Gophers football OK with Big Ten ditching divisions if rivalry games remain

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I'd take NW or Illinois over Nebraska, any day.

Nebraska gets you nothing. There's no history there -- because of course, they were only just let into the conference.


Would rather have away trips to recruiting areas in Illinois/Chicago, over low-population corn fields.
 

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Here are the obvious ones, in my opinion, for the protected 3 of each:

Minn - Iowa, Wisc, Mich
Iowa - Minn, Wisc, Neb
Neb - Iowa
Wisc - Minn, Iowa,
NW - ILL
ILL - NW, Purdue
Pur - ILL, Ind
Ind - Pur
MSU - Mich
Mich - MSU, Ohio St, Minn
OSU - Mich
PSU - Rut, Mary
Rut - Mary, PSU
Mary - Rut, PSU


But how do you fill the rest of it in optimally?
 


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So to address Some Guy's points, basically, at the end of the day, divisionless is going to win out because Michigan and Penn St can't get to the Big Ten Championship game without beating Ohio State.

That's the long and the short of it.


West teams will suffer, so that Ohio St v Michigan, Michigan v Penn St, and Ohio St v Penn St championship games can have the possibility of happening.
Ding, ding, ding. Basically, the conference wants to boost TV ratings for the championship game and retain the possibility of getting two high-profile teams from the East into the CFP like the SEC has routinely done. If OSU can navigate the regular season undefeated and lose to fellow undefeated PSU, for example, the chances of both teams making the playoff is much higher than if OSU had lost to a team from the West b/c it's likely PSU is ranked much higher than, say, Minnesota for many reasons we've witnessed year after year.
 

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The article said since not every team has 3 rivalries to preserve, it's possible the 3rd "protected" game for some teams will rotate. For us it said Iowa and Wisconsin would likely always stay, but possibly we swap Nebraska out after a few years for Michigan, and maybe Wisconsin swaps them for NW, and then Nebraska could have 2 other games they have "protected" for a little while.
 


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From the article:
Each school has its own preferences. Iowa could play Minnesota, Wisconsin and Nebraska and never change it. Perhaps Penn State’s protected games would include Michigan State, Ohio State and Maryland for the first five-year block. Then after five years, the league could swap Rutgers for Maryland. Over a 10-year period, Penn State would play both Maryland and Rutgers eight times rather than one team every year and the other only six.


In the inaugural five-year cycle, maybe Nebraska faces Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota. But if the Huskers return to their 1990s form, then maybe a schedule alteration could include a five-year block with Ohio State instead of Minnesota. Or maybe the Gophers rekindle their Little Brown Jug series with Michigan and the Badgers meet Northwestern while both keep Iowa and one another.
 

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Without a doubt, if it were 3 protected, I think Minnesota would submit their desire to play Iowa, Wisc, and Michigan every year, to the conference.

Every school would submit their ideal three teams. Then the conference would have to figure out how to compromise that, along with their own goals (maximize TV ratings and thus revenue).


Would Michigan put us on their top 3?? Interesting question. Obviously they'd put Ohio St and Michigan St. Do they (and their fans) feel more strongly about any other Big Ten team, than Minnesota? Indiana and Wisconsin are technically "border rivalries".

They have a new trophy game with NW, which gets them in Chicago (sorta) every other year to a huge alumni base. If they envision that game being played at a new NFL domed stadium in the not too distant future, rather than in Evanston, that might get it over the hump.
I disagree that Minnesota would submit a desire to play Michigan every year. It's approaching 20 years since the consecutive year streak was broken and match-ups since have been sporadic.

Personally, I know I am over it. In general I think it would put the Gophers at a competitive disadvantage to have to play the Wolverines annually.
 

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Why Nebraska?
Nobody else wants them? They’ve turned into the whiny RED headed step child of the B1G.

Seriously, I think NE groups well with MN, IA and WI. I’d rather have MI, but that isn’t happening as they’ll be with OH. NU would be a good choice, but they’ll be with IL as in state rivals.
 

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The article said since not every team has 3 rivalries to preserve, it's possible the 3rd "protected" game for some teams will rotate. For us it said Iowa and Wisconsin would likely always stay, but possibly we swap Nebraska out after a few years for Michigan, and maybe Wisconsin swaps them for NW, and then Nebraska could have 2 other games they have "protected" for a little while.
Right, good point.

