he ranked them 4th in his Big Ten power rankings:

"4. Northwestern (3-2, 2-0). The Wildcats have risen from the dead (0-2 start) to win three in a row behind an athletic defense and emerging offense that is finding balance.

Last week: 10
Up next: at Minnesota"
 




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