FICTIONAL Tubby "trial" In Court Of Public Opinion

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I would LOVE to defend Coach Smith in a hypothetical Court Of Public Opinion (as represented by SOME fans, not all). Imagine it going something like this:

Me - What is your dispute with Mr Smith?

"Fan" - Mr. Smith does not live up to UK standards.

Me - What standards are those?

"Fan" - We have the #1 W-L record of all-time.

Me - What is your W-L record?

"Fan" - We have 76% W-L record.

Me - Mr. Smith was 263-83 for 76% W-L record at UK.

"Fan" - Umm, yeah, but he doesn't live up to our NCAA tournament standards.

Me - What is your W-L record in NCAA tournament play?

"Fan" - We are 103-46 (69%) in NCAA tournament games.

Me - Mr Smith was 23-9 (72%) in NCAA tournament games at UK.

"Fan" - Yeah, well, but it's easier to win NCAA games since more teams were added in 1975.

Me - What is your NCAA W-L record since 1975 then?

"Fan" - We are 72-27 (73%) in that timeframe.

Me - I just told you that Mr Smith has won 72% of his NCAA games at UK.

"Fan" - Yeah, but we expect championships at UK.

Me - How many championships have you won?

"Fan" - We have won 7 NCAA championships (in 72 years since NCAA tournament began in 1939).

Me - That's 1 NCAA title about every 10 years then.

"Fan" - Yessir, that's right!

Me - Mr. Smith won 1 NCAA title in his 10 years at UK.

"Fan" - Umm, yeah, but UK has won or shared 44 SEC titles in 78 years of SEC play.

Me - That's 56% of the time, you win or share the SEC title then.

"Fan" - Yessir, that's right!

Me - Mr. Smith has won or shared 5 SEC titles in his 10 years at UK, or 50% of the time.

"Fan" - We prefer Rick Pitino as a basketball coach.

Me - How has Mr. Pitino done the past 10 years?

"Fan" - He is 239-92 at Louisville.

Me - That's 72% W-L record. Why do you prefer that to 76% by Mr. Smith?

"Fan" - Well, Pitino is better coach than Tubby.

Me - But Mr. Smith has won 5 of 7 games against Mr. Pitino in those 10 years.

"Fan" - Well, we REALLY prefer Calipari instead.

Me - Mr. Calipari has 2 FF appearances (both later vacated by NCAA violations) in 19 years. That's about 1 FF every 10 years, like Mr. Smith.

"Fan" - Umm, well, umm…

Me - I rest my case, your honor.

(5 minutes later)...

Judge - Mr (jury) foreman, have you reached a verdict?

Jury - Yes, your honor, we have.

Judge - What say ye then?

Jury - We find in favor of Mr. Smith!
 

FoT, we get your stance/opinion on Tubby.

You posted the same "trial" last year, and the year before. It doesn't need to be an annual bit.

Notice, the whole thing is in regards to UK, Tubby & Calipari. Tubby now coaches at the U of MN (note: that doesn't mean we need a MN "trial" for Tubby either).
 


ShowinGoldyLove said:
FoT, we get your stance/opinion on Tubby.

You posted the same "trial" last year, and the year before. It doesn't need to be an annual bit.

Notice, the whole thing is in regards to UK, Tubby & Calipari. Tubby now coaches at the U of MN (note: that doesn't mean we need a MN "trial" for Tubby either).
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This is updated version.

Actually I believe Gopher fans have every right to expect (a) 25 W seasons most years (b) B10 title contenders (c) Top 3-4 programs in B10 and (d) postseason W in NCAA games.
 

Numbers can be played many ways.

While Tubby's NCAA percentage is as good as UK overall percentage
you fail to mention that Tubby got the benefit of playing all of his
years at UK with the 64 team field.

That means that Tubby got to play 2 extra games that some, not all
UK coaches got to play. Considering that UK normally went into the
NCAA with a high seed that means they were playing a low seeded
team. Point being they started off the tournament winning against
lesser teams that they SHOULD beat.

