Gopher Fans a Joke?

[bankonit]

the board would be a hell of a lot less negative had Brewster picked Gray to start and people would be excited about future possibilities and be talking about the new era. Instead Brewster's choice leads us to the same old same old here we go again. It was an idiotic choice by Brewster, both in the timing of it and in the decision.

 

[GophersInIowa]

the board would be a hell of a lot less negative had Brewster picked Gray to start and people would be excited about future possibilities and be talking about the new era. Instead Brewster's choice leads us to the same old same old here we go again. It was an idiotic choice by Brewster, both in the timing of it and in the decision.

So tell me, how many practices, film sessions, and meetings have you been to?

 

[maxwellsmart]

There's more complaining on this board about the complainers than about the Gophers. Boo, hoo. Some people don't like the Gophers as much as you or have higher expectations than you. Just get over it.

This is quite the numb post. Well done.

 

[maxwellsmart]

I have to agree that the negativity sucks around here but you can't blame people. I am sick of losing to the likes of Wiscy and the Pigs from the South. It was easier to be nonchalant about losing in the Metrodome but when you shell out $1600 a year to see your beloved Gophers play in the new TCF stadium... you begin to expect something in return. Brewster has one year left and if he can't turn things around this year than he has to be shown the door! When you really look at where this program is compared to 4 years ago under Mason...you have to be dissapointed. Brewster has a bigger recruiting budget and 100% better facilities to bring top atheletes to the U. However, the only difference I see is that we are playing higher caliber teams and an overall harder schedule. Brewster's recruiting rankings have gone down recently and this is the time when we should be talking about stud players he recruited 2-3 years ago. I am personally looking forward to the season but some players are really going to have to step up and have career years for this year to be a success. Go Gophers!

Now, here Ms. Maroon, in this post you are able to hear the real whining, pouting sense of entitlement that sparks rebuttal. Paraphrased, "I'm putting out so much that I deserve something in return." Very ugly. I'd feel a lot happier if fans like the one that wrote this nonsense would stop using terms like "we" when the crux of the issue being raised is really "I".

 

[Too Long in the Wasteland]

As to the Gray and Weber question, I personally have stood behind Weber through his career here, not because I think he's the answer, but because I trust the coaching staff to know who gives them the best chance to win. Arguments about who should be starting, conducted by a group of people who don't have 1/10th the knowledge of the situation as the decision-makers, generally strike me as asinine and pointless. (Unless, of course, there's some glaring conflict of interest or demonstrated lack of good judgment on the decision-maker's part.)

As to the mood on the board...I get pissed at the constant Brewster and Weber bashers just as much as most of the people here seem to. But it's hard to be passionate about a consistently disappointing team, and you have to give people a little leeway when they get negative. They're pissed off because they care, too. If someone makes a bad point, I'm the first to criticize (and that happens a LOT in the various Brew/Mason and Weber/Gray arguments that sprout up in these parts). But just because someone isn't as informed or as smart as me (and, really, few people are) doesn't make them trolls or bad fans.

One would hope that the coaching staff would have a better handle on who should be starting than all the yahoos on this board (your modesty notwithstanding). And from what little I've seen of Gray I don't think he's ready for prime time, either. What is galling to me, however, is that going into Brewster's fourth season Weber is still the best option. Brewster came in here on a wave of hype about his being a recruiter extraordinaire. He gets a pass on his 2007 class, and his 2008 class was very impressive. But since then, not so much. More importantly, he hasn't recruited anyone to knock two Mason guys (Weber & Bennett) off the top of the depth chart at the two most important offensive positions.

I believe that all these players are trying their hardest, and they want to win more than we do. So the question is, why haven't the Gophers been more successful? Is it lack of talent? Poor coaching? I think Jedd Fisch was a waste of a season offensively. Bad luck?

 

[Monty519]

There's a thought here that concerns the issue of "criticizing" the program. You have those who think ANY type of negative vibes on the program needs to not be said. This is a small minority, but they exist. If a story comes out about a Gopher arrest, they flip out about how the media is screwing over the Gophers (sometimes valid, most of the time, not really, but I understand it a little bit). Then you have those more in the middle, who are pretty unbiased about their feelings about the program, maybe lean more positive than negative (or visa versa), but can see "both sides of the story", if you will. Then you have those, who virtually find a negative in almost everything that is reported, posted, or whatever, Gopher related. An article about improved grad rates, leads to a mention of "well how many arrests?" or something like that. Very irritating, and while not a major group either, is a very LOUD group.

