Everybody needs to take a deep breath...

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No one is more upset about losing on Saturday than Kill himself. The guy spent hours on campus greeting students and asking them to attend the game. Then Saturday came and they fell flat.

Watching the game, it was more execution than anything that cost them the game. Kill has said numerous times that about 17 plays are the difference and the team made errors that cost them on a bunch of plays. I still think the staff is trying to feel out what these players are capable of. They are playing two true freshmen QB's in essence. The OL has a lot of work to do.
 

A lot of really great posts in this thread. Saturday was an embarrassing moment for Kill and company, but in no way does it mean that he can't turn the program around. It's a hard thing to balance. Kill absolutely deserves his 4 or 5 years to bring in his own kids, make progress, then ultimately be in the mix for a B10 championship hopefully. I think 2 quarters of pretty good football against USC got a lot of people thinking that this isn't as big a rebuilding job as it really is. Then to see the team fall flat on their faces versus a really bad New Mexico State team was like a slap in the face.

Kill is a good coach. He has been doing this for a long time and has been successful at it. This is his opportunity at the big stage. Winning a B10 title is a very difficult thing to do for teams that aren't OSU and Michigan, and to a lesser extent Penn State and possibly Nebraska.

I think that both of the extreme sides, the "Saturday was an embarrassment and Kill will never win here" and "Alvarez and Ferentz did it in 4 years with a horrible year 1, so will Kill" sides need to relax a bit. Saturday's game didn't show that Kill doesn't have the ability to win a B10 title here, nor is it assured that he'll win a B10 title in year 4 like Alvarez or Ferentz. No one knows. Be happy that you have a fresh start with a coach who knows what he is doing, albeit unproven at this level. Enjoy the ride. I enjoy following the gophers because you really never know what will happen.
 

hendo59 said:
:) You're welcome, though from Art and a couple of others' comments, some may disagree with you! :D
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Well if nothing else, it was the most necessary thread. The voice of reason is an important role. Cuz you know, 8 quarters of Gray and Jerry Kill haven't gotten us to be a top 5 team yet, so it's definitely time to panic.
 

You can lay the NMSU loss at the feet of Brewster for not developing Gray as a Quarterback. There is no way a junior should be as raw as Gray is, but Brewsters short sightedness, left us in the situation of essensially having two rookie QBs.
 

Everybody needs to take a deep breath...

While I agree with your title of the OP, this will not happen on the "Immediate Gratification Generation".

What we need is a TEAM!!!.... That is Together Each Achieves More.

This video, displayed several times before on the GopherHole, sums it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM
 


The technique, leverage, and crispness of this team is severely lacking.
Those are all hallmarks of Kill's NIU team in the few games I saw them play.

Basically, we're sloppy, more talent does nothing when it has no idea how to play(see USC week 1). This will get better as the coaches drill the kids on the nuances of the game.

The playcalling would have looked better had it been executed better. Dropped balls, missed blocks, missed tackles, missed reads all were in high quantity on Sat. Cut it in half and we probably win that game by 3-10.

I think the real issue is we are a fatigued fanbase finally presented with a quality football coach. We CRAVED a blowout win before NMSU.
The only way this thing gets turned around is by a steady, SLOW, climb and alot of hard work from alot of key people.

If Kill can teach these kids proper techniques and give them the same schemes to learn for 2-3 years, retain, redshirt, and develop recruits until they are upperclassmen, we'll be an average Big ten team.

THEN we can hope there's a full stadium, a full student section, a fan following, an alumni donor base, and enough momentum to click off a few upsets, win a few bowls, retain a few top caliber in state recruits, build, develop more depth, become an above average Big Ten team.

FINALLY we can start to shoot and win a few top caliber recruiting battles, find a few gems that become face of program caliber players, exploit our depth and our quality technique, scheme/coaching stability to push us over the top and become a good Big Ten team.

It's a ways off folks, I'll be along for the ride, hopefully we can see a light at the end of a very long tunnel, even when things get bad this year and years to come.
 

Mick Turition said:
Haven't heard anybody actually calling for Kill to be fired but NMSU game was definitely a black eye for him, or maybe Strike One. Kill came in here with a reputation both for building programs AND for 'coaching up' players AND for winning games against more talented teams with less talented teams and winning games he was 'supposed' to win. In only his second game as coach of the Gophers Saturday his players played like crap and were beaten by a less talented team at home. If the same result would have come against USC, Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan, Northwestern, Illinois, MiamiOH, Iowa or Wisconsin it would not have raised any red flags. But the game against NMSU (and in the future NoDak) should have been easy wins for such an experienced coach with a track record like Kill's.
This was a debacle, plain and simple. Brewster sealed his fate by losing to USD, Kill will get a second and third chance, he just burned his first.
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Strike one?And I suppose the next two games are strike two and three.I hate to say it but I'm not sure there was much of a difference in the two teams talents.
 

When a Badger fan puts together one of the most sane responses on GHole in recent days, it isn't a good sign of how bi-polar this board is.
 

