I was going to say I'd love for this to become a huge rivalry again but screw it, let's pound these guys into the ground year in, year out. Time for the pendulum to swing back in our favor for 20 years straight.
We don’t know the specifics of the “negative recruiting”. The term
Does this work against us? I would imagine it's in our favor for most prospects.Any of the big city vs. college town arguments.
Flipping is not the same as negative recruiting. And it takes the kid leaving his recruitment open for a flip to occur. I didn't take Fleck mentioning it as whiny, I took it as him puffing his chest out about being above that sort of tactic and overcoming those tactics that some other programs do. In fact, it could be shown as a negative attack back at Fickel I suppose. I'm never going to hold it against a coach for standing up for himself and the program he represents. It's a good thing for us and why some of us hold Brewster in high regard despite his coaching acumen.I have no problem with playing Jump Around at the Bank or having the department tweet out something snarky to tweek a rival. To me, the HC talking about it at a presser rises to a different level and comes across as whiney, but to each his own. We flipped a couple of guys, so it is not as if we view a verbal commitment as a stop sign. It’s quite possible that Vandy wasn’t thrilled that we flipped their receiver and just might feel that we recruited negatively to get that accomplished.
If Fleck can beat WI 50-0, and hold TOP of 45min or better every game against them I would love it. Make them look back on the Alvarez years like we do of our national championship years. Make them give up football like they did their baseball program. Empty out their effing stadium of fans.I was going to say I'd love for this to become a huge rivalry again but screw it, let's pound these guys into the ground year in, year out. Time for the pendulum to swing back in our favor for 20 years straight.
Why are you so easily offended by everythingThis is becoming a babushka of irony.
If those here arent aware, there's a strong dislike between Fleck and Fickell that dates back to this exact time frame. Some interesting stories have been told about Fickell and Fleck at practices. I can't confirm personally, but it will make this rivalry fun again if they're even remotely true.The two of them could have some history, they were both on staff at Ohio State in 2006.
I'm gonna be honest. I wasn't expecting to read the word "babushka" today.This is becoming a babushka of irony.
From the stories I have read, I’m excited about which of the two the gophers have.If those here arent aware, there's a strong dislike between Fleck and Fickell that dates back to this exact time frame. Some interesting stories have been told about Fickell and Fleck at practices. I can't confirm personally, but it will make this rivalry fun again if they're even remotely true.
The OP tweet says late in the cycle.PJ did say it was "early on" when talking about Owusu so maybe he was talking about the previous staff?
Head to head would be way down on the list of things to use. 13 of their last 17 seasons have been nine or more win seasons and ranked. Been to the B1G championship five times in the last 12 years. Been to Rose, Cotton, and Orange bowls in that stretch. Pretty easy to say to a recruit "How does that compare to MN? How do we compare to MN since Fleck has been there?"Fleck is 3-3 and no kid getting recruited cares about anything before Fleck.
Stats are all adjustable. WI has had 3 coaches in the last 10 years and hasn't won the B1G in that stretch. Since Fleck has been at MN. The first 2 years WI was 14-4 and MN was 5-13. Last 4 years WI is 20-13 and MN is 21-13.Head to head would be way down on the list of things to use. 13 of their last 17 seasons have been nine or more win seasons and ranked. Been to the B1G championship five times in the last 12 years. Been to Rose, Cotton, and Orange bowls in that stretch. Pretty easy to say to a recruit "How does that compare to MN? How do we compare to MN since Fleck has been there?"
Fickell, rearranged, is IL + FLECK. Fickell is also a homonym of "fickle." Not sure what it means, but for now I'd rather be MN than WI.
Wisc has been to the B1G championship twice in that stretch. Easy to say to a recruit that they (Gophs) want to be us (Wisc).Stats are all adjustable. WI has had 3 coaches in the last 10 years and hasn't won the B1G in that stretch. Since Fleck has been at MN. The first 2 years WI was 14-4 and MN was 5-13. Last 4 years WI is 20-13 and MN is 21-13.
Negative recruiting likely isn't using any of these stats anyway. I don't consider sharing program on field marks as negative recruiting. Negative recruiting is likely character, culture, and bordering on personal.
Apparently the Badgers have been recruiting negatively for a long time.Good Lord, these programs aren't even comparable last 25-30 years
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I think the same as well.BTW, I'd bet that Fleck would have ignored negative recruiting that was something generalized about Minnesota or the Gophers team. I suspect that to get a rise out of Fleck the "negative recruiting" materials must have been an ad hominem criticism of (or attack) on Fleck personally. I think he's a little touchy about stuff like that (aren't we all).
Luke Fuckle or maybe Luke DickleI, for one, from now on will only refer to the Fadger coach as Fickle or some other derivative.
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So has northwesternWisc has been to the B1G championship twice in that stretch. Easy to say to a recruit that they (Gophs) want to be us (Wisc).
Yep, just think of how Fleck's recruiting might be stronger if Gophs had.So has northwestern
It’s almost as if division titles mean something but not everything
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