Costa Rican Gopher
Mind of a Scientist
- Joined
- Nov 22, 2008
- Messages
- 28,569
- Reaction score
- 6,894
- Points
- 113
Coincidence. ;
Dre
- Thread starter zambam
- Start date
Coincidence. ;
notagopherfan
Member
- Joined
- Jun 23, 2010
- Messages
- 267
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 16
Good guards are essential but again they don't need to average 10 assists a game. Teague is not a great shooter or passer. I doubt he'll be very good at the next level unless he becomes really good at one of those 2. Nolan Smith and Scheyer are not point guards and because Duke didn't have a "big time point guard" these guys played the position but they aren't point guards in the NBA though Smith is trying to be. Chalmers and Lawson are point guards, very quick, great ball handlers and now how to run a team. If Dre and Austin can each average double figures next year you won't really care if they point guards or not, they are good guards and that's what you need.
savagerube
Active member
- Joined
- Sep 20, 2010
- Messages
- 359
- Reaction score
- 25
- Points
- 28
Almost a year later, I look back at this game and I have to agree that this was the "coming-out-party" for Andre Hollins. It's fun to look back at post after post about how players don't develop under Tubby. That statement now is near preposterous. Thanks to Rodney, Andre, Austin, Ingram, and Mav's play in this young season, Gopher fans should be feel a little more comfortable with the progression of the aforementioned players under Tubby's tutelage. If the Gopher's stay healthy, we're all in for a fun winter!
savage, I agree. However look at the big picture...vultures never have fun, they enjoy the carrion, and vest their happiness in that. If we lose a close game...look up. If we win a close game...look up. The vultures are like mosquitoes, they never go away.
savagerube
Active member
- Joined
- Sep 20, 2010
- Messages
- 359
- Reaction score
- 25
- Points
- 28
Haha very true.
brucekaupa
**** Commander
- Joined
- Jun 9, 2009
- Messages
- 2,069
- Reaction score
- 29
- Points
- 48
Jordan Taylor committed before Tubby was in place, right?
Yep, dead issue and he gone.
brucekaupa
**** Commander
- Joined
- Jun 9, 2009
- Messages
- 2,069
- Reaction score
- 29
- Points
- 48
The only Rivals 150 players since 2009 that did not play at MN:
- Trent Lockett (#80 in Rivals for 2009)
- Sam Dower (#116 in Rivals for 2009)
- Mike Bruesewitz (#118 in Rivals for 2009)
...but I'm guessing none of these were offered a scholarship due to Royce/Rodney/Trevor/Cobbs.
Dr. Don, every time I play golf I look up and the vultures are circling. Are they trying to tell me something?
That's correct.
Hollins is getting a little overhyped. Outside of the Memphis game, he hasn't been all that great.
Against Memphis: 41 points on 16 shots.
The other seven games: 69 points on 66 shots.
His biggest problem: he's struggling to make anything outside of a three-pointer or a free throw. Hollins is making just 41.7% of his 2PA, which will be last on the team once Ingram's and Eliason's 2P% inevitably rebound.
Against Memphis: 41 points on 16 shots.
The other seven games: 69 points on 66 shots.
His biggest problem: he's struggling to make anything outside of a three-pointer or a free throw. Hollins is making just 41.7% of his 2PA, which will be last on the team once Ingram's and Eliason's 2P% inevitably rebound.
bleedsmaroonandgold
Well-known member
- Joined
- Oct 5, 2011
- Messages
- 7,067
- Reaction score
- 2,328
- Points
- 113
His 2 point average is not good right now, but I question your analysis. Every player on the team's percentage would be the worst on the team if you assume that everyone under them will improve until their's is better.
As Lee Corso may say, Not so fast my friend.
It is not all about scoring why everyone is loving Dre Hollins, although the 41 point game got him the national pub.
From an SI article of Luke Winn's top 25 that Amelia Rayno posted, has the Gophers at number 13. This is the guy who named Andre Hollins his breakout player of the year.
Minnesota Golden Gophers (7-1)
Gophers sophomore point guard Andre Hollins is living up to my breakout pick, and although most of the attention on him has been for scoring -- particularly his 41-point explosion in a Nov. 23 win over Memphis -- his biggest progress has been in the assist department. After posting a 0.8 assist/turnover ratio as a freshman, he's gone well into the black this year, and his assist percentage (the amount of teammates' field goals he assists) has nearly doubled to a respectable 30 percent. Here's the breakdown:
Assists Per Game
2011: 1.8
2012: 4.1
Assist-to-Turnover Ratio
2011: 0.8
2012: 1.6
Assist %
2011: 18.5%
2012: 30.0%
Ingram and Eliason are big men (i.e. guys who play close to the rim and take high % shots) who each shot over 50% last year. It's almost a certainty that those guys will improve.
underground629
Well-known member
- Joined
- May 9, 2009
- Messages
- 3,459
- Reaction score
- 64
- Points
- 48
Ingram, Eliason, and Andre have all started with a low 2 point percentage. Taking into account that Andre is an excellent offensive player/shooter, is it also almost a certainty that Andre's 2 point percentage will also improve? Considering Ingram and Eliason aren't exactly offensive players, I'm not sure it makes sense to assume their percentages will end up being higher than Andre's, even though they play closer to the basket.
Also, why exactly do we care about 2 pt shooting percentage? Andre's a great 3 pt shooter and he's great at getting to the line and hitting there, which are both obviously very important. True shooting percentage is a much better indicator of how a player is doing. Is there a reason you're ignoring fts and 3-pointers?
Also, why exactly do we care about 2 pt shooting percentage? Andre's a great 3 pt shooter and he's great at getting to the line and hitting there, which are both obviously very important. True shooting percentage is a much better indicator of how a player is doing. Is there a reason you're ignoring fts and 3-pointers?
By his senior year, yeah. This year? I had expected him to, but now? *shrug*
Andre makes more than 50% of his 2PA, like Joe and Austin, he's a star. One of the top players in the Big Ten.
I know, and he's sitting at a modest 53.7%, which doesn't rank among the top 500 players in the country (who play at least 60% of their teams' minutes). Coleman and Austin, meanwhile, are at 56.7% and 57.2%.
Madman
Member
- Joined
- Jan 14, 2010
- Messages
- 259
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 16
You're cracked Plinnius... If you can't see what he adds to this team quantitatively as well as the intangibles like his leadership ability then no one will be able to convince you.
Yes, give golf up, you are dead meat.
I'm afraid this is one time I'll have to disregard the Doctor's advice.
When the only thing a commentor understands about the game of basketball is the scorebook, that commentor loses all credibility with me.
Suggestion to plinnius: when you watch a game, watch what is happening all over the floor, not just who shoots and scores or doesn't score. It is obvious to me that your position is only points scored. sooooooooooooooo much more, my friend.
Go on, tell me why Andre Hollins is megastud.
He does more things in the course of a game than you even have a clue about plinnius. It's called running the show as a point guard. But you don't understand what the job of anyone is except from the scorebook.
station19
Moderator
- Joined
- Nov 20, 2008
- Messages
- 22,605
- Reaction score
- 1
- Points
- 36
GophersInIowa
Well-known member
- Joined
- Nov 21, 2008
- Messages
- 42,992
- Reaction score
- 24,713
- Points
- 113
I think people are just excited about what kind of player he could end up being. We've seen examples of him totally dominating games. Hopefully he can be more consistent.
Doc
You're sounding more like Sid every day.
19, you do realize that all of those so called experts out there like to think that they are good at pretending that they know what they are talking about.