Gopher Potential Portal Pursuits

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TwistingMyMelon said:
True, but according to DeSigma (whose credibility has been demonstrated on multiple occasions), Patterson was interested in moving closer to home.
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A poster on 247 reported last week that his neighbor told him something to the effect of "Hey, you're a Gopher fan, right? My nephew is going to be the next PG for you guys", and that nephew is Patterson. Pretty sure that's where the Patterson smoke began.
 




bga1 said:
The difference this time is that Patterson would be joined by Asuma, Mitchell and Christie (hope inserted here) as opposed to who Cooper played with.
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I'm just saying, don't expect Patterson to play at the level Hawkins did. He's probably a step up from Mike Mitchell, but we'll definitely miss Hawkins. A lot! Between Patterson, Mitchell, Asuma & hopefully Christie, we should be able to compete, but Hawkins really screwed us bad by waiting until the last minute to bail on us, and not giving CBJ time to recruit a top PG to replace him.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
I'm just saying, don't expect Patterson to play at the level Hawkins did. He's probably a step up from Mike Mitchell, but we'll definitely miss Hawkins. A lot! Between Patterson, Mitchell, Asuma & hopefully Christie, we should be able to compete, but Hawkins really screwed us bad by waiting until the last minute to bail on us, and not giving CBJ time to recruit a top PG to replace him.
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What annoys me most about Hawkins is that he wasn't that good when he arrived. He was sometimes unplayable, especially in crunch time (see Mizzou). Ben rolled with him, coached him up, slowed him down, and by the end of the season, he was a top floor general in the league.

Now, he gets to cash in on that development. I don't hate Hawk for doing what he's doing. I get it. He's a 5'8" PG and probably has a limited opportunity to make money playing basketball.

Hawk's departure solidifies the grim nature of our program right now. Even if we find a diamond in the rough, give them a chance, and they succeed, they will likely leave for greener pastures.
 

bga1 said:
The difference this time is that Patterson would be joined by Asuma, Mitchell and Christie (hope inserted here) as opposed to who Cooper played with.
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Would still try to go after a Makaih Williams. 1) Hopefully be set for Makaiah, Asuma at least after Mitchell, Christie, Patterson all done after next year. 2) Doesn't put as much presser on the Freshman Asuma 3) Gives us some PG depth for foul trouble, injuries, tougher schedule 4) Keeps Mitchell at SG.

Makaih shot the ball well freshman year (45% 3's). Think Makaih and Asuma could also learn a lot from the veteran Patterson.

If CBJ had

PG: Patterson, Asuma and Makaih backups
SG: Mitchell, Rigsby backup
SF: Christie(HOPE), Rigsby, Fox backup
PF: Garcia, Fox, Betts, Grove
c: Mitchell, (NEED ANOTHER BIG)

That would be 12 solid players who could contribute if called upon.
 



007gopherfan said:
Would still try to go after a Makaih Williams. 1) Hopefully be set for Makaiah, Asuma at least after Mitchell, Christie, Patterson all done after next year. 2) Doesn't put as much presser on the Freshman Asuma 3) Gives us some PG depth for foul trouble, injuries, tougher schedule 4) Keeps Mitchell at SG.

Makaih shot the ball well freshman year (45% 3's). Think Makaih and Asuma could also learn a lot from the veteran Patterson.

If CBJ had

PG: Patterson, Asuma and Makaih backups
SG: Mitchell, Rigsby backup
SF: Christie(HOPE), Rigsby, Fox backup
PF: Garcia, Fox, Betts, Grove
c: Mitchell, (NEED ANOTHER BIG)

That would be 12 solid players who could contribute if called upon.
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Ben doesn't call upon 12 players... Only 7
 

007gopherfan said:
Would still try to go after a Makaih Williams. 1) Hopefully be set for Makaiah, Asuma at least after Mitchell, Christie, Patterson all done after next year. 2) Doesn't put as much presser on the Freshman Asuma 3) Gives us some PG depth for foul trouble, injuries, tougher schedule 4) Keeps Mitchell at SG.

Makaih shot the ball well freshman year (45% 3's). Think Makaih and Asuma could also learn a lot from the veteran Patterson.

If CBJ had

PG: Patterson, Asuma and Makaih backups
SG: Mitchell, Rigsby backup
SF: Christie(HOPE), Rigsby, Fox backup
PF: Garcia, Fox, Betts, Grove
c: Mitchell, (NEED ANOTHER BIG)

That would be 12 solid players who could contribute if called upon.
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Hope is doing a lot of work there.
 

