Extend Claeys Now!

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GoldenRodents said:
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Gophers played close in losses to nationally ranked teams Penn State and Nebraska. Won all other games except Iowa, which has been very good at times. Last year Claeys' teams were heroic against highly ranked Iowa, Michigan and Ohio State. Eight wins is a big deal, with a winning record in the B10 assured for only the third time since 2000. If Gophers split the next two games, a modest extension is in order. Lots of young talent on this team, but QB is the key.
 

Is there any chance he continues without an extension? Seems like it'd be hard to recruit with a two-year deal.


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Hollinsanity said:
Is there any chance he continues without an extension? Seems like it'd be hard to recruit with a two-year deal.


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Are you implying he will walk without an extension?
 

hungan1 said:
This team has eight wins three of the last four season to date under the Kill/Claeys era 2010 to present. The best that they have done in a short time in the modern era. Glenn Mason in ten seasons had two 8-win & one 10-win season.

Yet, some people are calling for Claeys to be fired.

We have promising young talent on offense and defense for next season. They lost to PSU in OT 29-26, and to Iowa and Nebraska by a TD. These are games that could have gone the other way.

The kids bought into the Kill/Claeys system. They have graduated more kids in a long time, and improved the APR ranking albeit there have been some off field issues.

Be careful what you wish for.

Be ware of snake oil salesmen (Brewster, Teague).

Also, how do we know the replacement will pan out? Charlie Strong did not pan out in Texas. So did Brady Hoke at Michigan who apparently was on a lot of people's list to replace Brewster.

All in all, I think the Gophers did well with the talent that they have and have improved the football team & culture in so many intangible ways.

Cleays deserves an extension. He is not flashy or charismatic. I am not complaining as long as he continues to get Ws. The contract extension is critical for recruiting.

If the Gopher go out and beat Wisconsin next weekend, there will be no doubters.
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What hungan1 said. I also think the style of football that they are playing (pound the rock; solid defense) is a great fit for them.
 

Some guy said:
Are you implying he will walk without an extension?
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Not at all. I just think that without an extension you may be undermining his ability to recruit. How is supposed to walk into a living room and sell a recruit on the Gophers/his program when he has two years left on his deal?

If I'm reading his contract correctly next year's recruiting class (Class of 2018) would only have one year on campus with Claeys given his current contract.
 


Ewert86PC said:
Not when Brian Kelly will be available.

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And Rich Rod and Lane Kiffin and Todd Graham and Charlie Strong and Tony Dungy and Marc Trestman!!! Yea!!!
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Gophers played close in losses to nationally ranked teams Penn State and Nebraska. Won all other games except Iowa, which has been very good at times. Last year Claeys' teams were heroic against highly ranked Iowa, Michigan and Ohio State. Eight wins is a big deal, with a winning record in the B10 assured for only the third time since 2000. If Gophers split the next two games, a modest extension is in order. Lots of young talent on this team, but QB is the key.
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Tend to agree.

1. If Claeys is deemed a first year coach, tough to fire after 8-10 win season.

2. If deemed an extension of Kill, hard to fire after 8 wins in 3/4 seasons.

Unless Coyle already has "his guy", Claeys needs to be extended.


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Like other posters, I have concerns about Claeys being the face of the program. This has nothing to do with his coaching ability, but there's more to the job than just coaching. I would like to have someone who comes off better on TV and personal appearances. And, someone who can sell the program to recruits. Claeys seems like a decent guy, but appearance counts. If he does get an extension, I would like to see Coyle or someone high up in the administration make a strong suggestion that Claeys get into a weight-loss program and drop 50+ pounds - and also hook him up with someone - a PR coach - who can help him come off better in interviews. Also spruce up the wardrobe a little bit.

