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Never took you for a "moral victory" kind of guy. Wyoming's season has been good and the win at Boise State was big but do you think Bohl's post game speech after giving-up 69 points to UNLV, featured his difficulties at Wyoming? One more win and he passes their win total of 2011. If he get's some Power Five interest after this season good for him. Doubtful, but good for him. Some NDSU fans were livid when he left (bet they try to rewrite THAT history) but they've done very fine without him.

Wyoming fans would probably be upset, but they'd probably have nothing to worry about either.

As for "transitive property" line, didn't think you believed in that either. At least that's the postion you took not too long ago.

"It's not the math, it's the logic. Apparently, you are ready to crown NDSU B1G champions if UM wins out. You still believe in the transitive property of college football match-ups...most don't."

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csom_1991 said:
So - who do you predict will get more FBS interest in hiring them as a head coach this offseason - Bohl or TC? Is any school threatening to steal him away at this point or are we bidding against ourselves?
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How many P5 coaches truly get interest or have interest in other P5 jobs in 2016. TC has the job he wants. Who was the last P5 coach to leave for an immediate P5 job?

Alvarez has had the last two if I'm right.


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short ornery norwegian said:
Of course, you can have successful coaches with a variety of styles and approaches. I agree with you about Chryst. (I knew Chryst's father, who was a very successful D3 coach.)

I'm just saying that there are areas Claeys can improve on, and one of those areas is dealing with the media. Getting a few pointers from a PR or communications specialist wouldn't hurt, if it helps Claeys become a more effective communicator - with the media and hopefully a better salesman for the program with boosters and recruits.

And the appearance thing can be an issue. Like it or not, we have a very appearance-conscious society. A younger, more vigorous coach like Harbaugh comes off as more energetic. That may be seen as a plus by some boosters and recruits. A larger guy like Claeys - whether it's fair or not - may come off as less energetic. In a perfect world, it wouldn't matter. Claeys would be judged solely on his performance as a coach. But, it's not a perfect world, and people do judge other people based on appearance. In order to get better as a team, you try to improve areas where you need improvement. I just see this as an area where Claeys could benefit from a little improvement.
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Harbaugh is 5 years older than Claeys.

Also, stop with the superficial nonsense. It's beneath you.
 


MaxyJR1 said:
How many P5 coaches truly get interest or have interest in other P5 jobs in 2016. TC has the job he wants. Who was the last P5 coach to leave for an immediate P5 job?

Alvarez has had the last two if I'm right.


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This is the idiocy that so many have on this board. I call it the Lou Holtz effect. It happened to us once in 125 years of football so it must be something we should worry about? In the last 25 years, how many Big Ten Head Coaches have left for another P5 program? Serious...TC isn't going anywhere and if he is winning big games he will get paid...the money is there.
 


Bielema did - don't think we have to worry about any SEC teams scooping up TC at this point and we have less to offer than WI. TC has 2 years left on his contract - if he was blowing people's doors off and or generating huge excitement - we would see TX, etc mentioning his name. We don't. Instead, we will bid against ourselves on his contract extension.
 

csom_1991 said:
Bielema did - don't think we have to worry about any SEC teams scooping up TC at this point and we have less to offer than WI. TC has 2 years left on his contract - if he was blowing people's doors off and or generating huge excitement - we would see TX, etc mentioning his name. We don't. Instead, we will bid against ourselves on his contract extension.
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If we were 11-0. Claeys would already have an extension and there would be no talk of him going anywhere.

Bielema wanted out of Wisconsin.


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"Never took you for a "moral victory" kind of guy."

I'm not - a loss is a loss. AP voters and most of our fanbase disagrees with me however.

"Wyoming's season has been good and the win at Boise State was big but do you think Bohl's post game speech after giving-up 69 points to UNLV"

Well, motivated his kids to go out and beat 9-1 SDSU so it must have worked. Also, tells his school he wants more money/support (good for him if he stays) and tells the rest of the FBS that he is open to a place with less deficiencies (good for him if wants to move). So, seems like a win/win for him.

" One more win and he passes their win total of 2010. "

Not a single win in the bunch on par with beating SDSU this year or Boise State for that matter.

"If he get's some Power Five interest after this season good for him. Doubtful, but good for him. "

I think this is a sore-loser mentality held over from a few years back or delusional thinking. I will let the board decide.

"As for "transitive property" line, didn't think you believed in that either. "

I don't - I think we would play NDSU tough this year and have a 50/50 shot at beating them. But, voters unfortunately do look at that which is why our less to Iowa is a pretty bad despite Iowa having a decent season (but below expectation by their standards).
 

csom_1991 said:
"Never took you for a "moral victory" kind of guy."...
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Wow, that's a lot of B.S. in one post and without really addressing anything! Congrats:cool:

cost-1991: "It's not the math, it's the logic. Apparently, you are ready to crown NDSU B1G champions if UM wins out. You still believe in the transitive property of college football match-ups...most don't."
 