I don't know why people can't just take some things for what they are, without putting their little negative or positive slants and biases on it. I mean, I guess that's what a message board is about, but it still can be quite annoying. But leave the immaturity at home, please, just be reasonable about what you discuss and most of the time, you won't see issues. It's when people go over the top with things, like "OMG Adam Weber isn't a Div 1 QB!!!!11!" then it becomes just utterly annoying.

 

[lakesgopher]

There's a thought here that concerns the issue of "criticizing" the program. You have those who think ANY type of negative vibes on the program needs to not be said. This is a small minority, but they exist. If a story comes out about a Gopher arrest, they flip out about how the media is screwing over the Gophers (sometimes valid, most of the time, not really, but I understand it a little bit). Then you have those more in the middle, who are pretty unbiased about their feelings about the program, maybe lean more positive than negative (or visa versa), but can see "both sides of the story", if you will. Then you have those, who virtually find a negative in almost everything that is reported, posted, or whatever, Gopher related. An article about improved grad rates, leads to a mention of "well how many arrests?" or something like that. Very irritating, and while not a major group either, is a very LOUD group.

I don't know why people can't just take some things for what they are, without putting their little negative or positive slants and biases on it. I mean, I guess that's what a message board is about, but it still can be quite annoying. But leave the immaturity at home, please, just be reasonable about what you discuss and most of the time, you won't see issues. It's when people go over the top with things, like "OMG Adam Weber isn't a Div 1 QB!!!!11!" then it becomes just utterly annoying.

I have issues with this team, secondary is thin front 7 young, offense line has been pretty bad, but I enjoy talking about why we can be successful rather than why we won't! front 7 is fast, athletic, big, and excited. oline looks much improved and more athletic. I thought all the qb's looked raw but weber was the only one that looked like he had control and swag. I like this team and I'm excited for the season

 

[SPCPrice21]

I didn't realize there was a dress code.

I agree about the instant gratification. OTOH, Brewster made his own bed by creating high expectations. Don't promise what you can't deliver. If Brewster had said on day 1 it would take 4 seasons to get to the Outback bowl instead of yelling "Pasadena!" at every opportunity there wouldn't be as much griping on this board right now.

So if Brewster wouldve came in here and said. Alright guys, lets see if we can continue to win 6 maybe 7 games a year. What gopher fan would've been content with that? Of course not. So he shouldve never said were gonna go to the rose bowl? Lets all just settle for a 7th place in the BT and go to some random bowl. Probably the dumbest thing ive read in a while. Of course hes gonna say were going to the Rose bowl. Hes gotta sell it to his players, coaches, and recruits. Hes improving year in and out. He needs to find and settle on a good offensive coordinator. How can he produce offensive talent when he has a new playbook every year?

 

[Too Long in the Wasteland]

I totally agree that Pasadena is the ultimate goal, and Brewster is right to strive for that. But maybe that stunt with the patch of sod in the locker room was a tad premature? Brewster certainly could have tempered expectations a little bit. Maybe tell folks that it will take a couple of years to get to the point where we can compete for the BT championship, and then start racheting up the Rose Bowl hype. There's a concept in advertising called an "Implied claim which gets a lot of companies in trouble (like when Viagra aired an ad that implied that taking that little blue pill would get you laid). That's kind of the pitch Brewster was giving before he had ever coached a game, and yes, he got in trouble for it, particularly with our curmudgeon media.

Yes, you need to sell recruits on the program. And I agree with your comments that he needs to settle on an offensive philosophy and stick with it. As for your "he's improving year in and out", I'm a little skeptical. If we can make it through this season without burning 2 time outs in a row I'll be more of a believer in that one.

 

[ruralgopher]

You'd have rather he brought in sod from Tempe?

 

[magpie]

I have been on GH for a while and I'm trying to figure out if the majority of GopherNation is a joke? All I ever read on here is why the Gopher's suck, why Brewster sucks, why Maturi should be fired, and most of all why Weber is the worst qb in Gopher history.

Are all Americans a joke because they complain about the inept government - or are they simply voicing their desire for change? Quit trolling.

it really stresses me out how many of you guys have given up before the season even gets here.

No one has given up on the season, so much as they're calling out the head coach to make a change rather than beat the same ol' horse into the ground.

 

[lakesgopher]

Are all Americans a joke because they complain about the inept government - or are they simply voicing their desire for change?