With a 9 game schedule, you'd have 6 conf games left outside your protected 3, times 5 years is 30 games = 3 games each for those remaining 10 teams.

So yes, you could ask every school if they're good with their three, or if they'd like to switch it up, every five years. Schools like Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, probably feel like they have no natural rivalries they'd like to continuously protect.


Also, the conference might want to try to promote the top teams playing every year, if/when the power shifts. If Minnesota becomes an annual top 15 program, that matchup with Michigan might turn into a higher ratings TV game.


If they go to a 10 game schedule, then you could play each of those 10 teams 4 times in 5 years, 2 home and 2 away. That also gets rid of some teams having 4 home/5 away in a year with 9 conf games.

Seems like a no-brainer.
 



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Without a doubt, if it were 3 protected, I think Minnesota would submit their desire to play Iowa, Wisc, and Michigan every year, to the conference.

Every school would submit their ideal three teams. Then the conference would have to figure out how to compromise that, along with their own goals (maximize TV ratings and thus revenue).


Would Michigan put us on their top 3?? Interesting question. Obviously they'd put Ohio St and Michigan St. Do they (and their fans) feel more strongly about any other Big Ten team, than Minnesota? Indiana and Wisconsin are technically "border rivalries".

They have a new trophy game with NW, which gets them in Chicago (sorta) every other year to a huge alumni base. If they envision that game being played at a new NFL domed stadium in the not too distant future, rather than in Evanston, that might get it over the hump.
I disagree with Michigan. We have very few ties in the last 30 years.

A game for history’s sake. I would rather play Nebraska, northwestern, or Purdue than Michigan every year.
 

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I am all for tradition and history.

But in today's landscape with today's athletes, does the Little Brown Jug still mean something?

If it was up to me, I would play Nebraska every year and play Michigan 3 times in a five-year period. That preserves the Jug game on at least a semi-regular basis, while building up what I see as a more natural rivalry between MN and Neb.

having said that, if teams can only have two "protected" games, then it has to be IA and WI. But, if they go with 3 protected games, then I take Neb over Michigan. (ugly helmets....)
 

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I'd take NW or Illinois over Nebraska, any day.

Nebraska gets you nothing. There's no history there -- because of course, they were only just let into the conference.


Would rather have away trips to recruiting areas in Illinois/Chicago, over low-population corn fields.
I'm probably in the minority, but I would much prefer Nebraska (if it's three) to Illinois or Northwestern. I feel like we have a pretty good budding rivalry started since they joined. As for history, we've played Nebraska 62 times (we lead 35-24-2) and Illinois 74 (40-31-3) -- not that big a difference.

I'll add this: I'm 57 and never in my lifetime have I considered Michigan a football rival. And they can't possibly think of us that way -- jug or not. If that was ever a rivalry, it pretty much ended when I was born.
 

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I'm probably in the minority, but I would much prefer Nebraska (if it's three) to Illinois or Northwestern. I feel like we have a pretty good budding rivalry started since they joined. As for history, we've played Nebraska 62 times (we lead 35-24-2) and Illinois 74 (40-31-3) -- not that big a difference.

I'll add this: I'm 57 and never in my lifetime have I considered Michigan a football rival. And they can't possibly think of us that way -- jug or not. If that was ever a rivalry, it pretty much ended when I was born.
Who wouldn't prefer the broken chair over the Little Brown Jug!
 



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*IF* Nebraska becomes a protected annual rival for us in the new divisionless system, I would like to see a real, actual officially recognized trophy with them be created.

Or an official trophy for the overall winner of the "quadrangle".


Nebraska has official trophies with Iowa (Heroes) and Wisconsin (Freedom).
 

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*IF* Nebraska becomes a protected annual rival for us in the new divisionless system, I would like to see a real, actual officially recognized trophy with them be created.

Or an official trophy for the overall winner of the "quadrangle".


Nebraska has official trophies with Iowa (Heroes) and Wisconsin (Freedom).
We already have the Broken Chair Trophy. What more could we possibly want...the Little Brown Jug?
 

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*IF* Nebraska becomes a protected annual rival for us in the new divisionless system, I would like to see a real, actual officially recognized trophy with them be created.

Or an official trophy for the overall winner of the "quadrangle".


Nebraska has official trophies with Iowa (Heroes) and Wisconsin (Freedom).
3 trophies should have been enough. 3 decades for the Victory Bell with Penn St.

Big whoop.
 




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