Fleck: I had a player walk in say, it's just business. I said it's not business here. There's a piece of business here, but this is not business.

[disco]

I also am friends with some people who know him personally, and they have always spoken highly about what a good guy he is. I've said before, I don't want us to get rid of him, but I wouldn't be super heartbroken if he left either.

For a resource-poor program, which we seem to be, he's been excellent at finding the pieces to fit into his system both on the field and personality-wise.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

I'm all for what if being said here, but it also comes across as managing on field expectations for his program never being anything more than a perennial C-tier bowl team.

The Outback Bowl is not a C tier bowl.

 

[60's Guy]

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Your dad isn’t here to hurt you any more

Aren't you the prize...your intuition meter is off by a very long ways. Your perception is even worse but you keep bashing people if it helps you get through the day.

My Dad is my hero! He accomplished more during his lifetime as a teacher, coach and parent than anyone who entered my life. He received two purple hearts and a bronze star in World War II serving his country. I'm very proud he was my Dad...so your take is well off the mark.

My experience with parents is from 20 years as a head high school and college coach. Those 20 years are spaced out over a 40 year window so I experienced the changes in parents happening over that timeline.

I had different families beg me to let their son live with me because I was the only person their kid would listen to. Deeply immersed in this topic. Also, had parents jump right over the athletic director to the principal to get me fired for the same reason....their kids didn't listen to them because their parents had no idea who their kid was. One group was help me in desperation and one group was outraged jealousy. In both groups over the years..they just didn't take the time to talk and listen to their kids.

But ya, I'm a wacko.

 

[60's Guy]

I think you overestimate how many parents aren't involved in their kids' development and push for them to be successful in life. There's a reason we've been so successful in gaining in the portal vs losing. We have the right kids in the program for the most part. Fleck recruits beyond the xs and os.

I also coached AAU basketball ....had nearly 40 kids get offered scholarships through a lot of phone calls...only a couple of those were major DI schools. This was in four or five summers.
I would say the majority of those parents thought they were parent of the year because they spent the money to pay for their kid to play. By doing that, they felt their kid should be successful. Not by family values, work ethic or mindset taught and discussed at home.
And many times the players had single parents too busy to be a part of the whole process of raising a kid other than working to support the family. Single parents with 3, 4 or 5 kids. Lots of different ways parents don't know their kids,
Yes, there are exceptions but in my experience that's what they are...exceptions.

I have not paid close attention...but the signing photos of guys PJ recruits are often two parent families from my memory. That might be a background he desires. I coached a lot of separated or divorced or single parent kids.

 

[MonikerSchmoniker45]

I also coached AAU basketball ....had nearly 40 kids get offered scholarships through a lot of phone calls...only a couple of those were major DI schools. This was in four or five summers.
I would say the majority of those parents thought they were parent of the year because they spent the money to pay for their kid to play. By doing that, they felt their kid should be successful. Not by family values, work ethic or mindset taught and discussed at home.
And many times the players had single parents too busy to be a part of the whole process of raising a kid other than working to support the family. Single parents with 3, 4 or 5 kids. Lots of different ways parents don't know their kids,
Yes, there are exceptions but in my experience that's what they are...exceptions.

I have not paid close attention...but the signing photos of guys PJ recruits are often two parent families from my memory. That might be a background he desires. I coached a lot of separated or divorced or single parent kids.

Background he desires? Wtf is wrong with you? He wants great athletes and better people that want to grow in life. Period.

 

[60's Guy]

Background he desires? Wtf is wrong with you? He wants great athletes and better people that want to grow in life. Period.

The starting line in life is not the same for everybody. I am sure when PJ talks about the right fit he has criteria. Experience has taught him what works most often...I just speculated that two parent families might be preferred? DT has a father in prison...one size doesn't fit all. Just suggesting I'm sure PJ has a checklist to predict what kids might work out and those with backgrounds that may not. It's about choices.

 

[MonikerSchmoniker45]

The starting line in life is not the same for everybody. I am sure when PJ talks about the right fit he has criteria. Experience has taught him what works most often...I just speculated that two parent families might be preferred? DT has a father in prison...one size doesn't fit all. Just suggesting I'm sure PJ has a checklist to predict what kids might work out and those with backgrounds that may not. It's about choices.

Fair, but don't you think there's so much money to be made that even shitty parents would be involved because they recognize the "meal ticket."

 

[Unregistered User]

Aren't you the prize...your intuition meter is off by a very long ways. Your perception is even worse but you keep bashing people if it helps you get through the day.

My Dad is my hero! He accomplished more during his lifetime as a teacher, coach and parent than anyone who entered my life. He received two purple hearts and a bronze star in World War II serving his country. I'm very proud he was my Dad...so your take is well off the mark.

My experience with parents is from 20 years as a head high school and college coach. Those 20 years are spaced out over a 40 year window so I experienced the changes in parents happening over that timeline.

I had different families beg me to let their son live with me because I was the only person their kid would listen to. Deeply immersed in this topic. Also, had parents jump right over the athletic director to the principal to get me fired for the same reason....their kids didn't listen to them because their parents had no idea who their kid was. One group was help me in desperation and one group was outraged jealousy. In both groups over the years..they just didn't take the time to talk and listen to their kids.

But ya, I'm a wacko.

Get therapy