Look at the whole "win 20 games" argument
When Rupp and Wooden were coaching they had many
seasons where they only played 25 games the whole year, tournament included.
Now most teams play almost 30 games a year so winning 20 doesn't mean
what it did 30 years ago.
To win 20 now means you win about 66 % of your games.
If you wish to give Tubby credit for winning 20 each year then you need
to also mention how he loses 10 or more each year also.

UK fans got fed up with Tubby because of the direction the program was
headed in during the last few years of his tenure.
The last 2 seasons he lost 25 games, was unranked most of those 2 years,
finished in the middle of the SEC
and left the NCAA Tourn the 1st weekend.
The top players were not even making visits to UK anymore. They were
almost always picking other schools over UK
There were no indications that had Tubby stayed that anything was going
to get any better.

Your whole argument is that because Tubby did good at UK at some
point in the past he is still that same coach.
Coaches change as years go by and many don't end as well as they start.

Would you like to have Bobby Night coach the Gophers?
After all, he has more NCAA Titles than Tubby.
More Big Ten Titles than Tubby.

By your formula, Bobby would make a much better coach than Tubby.

It is more than obvious that you care for Tubby very deeply and think
he may be the best coach that has ever walked on a hardwood floor.
If that is your opinion, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Others have opinions also that may not match yours and they are just as valid.
 


nuggett said:
Numbers can be played many ways.

While Tubby's NCAA percentage is as good as UK overall percentage
you fail to mention that Tubby got the benefit of playing all of his
years at UK with the 64 team field.

That means that Tubby got to play 2 extra games that some, not all
UK coaches got to play. Considering that UK normally went into the
NCAA with a high seed that means they were playing a low seeded
team. Point being they started off the tournament winning against
lesser teams that they SHOULD beat.

Look at the whole "win 20 games" argument
When Rupp and Wooden were coaching they had many
seasons where they only played 25 games the whole year, tournament included.
Now most teams play almost 30 games a year so winning 20 doesn't mean
what it did 30 years ago.
To win 20 now means you win about 66 % of your games.
If you wish to give Tubby credit for winning 20 each year then you need
to also mention how he loses 10 or more each year also.

UK fans got fed up with Tubby because of the direction the program was
headed in during the last few years of his tenure.
The last 2 seasons he lost 25 games, was unranked most of those 2 years,
finished in the middle of the SEC
and left the NCAA Tourn the 1st weekend.
The top players were not even making visits to UK anymore. They were
almost always picking other schools over UK
There were no indications that had Tubby stayed that anything was going
to get any better.

Your whole argument is that because Tubby did good at UK at some
point in the past he is still that same coach.
Coaches change as years go by and many don't end as well as they start.

Would you like to have Bobby Night coach the Gophers?
After all, he has more NCAA Titles than Tubby.
More Big Ten Titles than Tubby.

By your formula, Bobby would make a much better coach than Tubby.

It is more than obvious that you care for Tubby very deeply and think
he may be the best coach that has ever walked on a hardwood floor.
If that is your opinion, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Others have opinions also that may not match yours and they are just as valid.
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I did address that issue. UK has won 73% of its NCAA game since the field expanded in 1975. Tubby won 72% of NCAA games at UK. Pretty similar, eh?

UK has consistently won 20+ games since WW2. Tubby was 10-for-10 (100%) on 20+ W years. UK (overall) is 54-for-66 (82%) on 20+ W seasons since WW2.

Tubby has 10+ L in 8 of the 17 straight years that he had 20+ W (1994 through 2010 seasons).

Bobby Knight is a better coach than ANY UK or Minnesota coach except Adolph Rupp.

Tubby was 44-25 in 2006 and 07 at UK. Billy Gillispie was 40-27 in 2008 and 09. Tubby was 42-25 those years at Minnesota.

I don't think anything of the sort. Tubby is one of the Top 10-15 active coaches today, nowhere near the best ever. That's ABSURD.
 

Nuggett and the other UK fans on trolling on this board, pretending to be Gopher fans can all suck it.

Preach on FOT.
 

nuggett said:
Would you like to have Bobby Night coach the Gophers?
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Is this a serious question?

I would rather have Bobby "Night" in his prime coaching the Gophers than perhaps any other coach in the history of college basketball.
 

nuggett said:
Numbers can be played many ways.

