Fleck: I had a player walk in say, it's just business. I said it's not business here. There's a piece of business here, but this is not business.

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I also am friends with some people who know him personally, and they have always spoken highly about what a good guy he is. I've said before, I don't want us to get rid of him, but I wouldn't be super heartbroken if he left either.

For a resource-poor program, which we seem to be, he's been excellent at finding the pieces to fit into his system both on the field and personality-wise.
 


Unregistered User said:
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Your dad isn’t here to hurt you any more
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Aren't you the prize...your intuition meter is off by a very long ways. Your perception is even worse but you keep bashing people if it helps you get through the day.

My Dad is my hero! He accomplished more during his lifetime as a teacher, coach and parent than anyone who entered my life. He received two purple hearts and a bronze star in World War II serving his country. I'm very proud he was my Dad...so your take is well off the mark.

My experience with parents is from 20 years as a head high school and college coach. Those 20 years are spaced out over a 40 year window so I experienced the changes in parents happening over that timeline.

I had different families beg me to let their son live with me because I was the only person their kid would listen to. Deeply immersed in this topic. Also, had parents jump right over the athletic director to the principal to get me fired for the same reason....their kids didn't listen to them because their parents had no idea who their kid was. One group was help me in desperation and one group was outraged jealousy. In both groups over the years..they just didn't take the time to talk and listen to their kids.

But ya, I'm a wacko.
 

mngg11 said:
I think you overestimate how many parents aren't involved in their kids' development and push for them to be successful in life. There's a reason we've been so successful in gaining in the portal vs losing. We have the right kids in the program for the most part. Fleck recruits beyond the xs and os.
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I also coached AAU basketball ....had nearly 40 kids get offered scholarships through a lot of phone calls...only a couple of those were major DI schools. This was in four or five summers.
I would say the majority of those parents thought they were parent of the year because they spent the money to pay for their kid to play. By doing that, they felt their kid should be successful. Not by family values, work ethic or mindset taught and discussed at home.
And many times the players had single parents too busy to be a part of the whole process of raising a kid other than working to support the family. Single parents with 3, 4 or 5 kids. Lots of different ways parents don't know their kids,
Yes, there are exceptions but in my experience that's what they are...exceptions.

I have not paid close attention...but the signing photos of guys PJ recruits are often two parent families from my memory. That might be a background he desires. I coached a lot of separated or divorced or single parent kids.
 

60's Guy said:
I also coached AAU basketball ....had nearly 40 kids get offered scholarships through a lot of phone calls...only a couple of those were major DI schools. This was in four or five summers.
I would say the majority of those parents thought they were parent of the year because they spent the money to pay for their kid to play. By doing that, they felt their kid should be successful. Not by family values, work ethic or mindset taught and discussed at home.
And many times the players had single parents too busy to be a part of the whole process of raising a kid other than working to support the family. Single parents with 3, 4 or 5 kids. Lots of different ways parents don't know their kids,
Yes, there are exceptions but in my experience that's what they are...exceptions.

I have not paid close attention...but the signing photos of guys PJ recruits are often two parent families from my memory. That might be a background he desires. I coached a lot of separated or divorced or single parent kids.
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Background he desires? Wtf is wrong with you? He wants great athletes and better people that want to grow in life. Period.
 


MonikerSchmoniker45 said:
Background he desires? Wtf is wrong with you? He wants great athletes and better people that want to grow in life. Period.
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The starting line in life is not the same for everybody. I am sure when PJ talks about the right fit he has criteria. Experience has taught him what works most often...I just speculated that two parent families might be preferred? DT has a father in prison...one size doesn't fit all. Just suggesting I'm sure PJ has a checklist to predict what kids might work out and those with backgrounds that may not. It's about choices.
 

60's Guy said:
The starting line in life is not the same for everybody. I am sure when PJ talks about the right fit he has criteria. Experience has taught him what works most often...I just speculated that two parent families might be preferred? DT has a father in prison...one size doesn't fit all. Just suggesting I'm sure PJ has a checklist to predict what kids might work out and those with backgrounds that may not. It's about choices.
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Fair, but don't you think there's so much money to be made that even shitty parents would be involved because they recognize the "meal ticket."
 

60's Guy said:
Aren't you the prize...your intuition meter is off by a very long ways. Your perception is even worse but you keep bashing people if it helps you get through the day.

My Dad is my hero! He accomplished more during his lifetime as a teacher, coach and parent than anyone who entered my life. He received two purple hearts and a bronze star in World War II serving his country. I'm very proud he was my Dad...so your take is well off the mark.

My experience with parents is from 20 years as a head high school and college coach. Those 20 years are spaced out over a 40 year window so I experienced the changes in parents happening over that timeline.