MNGoldenGophers1 said:
I'm not advocating going cheap. In fact, I thought Claeys should have received a five year contract from the get go and we wouldn't even be having this discussion but here we are. Without rehashing the whole situation with the original hiring of Claeys and whether you're willing to admit it, the reality of the situation as it stands is that by B1G standards we are currently paying a basement bottom price for our head coach. Hopefully in the future we pay going rates for top notch coaches.
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dude we dont have to rehash anything the formula is simple: set clear expectations for the program and pay accordingly at the market rate. there was zero chance claeys was getting a five year contract with the ****show at the athletic department, that would've been unacceptable
 

westcoastgopher11 said:
dude we dont have to rehash anything the formula is simple: set clear expectations for the program and pay accordingly at the market rate. there was zero chance claeys was getting a five year contract with the ****show at the athletic department, that would've been unacceptable
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5 years would have been fine, it was just unlikely an interim AD gets to make that move.
 

If Claeys started the season 9-0, he would not have negotiated with the U at that point if he was smart. 11-0 at Minnesota and he can write his own ticket for bigger name schools. I don't think he has nearly the loyalty to Minnesota as you seem to ascribe to him - loyalty was Kill's thing, - not TC's....CR and staff changes point to that. In fact, I like that about TC.
 




csom_1991 said:
If Claeys started the season 9-0, he would not have negotiated with the U at that point if he was smart. 11-0 at Minnesota and he can write his own ticket for bigger name schools. I don't think he has nearly the loyalty to Minnesota as you seem to ascribe to him - loyalty was Kill's thing, - not TC's....CR and staff changes point to that. In fact, I like that about TC.
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1 year of 11-0.... nobody is hiring based on that.
 

Iceland12 said:
Wow, that's a lot of B.S. in one post and without really addressing anything! "
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I think you need to re-read my post after you sober up. I look forward to re-engaging with you on this topic tomorrow.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
1 year of 11-0.... nobody is hiring based on that.
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Are you sleepwalking through the P. J. Fleck talk? Or the Tom Herman talk? Imagine that being done in the B1G and not the also-ran conferences. Yeah..no interest in them....
 

csom_1991 said:
Are you sleepwalking through the P. J. Fleck talk? Or the Tom Herman talk? Imagine that being done in the B1G and not the also-ran conferences. Yeah..no interest in them....
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PJ and Fleck have more than one year to your name....
 

csom_1991 said:
If Claeys started the season 9-0, he would not have negotiated with the U at that point if he was smart. 11-0 at Minnesota and he can write his own ticket for bigger name schools. I don't think he has nearly the loyalty to Minnesota as you seem to ascribe to him - loyalty was Kill's thing, - not TC's....CR and staff changes point to that. In fact, I like that about TC.
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Good for TC if he wants to be the savior at Kansas, but that's not a lot of leverage.


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A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
PJ and Fleck have more than one year to your name....
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two 8-5 seasons, one at 1-11, and a bunch of years as an assistant. If TC would have gone 11-0 in the B1G this year, his resume would be 10x stronger as he would have the added advantage of doing it in the big leagues + wins over Iowa, WI, PennSt, and Nebraska. Sorry, it would not even be a debate if TC went 11-0.
 

csom_1991 said:
Are you sleepwalking through the P. J. Fleck talk? Or the Tom Herman talk? Imagine that being done in the B1G and not the also-ran conferences. Yeah..no interest in them....
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They're not P5 coaches. They're attainable because they're not at a P5 school.


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csom_1991 said:
I think you need to re-read my post after you sober up. I look forward to re-engaging with you on this topic tomorrow.
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You assume nobody read your post. We did! That's why everybody is laughing at you!

"Sore loser, delusional, drunk"? Lame arguments and shows you're quite a class act. Has that always been your calling cards or only when you have nothing else.

Going back to watch the end of Washington whipping Green Bay. Not worried, you'll still be here..

csom-1991: "It's not the math, it's the logic. Apparently, you are ready to crown NDSU B1G champions if UM wins out. You still believe in the transitive property of college football match-ups...most don't."
 

csom_1991 said:
two 8-5 seasons, one at 1-11, and a bunch of years as an assistant. If TC would have gone 11-0 in the B1G this year, his resume would be 10x stronger as he would have the added advantage of doing it in the big leagues + wins over Iowa, WI, PennSt, and Nebraska. Sorry, it would not even be a debate if TC went 11-0.
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This is like some sort of Minnesota "they're coming to take our coaches" paranoia or something.... where if they'are not actually coming to take our coaches you imagine a situation where they are .... and you can't even get that right....
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
This is like some sort of Minnesota "they're coming to take our coaches" paranoia or something.... where if they'are not actually coming to take our coaches you imagine a situation where they are .... and you can't even get that right....
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I see where you problem is - seems you miss things that require basic logic and reasoning. I will pump the brakes and slow it down for you a bit. THERE IS NO OTHER PROGRAM INTERESTED IN TC AT THE P5 LEVEL RIGHT NOW. The reason why is because he is not 11-0 and the team has looked shaky. If he was 11-0, he would be looking at all his options (which would likely include TX) - not just looking to re-sign a deal that keeps him in bottom of the B1G pay scale. Heck, I think Kiffin makes more than TC as a coordinator.