Off-GridTNgopher said:
Ben doesn't call upon 12 players... Only 7
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Maybe in certain games, but through out the year you need 12. Last year 9 players averaged over 11 mpg and played at least 28 games. Plus there were times when we needed more depth help. Plus I know people may transfer but after next year Garcia, Christie(if here next), Fox, Mitchell, Rigsby all be gone along with any other potential older class portal commits like Patterson.
 

007gopherfan said:
Maybe in certain games, but through out the year you need 12. Last year 9 players averaged over 11 mpg and played at least 28 games. Plus there were times when we needed more depth help. Plus I know people may transfer but after next year Garcia, Christie(if here next), Fox, Mitchell, Rigsby all be gone along with any other potential older class portal commits like Patterson.
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do wonder if mid NIL teams like MN would choose to spread the nil funds across fewer players then fill in players where you can. Get 5 solid nil guys, then players that are trying to prove themselves with playing time to get NIL next season (vs spreading NIL across 13 players)

wondering if thats what gard is doing by getting guys who use to be good but were injured last season
 





Costa Rican Gopher said:
I'm just saying, don't expect Patterson to play at the level Hawkins did.
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Well, not many point guards play like Hawkins but the issue isn't whether a guard replacement plays as well as the former guard. The issue is whether the set of players for next season play as well or better than the set that played this season. Hawkins was very ball dominant and sometimes teams play better without a guard like that.
 


Patterson's numbers are somewhat similar to Peyton Willis' numbers before his return. They are somewhat similar in terms of style and production.

That said, Willis really had a strong senior season, that type of progression while going up in competition should not be the expectation.

The other thing that does concern me is that I've seen some highlights where he looks a little chunky.
 


007gopherfan said:
Maybe in certain games, but through out the year you need 12. Last year 9 players averaged over 11 mpg and played at least 28 games. Plus there were times when we needed more depth help. Plus I know people may transfer but after next year Garcia, Christie(if here next), Fox, Mitchell, Rigsby all be gone along with any other potential older class portal commits like Patterson.
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Yep- we will be after a mess of players again this time next year.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
A poster on 247 reported last week that his neighbor told him something to the effect of "Hey, you're a Gopher fan, right? My nephew is going to be the next PG for you guys", and that nephew is Patterson. Pretty sure that's where the Patterson smoke began.
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Beautiful, and this is why we read the boards.

Pumped about this pickup, really wanted him last time he was in the portal, we could have used the depth last year. The timing is probably better this time though;


Also, I always forget Brooklyn Center has a high school. Wonder how much longer this school will last, only 341 students. Park Center 3.1 miles to the west and Fridley 3.5 miles to the east appear to be the closest public schools.
 

bga1 said:
Yep- we will be after a mess of players again this time next year.
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That’s gonna be a tricky year. Probably the year to defer and take more rookies.

The Covid year dries up, so scarcity will be an issue. We also might have resolution on legal matters, thus expect the market to be different,
 

bga1 said:
Yep- we will be after a mess of players again this time next year.
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This is going to become a reality for a lot of teams unfortunately until some form of stability is put back in the system.

Becoming like some messed up form of auction based fantasy basketball where you maybe have a keeper or two and then have to go out and bid on the players for the rest of your roster. To make it even more fun every team has a different budget to work with to try and land players. Oh and although tampering is technically against the rules nobody will bother to enforce it if you go try and steal a player from another team.
 

Good news, bad news, indifferent thoughts.

According to the statistical metrics run by Torvik RosterCast, with addn's of Frank Mitchell and Brennan Rigsby, MN has the current #68 strongest roster in college bb.

Shockingly, if MN adds Lu'Cye Patterson alone, MN roster improves to #55 which is a huge jump compared to the potential addn's I have plugged in the past few weeks.

If MN then adds Trey Edmonds, Femi Odukale, or Ken Evans the roster improves to #50 with the expected improvement in AdjOE (115) and AdjDE (99).

Interestingly, if MN adds Christian Reeves (7' Dook) instead of Edmonds or Odukale, our roster sits at #51. This is probably because RosterCast uses players statistics/value, and Reeves has a small sample size due to injuries his first 2 yrs.

The other news is that the Big Ten is going to be very strong in the upcoming season. Currently, the Big Ten roster rankings sit as follows, and the portal is still wide open...

UCLA #9
Purdue #10
Mich. St. #16
Indiana #18
USC #20
Nebraska #21
Michigan #23
Rutgers #29
Northwestern #30
Wisconsin #34
Ohio St. #35
Maryland #41
Oregon #44
Illinois #52
Iowa #56
Washington #81
Penn St. #87

After watching tape on the potential transfers available to MN currently, my choice of 3 future Gophers would be Patterson, Evans, and Reeves/Edmonds closely following. Its all theoretical at this point, team chemistry is huge, but it is clear that MN has some work to do before summer practices start. Its very doable. Go Gophers!
 