To reiterate what others have said, if Coyle is thinking about a coaching change after an 8-win season (which could still be 9 or 10 wins) he had better have an A+ 100% home-run hire locked up and ready to go. If Coyle lets Claeys go after this season, and we wind up with another search firm, search committee, parade of candidates cluster-bleep, that could honestly set the program back 5 years.
 




short ornery norwegian said:
Like other posters, I have concerns about Claeys being the face of the program. This has nothing to do with his coaching ability, but there's more to the job than just coaching. I would like to have someone who comes off better on TV and personal appearances. And, someone who can sell the program to recruits. Claeys seems like a decent guy, but appearance counts. If he does get an extension, I would like to see Coyle or someone high up in the administration make a strong suggestion that Claeys get into a weight-loss program and drop 50+ pounds - and also hook him up with someone - a PR coach - who can help him come off better in interviews. Also spruce up the wardrobe a little bit.

To reiterate what others have said, if Coyle is thinking about a coaching change after an 8-win season (which could still be 9 or 10 wins) he had better have an A+ 100% home-run hire locked up and ready to go. If Coyle lets Claeys go after this season, and we wind up with another search firm, search committee, parade of candidates cluster-bleep, that could honestly set the program back 5 years.
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SON, I don't feel as strongly as you regarding the need to have a "face/PR" coach. If you win, the program gains momentum. If you lose, not. But you have some valid points. Claeys is very young by head coaching standards, early 40s I believe, so the Claeys we see now could be quite different than the one we see in 10 years. If there is a model program in the Big 10 West, it's Wisconsin. Sorry. Part of my soul just died typing that. When I see Paul Chryst interviewed, his mannerisms don't seem to fit the PR/face coach profile. He actually feels quite Claeys-like in a lot of ways. (Personality wise, not saying track record.). Yet that program has significant, sustained momentum. Your take?
 

Well - for me, the only guy I would trade in TC for at this point is Bohl and after this season, I honestly don't know if he would come here. He just beat 9-1 SDSU and doing unprecedented things at Wyoming. If he wants a big pay day, I don't think he picks Minnesota and if he just wants to enjoy himself, I think he stays at Wyoming.

I expected 7 wins from TC this year so he exceeded my expectations. Yes, the conference schedule was weak (thanks Rutgers and Maryland!) so we can't really compare to prior seasons and get too excited - but I love 8 win seasons so it is hard to not keep him around with that. I would like to see the recruiting improve and I am excited to see the QB play next year. If our QB play is still horrible - the U may have to force his hand on that end as far as staff goes. But, I think TC is fully capable of giving us 6-9 wins a year for the foreseeable future and most of us will be happy with that.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Like other posters, I have concerns about Claeys being the face of the program. This has nothing to do with his coaching ability, but there's more to the job than just coaching. I would like to have someone who comes off better on TV and personal appearances. And, someone who can sell the program to recruits. Claeys seems like a decent guy, but appearance counts. If he does get an extension, I would like to see Coyle or someone high up in the administration make a strong suggestion that Claeys get into a weight-loss program and drop 50+ pounds - and also hook him up with someone - a PR coach - who can help him come off better in interviews. Also spruce up the wardrobe a little bit.

To reiterate what others have said, if Coyle is thinking about a coaching change after an 8-win season (which could still be 9 or 10 wins) he had better have an A+ 100% home-run hire locked up and ready to go. If Coyle lets Claeys go after this season, and we wind up with another search firm, search committee, parade of candidates cluster-bleep, that could honestly set the program back 5 years.
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You really need to drop this...
 





name one good win this year---sorry it is true, we pretty much struggled with every win, no extension , no firing, too soon to tell
 


GopherBulldog said:
SON, I don't feel as strongly as you regarding the need to have a "face/PR" coach. If you win, the program gains momentum. If you lose, not. But you have some valid points. Claeys is very young by head coaching standards, early 40s I believe, so the Claeys we see now could be quite different than the one we see in 10 years. If there is a model program in the Big 10 West, it's Wisconsin. Sorry. Part of my soul just died typing that. When I see Paul Chryst interviewed, his mannerisms don't seem to fit the PR/face coach profile. He actually feels quite Claeys-like in a lot of ways. (Personality wise, not saying track record.). Yet that program has significant, sustained momentum. Your take?
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Of course, you can have successful coaches with a variety of styles and approaches. I agree with you about Chryst. (I knew Chryst's father, who was a very successful D3 coach.)