GoAUpher said:
When a Badger fan puts together one of the most sane responses on GHole in recent days, it isn't a good sign of how bi-polar this board is.
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:D I was thinking the same thing! Nicely done BadgerGuy...
 



We look at thread after thread on the Hole especially after a game like this and see discussions (and sometimes complaints) :p on topics about the PA, concessions, play calling, health, O-line, D-line, routes, hands, kicking game, students, the administration, coaches, posters, recruiting, tools, the dance line, band, talent, etc., etc., and all of this just makes me want to get my butt back in a seat next Saturday to be with this group of very passionate Gopher football fans.

I guess the only way for me to feel better is to go on another emotional roller coaster ride with the rest of you.

See you Saturday!
 

As Heddley Lamar quite appropriately said in the movie, Blazing Saddles, "Gentlemen, gentleman, rest your sphincters."
 

Dr.Don said:
Everybody needs to take a deep breath...

While I agree with your title of the OP, this will not happen on the "Immediate Gratification Generation".
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I hear ya doc, but I'm guess I'm one of those eternal optimists that believes that dialogue and an occasional voice of reason can sway some--though maybe only a few--minds. Naive, I know, but what the heck...someone has to be the fool! :)
 

I believe Kill is going to turn this program into a winner. However saying it's going to take time to beat teams like NMSU is a fricken joke! Ya it was a bad loss and we move on, I agree. But no one should be defending this loss or trying to explain it. My best guess is that it was a letdown after the huge hype and build up for USC. But coach Kill will be the first to tell you that he and his staff did a bad job of having these kids ready for this game and did a bad job of coaching on Saturday. There are no excuses to lose your home opener to this team. It's embarrassing and it's terrible, flat and simple. Expectations need to be higher. I don't care if it's the second game! Every Gopher fan should be pissed that we lost to this team and Kill should be pissed and embarrassed. These group of players with this coaching staff should have beat that team by 2 to 3 touchdowns! Kill and staff get an A for game one and an F for game two.
 



Some Day...Is Coming! said:
I believe Kill is going to turn this program into a winner. However saying it's going to take time to beat teams like NMSU is a fricken joke! Ya it was a bad loss and we move on, I agree. But no one should be defending this loss or trying to explain it. My best guess is that it was a letdown after the huge hype and build up for USC. But coach Kill will be the first to tell you that he and his staff did a bad job of having these kids ready for this game and did a bad job of coaching on Saturday. There are no excuses to lose your home opener to this team. It's embarrassing and it's terrible, flat and simple. Expectations need to be higher. I don't care if it's the second game! Every Gopher fan should be pissed that we lost to this team and Kill should be pissed and embarrassed. These group of players with this coaching staff should have beat that team by 2 to 3 touchdowns! Kill and staff get an A for game one and an F for game two.
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Mngoph79 said:
+++1 Most RATIONAL post of the year. Succinctly and well said. The instant gratification generation needs to grow up.
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Instant gratification is not a recent phenomenon. I have stated this during the post hire analysis of Kill: in WWII, if you were a platoon leader and couldn't perform, you were busted in rank. Commanders who did not move forward were replaced on the spot. They didn't wait for development for a reason, failure meant death. I think we have the luxury of sitting a guy on the bench without the emotional blow of losing a command. 3000 years of the history of warfare and all great armies did the same thing with leaders who failed to deliver, except most ended up with their heads on a pike. People who fail to remember need to grow up. Instant gratification works. Why pander to failure. 2 games in and nobody needs to celebrate potential. We need performance, not potential. Camp ended a couple of weeks ago. Perform or perish. The same goes for Kill and his staff. We are not a minor league club sending potential players up to the majors. We play who we have and if the walk on does better, so be it. The irrational on GH all talk about time being on our side. 2 games in and time is slipping by after spring and summer camp and 2 games into the season with zero victories. We can not afford another 1-11 season. Another 3-9 season is unacceptable. The reality is we could get swept away and be at 0- the season. Then what? Wait again? I thought we learned that lesson. Apparently not. We waited for no result last time. This is exactly why commanders had their heads on pikes for 3000 years. Problem with coaches of football, is they usually have no responsibility for victories at the high school level. We are talking national TV, national reputation, etc.

I wrote this team off after SDak last year. Very little has changed since then as far as performance. In fact, it has fallen backward. The first guy who writes that that is okay and part of change is an idiot. So will be the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and nth guy who writes that change requires some retrenching. Failing organizations fall backward on a program for change. Successful organizations move forward.

I'll check in with the board in 2 months...
 