I didnt have a vote for the coaching staff like i do with politicians...so i think politics and athletics are no where near the same level.

im not a democrat and i dont walk around telling everyone that obama is an idiot for his beliefs. the man is a good politician. many of you act like 10 yr olds on a playground because from an arm chair you know more about the athletes on the team then the coaching staff. you act like brewster is wanting to play weber over gray, not because weber is better but because they may have some bond. gray is proving behind the scenes he isnt ready and i think brew is scared to play gray full time from what he sees on a day to day basis. coaches have a tough job because parents and fans are always smarter then the coach, whether the coach is right or wrong.

 

[Goldyrocks]

You think that weber is actually good? Cupito was way better. Brewster doesn't even believe in weber. If he keeps saying gray is "one play away" then he has barely any trust in him

 

[lakesgopher]

You think that weber is actually good? Cupito was way better. Brewster doesn't even believe in weber. If he keeps saying gray is "one play away" then he has barely any trust in him

I don't see a difference between cupito and weber other than weber been twice the athlete that bryan was. I think weber would have been just as good with cupito's situation and cupito would have been worse because he couldn't run. cupito was given a dominate run game and still couldn't win

 

[began11]

Now, here Ms. Maroon, in this post you are able to hear the real whining, pouting sense of entitlement that sparks rebuttal. Paraphrased, "I'm putting out so much that I deserve something in return." Very ugly. I'd feel a lot happier if fans like the one that wrote this nonsense would stop using terms like "we" when the crux of the issue being raised is really "I".

Hey Mr. Smart,

If it wasn't for fans like me the hockey arena, football stadium, and basketball arena wouldn't be full. I support this state and the University of Minnesota with money and fan support. You are right that I expect something in return. We have all the resources and facilities to make this team great and I am sick of seeing Wisconsin and Iowa succeed while we continue to regress. This is not a high school team. I wouldn't be on this board and have to deal with posers like you if I was not a real fan. So say hi to mom when she brings you your meatloaf tonight! Get a life.

 

[GhostofBronko]

Brewster doesn't even believe in weber. If he keeps saying gray is "one play away" then he has barely any trust in him

If you'd been following football for more than 3 months, you'd know that "one play away" is a tired cliche referring to the possibility of injury, not quality of play.

What it come down to is that either*:
a) Gray is better than Weber, and the coaching staff is too incompetent to recognize it, or
b) Weber, as bad as he may be, is clearly better than Gray

* Of course, even if b) is the right answer, that doesn't mean the coaching staff is competent.

 

[Schnoodler]

If you'd been following football for more than 3 months, you'd know that "one play away" is a tired cliche referring to the possibility of injury, not quality of play.

What it come down to is that either*:
a) Gray is better than Weber, and the coaching staff is too incompetent to recognize it, or
b) Weber, as bad as he may be, is clearly better than Gray

* Of course, even if b) is the right answer, that doesn't mean the coaching staff is competent.

It amazes me how little people know and how loud those same folks can be.

 

[dpodoll68]

It amazes me how little people know and how loud those same folks can be.

It amazes me how people can spend 6,000 posts spouting their trite, "I know better than you"-type posts with absolutely no content, and somehow get praised for it!

 

[maxwellsmart]

Hey Mr. Smart,

If it wasn't for fans like me the hockey arena, football stadium, and basketball arena wouldn't be full. I support this state and the University of Minnesota with money and fan support. You are right that I expect something in return. We have all the resources and facilities to make this team great and I am sick of seeing Wisconsin and Iowa succeed while we continue to regress. This is not a high school team. I wouldn't be on this board and have to deal with posers like you if I was not a real fan. So say hi to mom when she brings you your meatloaf tonight! Get a life.

Yes, it takes a lot to "deal with posers like you" on this board. Have you tried the Ignore function? It might make your life more bearable as it relates to Gopher Hole. It certainly will enhance your quality of life as it pertains to my posts, because we do not agree and I doubt you can manage a serious discussion with someone who dares to think differently.

Aside from that, you're wonderful and should expect all you can grab in return for gracing our sports venues with your presence. Without you it just wouldn't be the same. Upon further reflection, I can't imagine what I was thinking when writing that post, other than the "what's in it for me" issue detracts from the writer's star level of fandom IMO. It indicates a weak-kneed unwillingness to offer unconditional support.

BTW, I notice from your post that you have a Minnetonka connection of one sort or another, so out of necessity will gladly excuse any leap of logic, false assumption or bad behavior you exhibit here. Now, now, no need to thank me. Trojan alums long ago learned the art of diplomacy when forced to deal with our neighbors to the south.