While Tubby's NCAA percentage is as good as UK overall percentage
you fail to mention that Tubby got the benefit of playing all of his
years at UK with the 64 team field.

That means that Tubby got to play 2 extra games that some, not all
UK coaches got to play. Considering that UK normally went into the
NCAA with a high seed that means they were playing a low seeded
team. Point being they started off the tournament winning against
lesser teams that they SHOULD beat.

Look at the whole "win 20 games" argument
When Rupp and Wooden were coaching they had many
seasons where they only played 25 games the whole year, tournament included.
Now most teams play almost 30 games a year so winning 20 doesn't mean
what it did 30 years ago.
To win 20 now means you win about 66 % of your games.
If you wish to give Tubby credit for winning 20 each year then you need
to also mention how he loses 10 or more each year also.

UK fans got fed up with Tubby because of the direction the program was
headed in during the last few years of his tenure.
The last 2 seasons he lost 25 games, was unranked most of those 2 years,
finished in the middle of the SEC
and left the NCAA Tourn the 1st weekend.
The top players were not even making visits to UK anymore. They were
almost always picking other schools over UK
There were no indications that had Tubby stayed that anything was going
to get any better.

Your whole argument is that because Tubby did good at UK at some
point in the past he is still that same coach.
Coaches change as years go by and many don't end as well as they start.

Would you like to have Bobby Night coach the Gophers?
After all, he has more NCAA Titles than Tubby.
More Big Ten Titles than Tubby.

By your formula, Bobby would make a much better coach than Tubby.

It is more than obvious that you care for Tubby very deeply and think
he may be the best coach that has ever walked on a hardwood floor.
If that is your opinion, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Others have opinions also that may not match yours and they are just as valid.
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Your current coach has not delivered like BCG? Is that why you are here again? Do want Tubby back?

The year that Tubby left, Uk was going to get Patterson, Lucas, and Green. These three plus Jasper and Meeks were going make one of the best teams in the country for several years.

Instead, you guys got a drunk coach named BCG who screwed up your dreams in 2 seasons.

Then, you got a cheater coach name Calamari. So far, he has crushed your dreams also.

It is time for you guys to understand that college basketball is changed. Teams like Vanderbilt are just as good as Uk in SEC.

Next year, Alabama will be the king of SEC again like this year. It was only Tubby who could owned SEC for ten years. You guys got what you deserved.

Go Gophers
 



The-Real-Truth said:
Your current coach has not delivered like BCG? Is that why you are here again? Do want Tubby back?

The year that Tubby left, Uk was going to get Patterson, Lucas, and Green. These three plus Jasper and Meeks were going make one of the best teams in the country for several years.

Instead, you guys got a drunk coach named BCG who screwed up your dreams in 2 seasons.

Then, you got a cheater coach name Calamari. So far, he has crushed your dreams also.

It is time for you guys to understand that college basketball is changed. Teams like Vanderbilt are just as good as Uk in SEC.

Next year, Alabama will be the king of SEC again like this year. It was only Tubby who could owned SEC for ten years. You guys got what you deserved.

Go Gophers
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With what will be one of the greatest recruiting classes of all-time in next year's class, combined with losing solely Josh Harrelson and Terrence Jones off of this season's squad, I believe it is safe to say that Kentucky will probably win the SEC next year and probably be the favorites for the national title. That being said, what is it with all of the UK talk on this board? I swear it is more prevalent than Wisky and Iowa chatter at times.
 


Gray4Heisman05 said:
With what will be one of the greatest recruiting classes of all-time in next year's class, combined with losing solely Josh Harrelson and Terrence Jones off of this season's squad, I believe it is safe to say that Kentucky will probably win the SEC next year and probably be the favorites for the national title. That being said, what is it with all of the UK talk on this board? I swear it is more prevalent than Wisky and Iowa chatter at times.
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I am not sure if I agree with this post. Knight and Lamb may not be around next year either. I don't care how many 5-Star players they get over there, they need some veterans. A great example is OSU this years. Do you think that Sullinger would have been able to win Big10 by himself? My former friends in UK, it ain't gonna happen. We'll be back here next year. Alabama will own UK and SEC for a while.