Oneoldgopher said:
Instant gratification is not a recent phenomenon. I have stated this during the post hire analysis of Kill: in WWII, if you were a platoon leader and couldn't perform, you were busted in rank. Commanders who did not move forward were replaced on the spot. They didn't wait for development for a reason, failure meant death. I think we have the luxury of sitting a guy on the bench without the emotional blow of losing a command. 3000 years of the history of warfare and all great armies did the same thing with leaders who failed to deliver, except most ended up with their heads on a pike. People who fail to remember need to grow up. Instant gratification works. Why pander to failure. 2 games in and nobody needs to celebrate potential. We need performance, not potential. Camp ended a couple of weeks ago. Perform or perish. The same goes for Kill and his staff. We are not a minor league club sending potential players up to the majors. We play who we have and if the walk on does better, so be it. The irrational on GH all talk about time being on our side. 2 games in and time is slipping by after spring and summer camp and 2 games into the season with zero victories. We can not afford another 1-11 season. Another 3-9 season is unacceptable. The reality is we could get swept away and be at 0- the season. Then what? Wait again? I thought we learned that lesson. Apparently not. We waited for no result last time. This is exactly why commanders had their heads on pikes for 3000 years. Problem with coaches of football, is they usually have no responsibility for victories at the high school level. We are talking national TV, national reputation, etc.

I wrote this team off after SDak last year. Very little has changed since then as far as performance. In fact, it has fallen backward. The first guy who writes that that is okay and part of change is an idiot. So will be the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and nth guy who writes that change requires some retrenching. Failing organizations fall backward on a program for change. Successful organizations move forward.

I'll check in with the board in 2 months...
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I stopped reading after "in WWII."
 


Oneoldgopher said:
Instant gratification is not a recent phenomenon. I have stated this during the post hire analysis of Kill: in WWII, if you were a platoon leader and couldn't perform, you were busted in rank. Commanders who did not move forward were replaced on the spot. They didn't wait for development for a reason, failure meant death. I think we have the luxury of sitting a guy on the bench without the emotional blow of losing a command. 3000 years of the history of warfare and all great armies did the same thing with leaders who failed to deliver, except most ended up with their heads on a pike. People who fail to remember need to grow up. Instant gratification works. Why pander to failure. 2 games in and nobody needs to celebrate potential. We need performance, not potential. Camp ended a couple of weeks ago. Perform or perish. The same goes for Kill and his staff. We are not a minor league club sending potential players up to the majors. We play who we have and if the walk on does better, so be it. The irrational on GH all talk about time being on our side. 2 games in and time is slipping by after spring and summer camp and 2 games into the season with zero victories. We can not afford another 1-11 season. Another 3-9 season is unacceptable. The reality is we could get swept away and be at 0- the season. Then what? Wait again? I thought we learned that lesson. Apparently not. We waited for no result last time. This is exactly why commanders had their heads on pikes for 3000 years. Problem with coaches of football, is they usually have no responsibility for victories at the high school level. We are talking national TV, national reputation, etc.

I wrote this team off after SDak last year. Very little has changed since then as far as performance. In fact, it has fallen backward. The first guy who writes that that is okay and part of change is an idiot. So will be the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and nth guy who writes that change requires some retrenching. Failing organizations fall backward on a program for change. Successful organizations move forward.

I'll check in with the board in 2 months...
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Not saying the loss to NMSU wasn't pathetic, but comparing coaches to military leaders is completely idiotic and asinine. Basically what this says is that all coaches that lose a game should be fired because even one loss is still a failure. So the only way for any coach to keep their job is to go undefeated every single year.

If this is the type of analysis you are going to use, please, don't check back with the board for 2 months.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
Instant gratification is not a recent phenomenon. I have stated this during the post hire analysis of Kill: in WWII, if you were a platoon leader and couldn't perform, you were busted in rank. Commanders who did not move forward were replaced on the spot. They didn't wait for development for a reason, failure meant death. I think we have the luxury of sitting a guy on the bench without the emotional blow of losing a command. 3000 years of the history of warfare and all great armies did the same thing with leaders who failed to deliver, except most ended up with their heads on a pike. People who fail to remember need to grow up. Instant gratification works. Why pander to failure. 2 games in and nobody needs to celebrate potential. We need performance, not potential. Camp ended a couple of weeks ago. Perform or perish. The same goes for Kill and his staff. We are not a minor league club sending potential players up to the majors. We play who we have and if the walk on does better, so be it. The irrational on GH all talk about time being on our side. 2 games in and time is slipping by after spring and summer camp and 2 games into the season with zero victories. We can not afford another 1-11 season. Another 3-9 season is unacceptable. The reality is we could get swept away and be at 0- the season. Then what? Wait again? I thought we learned that lesson. Apparently not. We waited for no result last time. This is exactly why commanders had their heads on pikes for 3000 years. Problem with coaches of football, is they usually have no responsibility for victories at the high school level. We are talking national TV, national reputation, etc.

I wrote this team off after SDak last year. Very little has changed since then as far as performance. In fact, it has fallen backward. The first guy who writes that that is okay and part of change is an idiot. So will be the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and nth guy who writes that change requires some retrenching. Failing organizations fall backward on a program for change. Successful organizations move forward.

I'll check in with the board in 2 months...
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My nomination for most ridiculous post of the year. See you in two months...or not.
 

Mngoph79 said:
+++1 Most RATIONAL post of the year. Succinctly and well said. The instant gratification generation needs to grow up.
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The instant gratification generation on here is mostly people, from what I can tell, that are most definitely grown up. I'm not grown up, and I know this, but I in no way feel the need for instant gratification.
 

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