Patterson is listed as 6’1 to 6’3” and somewhere between 200-230lbs. So he sounds built for the B1G.

Does anyone know what his defense is like and dare I hope that he is quick?
 


SplitDecision said:
Good news, bad news, indifferent thoughts.

According to the statistical metrics run by Torvik RosterCast, with addn's of Frank Mitchell and Brennan Rigsby, MN has the current #68 strongest roster in college bb.

Shockingly, if MN adds Lu'Cye Patterson alone, MN roster improves to #55 which is a huge jump compared to the potential addn's I have plugged in the past few weeks.

If MN then adds Trey Edmonds, Femi Odukale, or Ken Evans the roster improves to #50 with the expected improvement in AdjOE (115) and AdjDE (99).

Interestingly, if MN adds Christian Reeves (7' Dook) instead of Edmonds or Odukale, our roster sits at #51. This is probably because RosterCast uses players statistics/value, and Reeves has a small sample size due to injuries his first 2 yrs.

The other news is that the Big Ten is going to be very strong in the upcoming season. Currently, the Big Ten roster rankings sit as follows, and the portal is still wide open...

UCLA #9
Purdue #10
Mich. St. #16
Indiana #18
USC #20
Nebraska #21
Michigan #23
Rutgers #29
Northwestern #30
Wisconsin #34
Ohio St. #35
Maryland #41
Oregon #44
Illinois #52
Iowa #56
Washington #81
Penn St. #87

After watching tape on the potential transfers available to MN currently, my choice of 3 future Gophers would be Patterson, Evans, and Reeves/Edmonds closely following. Its all theoretical at this point, team chemistry is huge, but it is clear that MN has some work to do before summer practices start. Its very doable. Go Gophers!
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As of the moment:

Garcia
Mitchell
Rigsby
Mitchell
Asuma

Betts
Grove
Fox

Need 5 more: Can we get Patterson, Evans, Edmunds??? We have zero guard depth at the moment.
 

SplitDecision said:
Good news, bad news, indifferent thoughts.

According to the statistical metrics run by Torvik RosterCast, with addn's of Frank Mitchell and Brennan Rigsby, MN has the current #68 strongest roster in college bb.

Shockingly, if MN adds Lu'Cye Patterson alone, MN roster improves to #55 which is a huge jump compared to the potential addn's I have plugged in the past few weeks.

If MN then adds Trey Edmonds, Femi Odukale, or Ken Evans the roster improves to #50 with the expected improvement in AdjOE (115) and AdjDE (99).

Interestingly, if MN adds Christian Reeves (7' Dook) instead of Edmonds or Odukale, our roster sits at #51. This is probably because RosterCast uses players statistics/value, and Reeves has a small sample size due to injuries his first 2 yrs.

The other news is that the Big Ten is going to be very strong in the upcoming season. Currently, the Big Ten roster rankings sit as follows, and the portal is still wide open...

UCLA #9
Purdue #10
Mich. St. #16
Indiana #18
USC #20
Nebraska #21
Michigan #23
Rutgers #29
Northwestern #30
Wisconsin #34
Ohio St. #35
Maryland #41
Oregon #44
Illinois #52
Iowa #56
Washington #81
Penn St. #87

After watching tape on the potential transfers available to MN currently, my choice of 3 future Gophers would be Patterson, Evans, and Reeves/Edmonds closely following. Its all theoretical at this point, team chemistry is huge, but it is clear that MN has some work to do before summer practices start. Its very doable. Go Gophers!
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Thank you for doing that. We don't know how closely this kind of statistical analysis will mirror the actual results next season but it does give a glimpse of the possibilities. I'd be fairly shocked if Illinois doesn't end up higher than their number here and mildly shocked in Purdue ends as high as their number.

Question: Does the order of entering players into this analysis have an effect on the ranking? I'm wondering because there is virtually no difference between entering any of those last 4 players you listed. It would make sense for a computer program to weight those players lower who are considered bench players.
 


bga1 said:
As of the moment:

Garcia
Mitchell
Rigsby
Mitchell
Asuma

Betts
Grove
Fox

Need 5 more: Can we get Patterson, Evans, Edmunds??? We have zero guard depth at the moment.
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Our chances of Christie returning improve if we don't see him enter the transfer portal today. That would give us 9. Even if he didn't, I don't think we'll have 5 more additions. If I had to bet, I would say 11 scholarship players with the last two scholarship players being walk-ons. I don't think we can afford any more unless Ben is able to get some international player like Kleinys.

EDIT: just saw that Christie entered the transfer portal. Yuck!
 

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