Epping passing on Badger's Camp...but likes Minnesota

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Agree Ole, I was talking more about this subject as a whole. A Wisconsin player who supposedly has crossed Wisconsin off his list doesn't mean anything to me since the KZ debacle.
 

Son of a Badger said:
Agree Ole, I was talking more about this subject as a whole. A Wisconsin player who supposedly has crossed Wisconsin off his list doesn't mean anything to me since the KZ debacle.
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Well put. But who is this KZ douche of whom you speak? For the life of me, I don't remember ever hearing the name...
 

dpodoll68 said:
Well put. But who is this KZ douche of whom you speak? For the life of me, I don't remember ever hearing the name...
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Konrad Zagzebski from WI. Committed to MN and most say he used our offer as leverage to go to WI.
 


Zagzebski obviously was playing the game, I'm going to assume most kids take their word more seriously and have more character than that. In the end we'll most likely end up with a handful or these WI guys, and plenty of them will commit to wisky to the dismay of us gopher rubes who assumed they were ours, but again losing any solid in state players to rivals hurts down the road, it just does, we all know that.
 



GVBadger said:
How have those 6 national championships helped out the program in the last 50 years?
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19-16 against Wisconsin over the next 35 years.

Then Barry blew-up and UW had a very good 14-year run while Minnesota really began to suffer from being forced into the Metrodome a decade earlier.

Barry is no longer coach, and his influence on the football program appears to be fading. Minnesota is one of college football's most tradition-rich programs and is no longer playing in the Viking's stadium.
 


The attention shown to Konrad vs Epping is night and day. Epping has gotten little attention from UW and seems somewhat pissed about it(which we all would be if we were him).

Another player with UM interest in Eggen, whom attended a UW camp this week but as of the time I am typing this has yet to receive an offer. Going off the way the UW staff is offering kids, it doesnt appear to be an all that impressive OL crop in the state of Wisconsin this year.
 



Jwill535 said:
The attention shown to Konrad vs Epping is night and day. Epping has gotten little attention from UW and seems somewhat pissed about it(which we all would be if we were him).

Another player with UM interest in Eggen, whom attended a UW camp this week but as of the time I am typing this has yet to receive an offer. Going off the way the UW staff is offering kids, it doesnt appear to be an all that impressive OL crop in the state of Wisconsin this year.
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man, it is like clock work! keep it coming boys because no one does it better than UW fans. ;)
 

GVBadger said:
I understand your hate for Wisconsin, given the Gophers 2-12 record vs the Badgers the last 14 years. However, to hate them because the coaching staff has camps and offers some players based on their performance at those camps is kind of funny.

Maybe if the Gophers coaches analyzed the players they offered scholarships a little better, the 2-12 record would be a little better.
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i have hated wisconsin before 2-12

badger and packer football have been a wasteland for most of my life

if thats all there was to it i would probably hate every team in the big 10 since we are probably about 2-12 against every single one of them
 

I thought Konrad was brilliant in the way he played buckethead from madison and forced the offer without attending their stupid camps...Konrad will be sticking it to buckethead for four more years...buckethead is Konrad's bitch!
 

Having lived in Madison for 6 years, I cannot underestimate the change in perception of the state of Wisconsin's FB program over the past 3 years. While they would never admit it on an opposing fan's message board as those fans that troll around here are usually the hardliners, they know the tide is changing. I've had many conversations with Badger fans that think BB is ruining the program, and rightfully so. Gopher fans should pray that he stays on as head coach as long as possible. On the plus side, he's Barry's pick (bypassing the normal hiring process) so he's got a longer leash than most coaches would. Barry's success is only surpassed by his ego and that will play in the length of BB's tenure. It's a slow death and the perfect time for the Gophs to reclaim their rightful place in the CF hierarchy.