I'm just saying that there are areas Claeys can improve on, and one of those areas is dealing with the media. Getting a few pointers from a PR or communications specialist wouldn't hurt, if it helps Claeys become a more effective communicator - with the media and hopefully a better salesman for the program with boosters and recruits.

And the appearance thing can be an issue. Like it or not, we have a very appearance-conscious society. A younger, more vigorous coach like Harbaugh comes off as more energetic. That may be seen as a plus by some boosters and recruits. A larger guy like Claeys - whether it's fair or not - may come off as less energetic. In a perfect world, it wouldn't matter. Claeys would be judged solely on his performance as a coach. But, it's not a perfect world, and people do judge other people based on appearance. In order to get better as a team, you try to improve areas where you need improvement. I just see this as an area where Claeys could benefit from a little improvement.
 

the.chucker said:
name one good win this year---sorry it is true, we pretty much struggled with every win, no extension , no firing, too soon to tell
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There is truth to that - Wyoming beating BSU and SDSU or Iowa beating Michigan are much more signature wins that anything we have mustered (which is why we have trouble getting respect in the rankings). Unfortunately, moral victories like playing Nebraska/PSU close only help in the polls if you are in the SEC. That said - you still need to look at the full body or work and 8 wins is impressive.

It is still too soon to tell which is why I would ride with TC unless you can bring in Bohl.

How 'Gopher' would this scenario be?:

Gophers fire TC and bring in Less Miles. He immediately gets back to back 9 win seasons basically playing the same as TC (good D, marginal O). However, after Harbaugh wins the National Championship at Michigan - he bolts for the NFL, Miles leaves the Gophers to coach Michigan (we all know he would). Leaving us with nothing but 2 years of memories - no staff continuity, etc.

Now, you can replace Miles with any other big name coach that has former ties to a top tier program. Without Minnesota ties - I see no reason why the stick around here long term. The other schools will provide as much/more money, as good or better chance of winning, and a personal connection. A big name coach will put us in the perpetual Glenn Mason trap of wondering when our coach will bolt.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Of course, you can have successful coaches with a variety of styles and approaches. I agree with you about Chryst. (I knew Chryst's father, who was a very successful D3 coach.)

I'm just saying that there are areas Claeys can improve on, and one of those areas is dealing with the media. Getting a few pointers from a PR or communications specialist wouldn't hurt, if it helps Claeys become a more effective communicator - with the media and hopefully a better salesman for the program with boosters and recruits.

And the appearance thing can be an issue. Like it or not, we have a very appearance-conscious society. A younger, more vigorous coach like Harbaugh comes off as more energetic. That may be seen as a plus by some boosters and recruits. A larger guy like Claeys - whether it's fair or not - may come off as less energetic. In a perfect world, it wouldn't matter. Claeys would be judged solely on his performance as a coach. But, it's not a perfect world, and people do judge other people based on appearance. In order to get better as a team, you try to improve areas where you need improvement. I just see this as an area where Claeys could benefit from a little improvement.
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Understand your position. Fair points. Let's hope he keeps winning and the profile/soft skills come along for the ride.
 

I think you can comment if you there Saturday against Northwestern.
 

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LOL
 


I doubt Coyle does anything this week and waits until after the Wisconsin game. The only possible advantage to extending his contract now is that the U gets a basement bargain price. IF we lose to the skunks, the U will get a steep discount on the basement bargain and Coyle looks smart for waiting. In the likely event we topple the skunks, people will be crazy happy and will support Coyle giving Claeys a nice and deservedly good contract extension. Pretty much a no brainer to wait if you are Coyle.
 