So, to re-iterate - TC has basically ZERO other interested schools given his track record here. So, there is no point in rushing to do anything because we are only negotiating against ourselves. If he were 11-0, the situation would be completely different AND I don't think TC re-signing with us at that point is a sure thing. However, this is all MOOT as he is not 11-0 so the coaching world is looking at other candidates to hire - like Bohl, Fleck, etc.
 

Iceland12 said:
csom-1991: "It's not the math, it's the logic. Apparently, you are ready to crown NDSU B1G champions if UM wins out. You still believe in the transitive property of college football match-ups...most don't."
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Again - read this comment again and it states that I do not believe in the transitive power of college football. Read the other comment you are bent around the axle on and I again state - I do not believe in the transitive power of college football. So, I know you probably threw out your shoulder trying to pat yourself on the back, but you just prove my point for me.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
They're not P5 coaches. They're attainable because they're not at a P5 school.
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Every coach is attainable. It is a matter of finances. If we offered Saban a 10 year, $20M/year deal here - he would be on the next flight. Same will apply to Harbaugh when the NFL throws out $15-$20M per year offers.
 

csom_1991 said:
Again - read this comment again and it states that I do not believe in the transitive power of college football. Read the other comment you are bent around the axle on and I again state - I do not believe in the transitive power of college football...
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Yeah uh, huh. :rolleyes: And again, nothing but class in your response.

"I guess most people see a loss as a loss regardless of the moral victory we tend to assign to them. The scary thing is the 'transitive property of losses" given Iowa has beaten us."

It's hard to be consistent when you mainly just trying to troll people.

Know you're not gonna stop though. Even when you're wrong you never have the spine to admit it. You just ignored the point and prattle on and on and on... Though you do know that people can read your posts right? Might be some original, reasonable thoughts in there. You know among all the "I know you are but what am I" posts.

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/member.php?3447-csom_1991
 

csom_1991 said:
Every coach is attainable. It is a matter of finances. If we offered Saban a 10 year, $20M/year deal here - he would be on the next flight. Same will apply to Harbaugh when the NFL throws out $15-$20M per year offers.
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If it were that easy, wouldn't every school throw the bank at an elite coach by now? The revenue of an elite program would way out-benefit the cost for the coach.
 

Iceland12 said:
"I guess most people see a loss as a loss regardless of the moral victory we tend to assign to them. The scary thing is the 'transitive property of losses" given Iowa has beaten us."
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Is there another language you feel more comfortable communicating in other than English? Zhongwen, Tieng Viet, Espanol? I will try my best to help you out.

Reading my comment again slowly - you will notice 2 things:

1.) I never say that I assign any credibility to moral victories - so, strike one for you

2.) I never once say that I believe in the transitive property of college football - however, I recognize that many people do (which includes AP writers). - so, strike two for you

So, if you want to keep posting things and assigning false positions to me - feel free. However, you only have 1 strike remaining so make it count.
 

Gopher04 said:
If it were that easy, wouldn't every school throw the bank at an elite coach by now? The revenue of an elite program would way out-benefit the cost for the coach.
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1.) Because not every 'elite' coach delivers elite level results - so, it is not a sure thing and thus difficult to convince school Admins to take that kind of gamble.

2.) Because the financial rewards are not guaranteed even if you win - take the FL Marlins as an example in pro sports. Given the revenue sharing, etc - some schools are probably better off from a risk/reward standpoint to be mid-card players. Minnesota seems to fit that bill.

However, the big name schools with administrations and fans committed to winning will dump whatever needs to be spent to get the coach they want. TX will not choose a lesser coach to save a few bucks - Bama or Michigan or tOSU would not either.
 

csom_1991 said:
1.) I never say that I assign any credibility to moral victories - so, strike one for you

2.) I never once say that I believe in the transitive property of college football - however, I recognize that many people do (which includes AP writers). - so, strike two for you

So, if you want to keep posting things and assigning false positions to me - feel free. However, you only have 1 strike remaining so make it count.
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Here you go lapdog. It's a local weather cast for L.A. Much like the non-sequiturs you keep throwing out there to avoid admitting you're mainly here to troll.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/weather/?zipCode=90012

'Strike two" You're kind of funny when you get frustrated. Comes with your role though doesn't it?

Why don't you just go back to your "Craig Bowl is the Messiah!" posts. They had at least a modicum of originality.

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/member.php?3447-csom_1991

csom_1991:"I guess most people see a loss as a loss regardless of the moral victory we tend to assign to them. The scary thing is the 'transitive property of losses" given Iowa has beaten us."
 

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