As for Konrad...just remember what Badger fans said about him when he initally committed to the Gophs. Almost to a man (as close as one can get being a Badger fan), they railed against him as a player, discarding him because of an injury. Funny how things changed when he decided to stay in house. Hypocritical. Every fanbase has those type of fans but to the degree I witnessed...it's beyond explanation (think "cooled"). Gilreath would have been nice. Schafer as well. Mason missed and I can admit it. To imagine that some bastard of a person in the form of the Badger's head coach could lose a recruit to Minnesota...it must be that they suck...until they change their mind.
 



While I would be more than happy to welcome Epping aboard, I don't want to count on it this early. My bigger concern is keeping our in-state guys like Seantrel Henderson, Beau Allen, and Tobi Okuyemi.
 

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man, it is like clock work! keep it coming boys because no one does it better than UW fans. ;)
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Of all the people I am the least to come in and spin. I wasnt a fan of Konrad when he was committed to UM and still have those same doubts now that he is going to UW. As for Epping, there is no spin. He states it in his article that they dont contact him very much if at all and havent for awhile.
 

Let's clarify a couple of things.

It is really cool the Gophers have won 6 national championships. I will even come to the game in October and toast every one of them. Especially the one where you lost the Rose Bowl and won the National Championship. That is really cool. Unfortunately, the wheels kind of fell off the bus after that and the last 50 years have been a little less spectacular. I know how all of you so enjoyed those games though, especially the thriller in 1940 that cemented the title, so while we are toasting, we can reminisce about that season and how the tradition established by those fine teams has carried forward to today. Imagine if you didn't have those National Championships how bad the last 50 years would have been.

YOU CAN'T LOSE RECRUITS YOU DON'T OFFER SCHOLARSHIPS. I know this is a tough concept for some of you. But in order to go to a certain school, you need to have a scholarship offer. The UW coaching staff has offered 7 players from the State of Wisconsin. They have not lost any of them yet. For whatever reason, they have not offered Epping, Eggan, Parrish and Cunningham. If they get offered by Wisconsin down the road and choose to be Badgers, that would be wonderful. It does not seem likely at this point, but who knows. I hope they all get to go somewhere they want and have great college careers.

Just for DPol, Bielema did not start the process of offering kids if they come to camp. They only do it for kids that they feel they need to further evaluate. For Joe Thomas, Beckum, Clay, they offer the kid a scholarship early in the process if they feel they are clearly a Big 10 player. Alvarez started the practice. It worked out pretty well for him. They lost 1 or 2 kids they offered from Wisconsin in 15 years.
 

Goldteam said:
if thats all there was to it i would probably hate every team in the big 10 since we are probably about 2-12 against every single one of them
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That is very funny. Great line.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
Having lived in Madison for 6 years, I cannot underestimate the change in perception of the state of Wisconsin's FB program over the past 3 years. While they would never admit it on an opposing fan's message board as those fans that troll around here are usually the hardliners, they know the tide is changing. I've had many conversations with Badger fans that think BB is ruining the program, and rightfully so. Gopher fans should pray that he stays on as head coach as long as possible. On the plus side, he's Barry's pick (bypassing the normal hiring process) so he's got a longer leash than most coaches would. Barry's success is only surpassed by his ego and that will play in the length of BB's tenure. It's a slow death and the perfect time for the Gophs to reclaim their rightful place in the CF hierarchy.

As for Konrad...just remember what Badger fans said about him when he initally committed to the Gophs. Almost to a man (as close as one can get being a Badger fan), they railed against him as a player, discarding him because of an injury. Funny how things changed when he decided to stay in house. Hypocritical. Every fanbase has those type of fans but to the degree I witnessed...it's beyond explanation (think "cooled"). Gilreath would have been nice. Schafer as well. Mason missed and I can admit it. To imagine that some bastard of a person in the form of the Badger's head coach could lose a recruit to Minnesota...it must be that they suck...until they change their mind.
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I am not sure a rightful place exists that you haven't seen in 50 years. If Punky leads the Gophers to a Big 10 title, he will have accomplished something that has not been done since 1967. That would be amazing. Before he does that though, he might want to beat Bielema and the Badgers once. 0-2 and counting. Man that must hurt.