Go Gophers
 

dpodoll68 said:
Don't forget about Brandon Knight. Doron Lamb is a possibility too, though doubtful.
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I remember reading an article that talked about Knight's commitment to academics and wanting to complete his degree. Even heard he pulled off a 4.0 GPA last semester while taking not so easy classes such as calculus. Although he definitely does have the make up of a one and done athlete, being a Calipari point guard and all.
 



Gray4Heisman05 said:
I remember reading an article that talked about Knight's commitment to academics and wanting to complete his degree. Even heard he pulled off a 4.0 GPA last semester while taking not so easy classes such as calculus. Although he definitely does have the make up of a one and done athlete, being a Calipari point guard and all.
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Calipari is in his 19th year as college head coach. 3 of his frosh PG (Rose, Evans, Wall) were 1 & Done to the NBA. I think Knight will be the 4th. Hard to say, for sure.
 

Good god. Can we at least move this to the off-topic thread? No one cares about the tiny details of Kentucky basketball and Slick Cal.
 

howeda7 said:
Good god. Can we at least move this to the off-topic thread? No one cares about the tiny details of Kentucky basketball and Slick Cal.
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"Dithering Joel"

"Greater then 1"

"Twitter"

"Virginia"

There, now we've hit all of your areas of interest.
 

dpodoll68 said:
There, now we've hit all of your areas of interest.
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OK. Attack me and let the Kentucky trolls, who still use the Gopherhole 4 years later, carry on with their stupid debate. I'd like to know who uses more hair gel, 'BCG' 'OTS' or 'Calamari'? And how does this compare to Joe B. Hall and Rupp?
 

howeda7

howeda7 said:
Good god. Can we at least move this to the off-topic thread? No one cares about the tiny details of Kentucky basketball and Slick Cal.
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I agree. In fact I don't even care about generalities related to Kentucky basketball.

My interest in anything Kentucky is limited to two minutes on the first Saturday in May.
 

Section201 said:
I agree. In fact I don't even care about generalities related to Kentucky basketball.

My interest in anything Kentucky is limited to two minutes on the first Saturday in May.
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Yeah, but I bet you troll the LBSU message boards trashing Monson and comparing him to Clem and Dutcher all the time ;)
 


Wondering

how the Tubby Trial would go for only his time in Minnesota.
 

howeda7 said:
OK. Attack me and let the Kentucky trolls, who still use the Gopherhole 4 years later, carry on with their stupid debate. I'd like to know who uses more hair gel, 'BCG' 'OTS' or 'Calamari'? And how does this compare to Joe B. Hall and Rupp?
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Guess you took me off ignore, huh?
 

Doc1001 said:
how the Tubby Trial would go for only his time in Minnesota.
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His W-L record is > Minnesota all-time.

His W-L in NCAA is < Gopher history.

His B10 titles (0) is < Gophers all-time.

His B10T W-L record is > Gophers all-time.

His 20+ W seasons (3 of 3) are > Gopher history.

Hung jury, perhaps?
 


Friend Of Tubby said:
His W-L record is > Minnesota all-time.

His W-L in NCAA is < Gopher history.

His B10 titles (0) is < Gophers all-time.

His B10T W-L record is > Gophers all-time.

His 20+ W seasons (3 of 3) are > Gopher history.

Hung jury, perhaps?
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20 win seasons? So what.

Win conference and NCAA titles. That's what it is all about......
 

BarnBurner said:
20 win seasons? So what.

Win conference and NCAA titles. That's what it is all about......
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Gophers have 4 B10 titles in the modern era (since The Barn opened in 1920's).

Gophers have 0 NCAA titles since tourney began in 1939.
 

Let me just point out that the person whop has chosen to put Tubby on trial on this board is the person who is supposedly his "friend"
Stupid ill-advised thread, FOT.
 


Friend Of Tubby said:
He wins both trials EASILY.
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I don't know how you can be this dense. YOU have brought it up, and if you think people really care what YOU have decided in the "trial" YOU decided to hold you have lost your mind.
There is still plenty of support for Tubby here and frankly YOU aren't helping him with your mythical scenario.
 


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