I had different families beg me to let their son live with me because I was the only person their kid would listen to. Deeply immersed in this topic. Also, had parents jump right over the athletic director to the principal to get me fired for the same reason....their kids didn't listen to them because their parents had no idea who their kid was. One group was help me in desperation and one group was outraged jealousy. In both groups over the years..they just didn't take the time to talk and listen to their kids.

But ya, I'm a wacko.
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Get therapy
 




Gopherchase said:
I think 8 out of 9 in class c bowls would qualify as perennial.
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Fair point. Most have been 3rd tier games I would agree.

Kill/Claeys had them in the Citrus and Holiday Bowls, which I would consider a slight notch above most of the ones PJ has been in.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Fair point. Most have been 3rd tier games I would agree.

Kill/Claeys had them in the Citrus and Holiday Bowls, which I would consider a slight notch above most of the ones PJ has been in.
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We have been close many years. This year with all the struggles we beat Cal and NW and were whistling our way to a very nice match up. Gotta take that one step up as a program we are stuck in a rut.
 

MonikerSchmoniker45 said:
Fair, but don't you think there's so much money to be made that even shitty parents would be involved because they recognize the "meal ticket."
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Across all sports...how many DI athletes are there in Minnesota? Not many. There is some delusion but overall it becomes apparent to most that there are a lot more kids more talented than theirs...say AAU basketball and you travel to tournaments with much better athletes and talent.
 

Unregistered User said:
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You two have a long running beef about something we’re not aware of?

I think maybe you’re taking a harsh view of his comments. My read is 60s guy experienced a lot of lousy out to lunch parents as a longtime coach, decided to relay his experience as a coach after the tweet suggested some disagreeable motivations for players/agents/parents. I don’t think that’s an outlandish anecdote.

It get a little cultish in here sometimes. It isn’t crazy to suggest PJ is maybe a little bit better life coach than football coach (but is successful in both…settle down) and by his own statement in the tweet indicates he screens for coachable players with the proper motivations. Like any person looking for a partner, employee.
 



Pompous Elitist said:
You two have a long running beef about something we’re not aware of?

I think maybe you’re taking a harsh view of his comments. My read is 60s guy experienced a lot of lousy out to lunch parents as a longtime coach, decided to relay his experience as a coach after the tweet suggested some disagreeable motivations for players/agents/parents. I don’t think that’s an outlandish anecdote.

It get a little cultish in here sometimes. It isn’t crazy to suggest PJ is maybe a little bit better life coach than football coach (but is successful in both…settle down) and by his own statement in the tweet indicates he screens for coachable players with the proper motivations. Like any person looking for a partner, employee.
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Well one of the things I've learned about life is that sometimes you go where the money takes you. Doesn't mean you can't have relationships along the way.
Its easy for Fleck to tell a young student athlete that its not about business when everytime his name comes up in a coaching vacancy he gets a raise. College football is a business to its very core and always has been.
 

BronkosGhost said:
Well one of the things I've learned about life is that sometimes you go where the money takes you. Doesn't mean you can't have relationships along the way.
Its easy for Fleck to tell a young student athlete that its not about business when everytime his name comes up in a coaching vacancy he gets a raise. College football is a business to its very core and always has been.
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I'm not sure PJ is fundamentally opposed to players chasing the money. I think he believes it should be more than that, but we've had guys supposedly leave for the money and PJ say good things about them too.

Just like a job it's the money, but you can also chase the money to a place where the people suck and it's just a not a good place.

It's a balance.

I know some folks whose career has been just purely chasing the $, and they end up place after place where they go there to extract whatever $ they can while they work there and ... they find the employers with the same attitude towards them and wonder why they hate it there.

I'm all "Maybe that place that didn't pay top dollar, but you liked working at and the people liked you ... was a good place?" But no they chase every last penny and wonder why they hate their job.
 

When they announced PJ’s hiring I was not a fan. I went to his first recruiting social (wish they still had those) and he won me over. It was more about what the recruits said about him than it was what he said to the audience. Big PJ fan. Still don’t agree will some of the players calling though
 

BronkosGhost said:
Well one of the things I've learned about life is that sometimes you go where the money takes you. Doesn't mean you can't have relationships along the way.
Its easy for Fleck to tell a young student athlete that its not about business when everytime his name comes up in a coaching vacancy he gets a raise. College football is a business to its very core and always has been.
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Says right in the thread title that he tells players it is not all business but there is a business piece too it.

College athletics has always had a business aspect to it but that has accelerated a massive amount in the last 15-20 years as TV contracts have gotten massive, coaching salaries have exploded and now players are getting paid as well. Much of what used to make college athletics special has been stripped away as it has become more and more about money.
 

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