How can you live in Madison with all that hatred inside? Must be hard to walk around everyday.

It is going to be so disappointing to you when the Badgers have a nice year this year and a big year next year. Since you know so much about football, I am sure you are aware of all the nice talent the Badgers have been accumulating. The "decline" of the program is wishful thinking, but you have to hang your hat on something when you have not won a conference title in 41 years.
 

I stand corrected, GV; you really are that dumb.

Note how I never once said anything about losing players that have been offered scholarships. That is not the point. The entire point was TO WHOM THEY'RE OFFERING SCHOLARSHIPS. If they insist on players attending camp before they offer, they're going to miss out on some players that they will later wish they had. Period.
 

To clarify, by making them wait till camp it allows a team to evaluate that player more, in terms of in person, film etc. It also allows to measure up the field of player at a given position. Generally players that are told that they need to attend camp are the fringe(in terms of getting an offer).

Offering instate vs out of state kids have different meanings in the beginning of the process, this is somewhat generalized but you will get the point. You offer an out of state kid in order to get them more interested in your school and to visit. It is then up to the coaches to close. In states kids generally are already highly interested in the state school so you better be willing to except a commit when you offer. Now there are exceptions to both rules but recruiting generally breaks down like this.
 

GVBadger said:
It is going to be so disappointing to you when the Badgers have a nice year this year and a big year next year. Since you know so much about football, I am sure you are aware of all the nice talent the Badgers have been accumulating. The "decline" of the program is wishful thinking, but you have to hang your hat on something when you have not won a conference title in 41 years.
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Hahahaha, clearly this is a troll who can't look at WI football in the mirror and come to terms with reality. I apologize for giving him the benefit of the doubt in an earlier post.

Badgers on the up-and-up?:

2006: 12-1
2007: 9-4
2008: 7-6

Not sure if we are looking at the same things???? Have you ever taken statistics?? Ever looked at trending??

And the "nice talent" the Badgers have been accumulating??? You'll have to enlighten us more on this cause our Gophers have been much higher in the recruiting rankings the two years under Brew so I guess we weren't really paying attention. So this "big year" the Badgers are going to have in 2010, you have to sell your secrets to the sports writers cause you might be the only one with knowledge of this situation.
 

Wisconsin does lead the nation in cannibalism and zoonecrophilia.
 

Epping was being looked at by UW on the ol, they have no interest in him on the dl.
 

Full disclosure, I am a UW grad and Badger fan first, and a born and raised Minnesotan and Gopher Football season ticket holder second.

I think both sides are wasting their time on this thread because:

1) It is highly likely that Wisconsin will lose the Big Ten opener at TCF. They are playing a more experienced team, opening a brand new venue that will be (for the first time) hostile.

2) No matter the outcome of the Big Ten opener, UW is likely to finish with a better record than Minnesota this year because of schedule strength. Even if they finish with an equal record and a head to head loss, they will likely get the nod in bowl selection.

So I think all the full throated bragging by both sides is premature and misplaced. I must admit however that it is very entertaining!
 

badgergopher said:
Full disclosure, I am a UW grad and Badger fan first, and a born and raised Minnesotan and Gopher Football season ticket holder second.
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You can't be a Gopher and Badger fan at the same time. Sacrilege! You need to pick a side and stick with it.
 

badgergopher said:
Full disclosure, I am a UW grad and Badger fan first, and a born and raised Minnesotan and Gopher Football season ticket holder second.

I think both sides are wasting their time on this thread because:

1) It is highly likely that Wisconsin will lose the Big Ten opener at TCF. They are playing a more experienced team, opening a brand new venue that will be (for the first time) hostile.

2) No matter the outcome of the Big Ten opener, UW is likely to finish with a better record than Minnesota this year because of schedule strength. Even if they finish with an equal record and a head to head loss, they will likely get the nod in bowl selection.

So I think all the full throated bragging by both sides is premature and misplaced. I must admit however that it is very entertaining!
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Quit being reasonable.
 