MNGoldenGophers1 said:
I doubt Coyle does anything this week and waits until after the Wisconsin game. The only possible advantage to extending his contract now is that the U gets a basement bargain price. IF we lose to the skunks, the U will get a steep discount on the basement bargain and Coyle looks smart for waiting. In the likely event we topple the skunks, people will be crazy happy and will support Coyle giving Claeys a nice and deservedly good contract extension. Pretty much a no brainer to wait if you are Coyle.
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im pleading with y'all please erase this kind of mindset from your thinking about gopher football - that doesnt make you look smart it makes you look cheap
 

csom_1991 said:
There is truth to that - Wyoming beating BSU and SDSU or Iowa beating Michigan are much more signature wins that anything we have mustered .
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And Iowa losing to NDSU and Wyoming losing to Eastern Michigan and giving up 69 points :)eek:) and losing to UNLV are both much, much worse than any of the Gopher losses. I mean as long as you brought them up. :cool:
 


Iceland12 said:
And Iowa losing to NDSU and Wyoming losing to Eastern Michigan and giving up 69 points :)eek:) and losing to UNLV are both much, much worse than any of the Gopher losses. I mean as long as you brought them up. :cool:
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Iowa losing to NDSU is humiliating - which is why Iowa is not ranked now. Take away that loss and Iowa is probably ranked in the 20's right now. Heck, they still get more votes in the AP than Minnesota even with it. I guess most people see a loss as a loss regardless of the moral victory we tend to assign to them. The scary thing is the 'transitive property of losses" given Iowa has beaten us.

As for Wyoming - they aren't a has been program, a rising star, or a perennial runner-up before this year - they are a never ran/never was program. They can't recruit vs. bigger name schools in their own conference - forget about P5 schools. So, when they knock off a 9-1 SDSU and beat Boise State for the first time in 11 tries and probably win their divisional title - that is a BIG, BIG season. TC came in expected to win 8-10 based on the strength of schedule (this from TC himself) - Wyoming was expected to lose 8-10, that is the difference.

So - who do you predict will get more FBS interest in hiring them as a head coach this offseason - Bohl or TC? Is any school threatening to steal him away at this point or are we bidding against ourselves?
 

westcoastgopher11 said:
im pleading with y'all please erase this kind of mindset from your thinking about gopher football - that doesnt make you look smart it makes you look cheap
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I'm not advocating going cheap. In fact, I thought Claeys should have received a five year contract from the get go and we wouldn't even be having this discussion but here we are. Without rehashing the whole situation with the original hiring of Claeys and whether you're willing to admit it, the reality of the situation as it stands is that by B1G standards we are currently paying a basement bottom price for our head coach. Hopefully in the future we pay going rates for top notch coaches.
 


csom_1991 said:
Iowa losing to NDSU is humiliating - which is why Iowa is not ranked now. Take away that loss and Iowa is probably ranked in the 20's right now. Heck, they still get more votes in the AP than Minnesota even with it. I guess most people see a loss as a loss regardless of the moral victory we tend to assign to them. The scary thing is the 'transitive property of losses" given Iowa has beaten us.

As for Wyoming - they aren't a has been program, a rising star, or a perennial runner-up before this year - they are a never ran/never was program. They can't recruit vs. bigger name schools in their own conference - forget about P5 schools. So, when they knock off a 9-1 SDSU and beat Boise State for the first time in 11 tries and probably win their divisional title - that is a BIG, BIG season. TC came in expected to win 8-10 based on the strength of schedule (this from TC himself) - Wyoming was expected to lose 8-10, that is the difference.

So - who do you predict will get more FBS interest in hiring them as a head coach this offseason - Bohl or TC? Is any school threatening to steal him away at this point or are we bidding against ourselves?
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You are right on Bohl being impressive at Wyoming. It is pretty amazing what he has done there in 3 years.


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