Ug, badgergopher as much as your allegiences upset me, I agree that the chest thumping and degredation of each other's programs in this thread are off the point, My only thoughts are that if more and more players in WI see the home state program as hostile or disinterested in them and their talents, it eats away at the program, hypothetical: Epping gets a gopher offer and comes to MN, is waiting for a WI offer until the last minute, doesn't get one, is eventually ignored and passed off by the WI staff, then 2 years from now his cousin/Neighbor/Brother/Freind who has watched him play and thrive at MN, is a big time prospect and WI plays the same come to camp before an offer game, he's more likely to give them an FU than he would if Epping was either offered or at least contacted regularly, maybe offered a preferred walk on, you need relationships with your home state talent pools, ours in MN eroded under the last regime, we are just barely now getting it back.
 

badgergopher said:
Full disclosure, I am a UW grad and Badger fan first, and a born and raised Minnesotan and Gopher Football season ticket holder second.

I think both sides are wasting their time on this thread because:

1) It is highly likely that Wisconsin will lose the Big Ten opener at TCF. They are playing a more experienced team, opening a brand new venue that will be (for the first time) hostile.

2) No matter the outcome of the Big Ten opener, UW is likely to finish with a better record than Minnesota this year because of schedule strength. Even if they finish with an equal record and a head to head loss, they will likely get the nod in bowl selection.

So I think all the full throated bragging by both sides is premature and misplaced. I must admit however that it is very entertaining!
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I am also a born and raised Minnesotan that was smart enough to go to Madison, but I lost my Gopher allegiance when I arrived in Madison. What happened?

I wouldn't put the game in the win column yet for the Gophers. There is going to be tremendous pressure on the Gophers to win that game and the Badgers will be bringing in plenty of talent, no matter what anyone here wants to believe. I will agree it will be a great atmosphere because there definitely will be 8-10k dressed in red at the game. Maybe more.

The notion that the Badgers are declining because we had a bad year last year (by our standards) is comical. The ebbs and flows of our program are there for everyone to see. If you were to look at the last 15 years, the most logical guess would be a return to the 9-4 range followed by a run at a 12 win season. If everyone wants to believe the program is going in the tank just because they are wishing it to happen, that is fine.

My favorite though is Dpod, or whatever his name is, that is convinced that his way to evaluate and offer high school talent is better then a method that has been used with great success by a Big 10 coaching staff for 15 years. Unless he is a Division 1 college football coach, I think I will lean towards the Badgers method. If that makes me stupid, so be it.

I can understand why everyone wants Punky and the boys to beat the Badgers so badly this fall. After all, look at what the Badgers have accomplished since the last time the Gophers have won a Big 10 title.

I am hoping for a game similar to the blocked punt game to open Big 10 football at the S and L. I am not sure if Punky could stand it. He may resign right on the spot. Then again, that would not be such a good thing.
 

GVBadger said:
My favorite though is Dpod, or whatever his name is, that is convinced that his way to evaluate and offer high school talent is better then a method that has been used with great success by a Big 10 coaching staff for 15 years.
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???

If we are ascribing the work of our current coaches' mentors to the coaches themselves, then I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Tim Brewster for Mack Brown's national championship, Mike Shanahan's 2 Super Bowl victories, and Marty Schottenheimer's 205 career NFL victories.

With a résumé like that, it's amazing Brewster was even available for us to snap him up.:rolleyes:
 

GVBadger said:
It is going to be so disappointing to you when the Badgers have a nice year this year and a big year next year. Since you know so much about football, I am sure you are aware of all the nice talent the Badgers have been accumulating. The "decline" of the program is wishful thinking, but you have to hang your hat on something when you have not won a conference title in 41 years.
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What makes a nice year, GV? 8-4? 9-3? Anything short of 9 wins should be very disappointing to a Whisky fan, especially with that schedule. Hell, could you imagine Glen's grin with those teams on the docket? :D :clap:

If you look closely GV, the shine of the 1990s Wisconsin football success is starting to get a bit dull. Hold on tight to that decade and we'll kept spouting about our dusty titles.
 

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