Doogie tid-bits: Mullen willing to come, Bellotti interested, Dungy pushing Trestman

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Obviously, we don't want to be in this situation in the first place, but I would really like to know which of these candidates would actually punch Bielema in his ogre mouth if he ran the score up on us.
 


Don't forget that Dungy is also pushing Shannon.
 


MSU can give 4 years max per state law.

The U can give a more tenure-like package. Thats a BIG deal.
 


FWIW, here's the pay breakdown in 2007, of what I can find easily:

Brewster: $805,930
Dunbar: $266,539
Withers: $241,154
Cross: $161,539
Meyer: $150,000
McDonald: $129,616
Lee: $121,539
Butler: $110,000
Hill: $110,000
Berezowitz: $110,000
Hammock: $89,616
Lewis: $89,616
Peoples: $45,863

Total: $2,431,412

I'm sure I'm missing some but that covers most assistants. $5mil a year would be a big change in culture, but the difference is essentially made up by raising the head coaches' salary by $1.7mil to $2.5mil, and paying the coordinators upper echelon pay ($500,000).
 


Doogie said:
Don't forget that Dungy is also pushing Shannon.
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I've long felt that Shannon may end up a 'compromise' candidate among the various factions involved. Do you see that at all?
 

DarrenTheGreek said:
Good gravy. I put more faith in what Doogie reports than Shooter and Justin Gaard but after all these contradictions in the media I just can't trust anything. If Bellotti was interested he should have been signed on Sunday morning.
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No, we should have signed him three or four weeks ago. His dance with Colorado occurred in mid-November. ;)
 



Keep in mind that the numbers being tossed around include new money available from the Big Ten Championship game. That's believed to bring in $20-25 million to conference coffers or close to $2M per school. That's a big boost to the coaching budget.
 


Couple of thoughts:
1. If Maturi is telling people he interviewed Jeff J., it would appear that he doesn't care if that information gets out.
2. Probably wrong on this, but I thought Doogie said Sumlin wasn't interested, now it appears that we weren't.
3. How is it that we know so little of what is going on, yet the details of Mullen's negotiating stance? Source? Attribution? (Not saying it's not true, kudos to Doogie if it is.) This will really piss off people if we don't get Mullen or someone better now.
 

Mullen saying it would take 5 years and $25MM sounds a lot like not being very interested but just throwing a high number out there to see if it sticks.
 




DarrenTheGreek said:
Mullen saying it would take 5 years and $25MM sounds a lot like not being very interested but just throwing a high number out there to see if it sticks.
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Not really. We are currently paying 1.5 to assistants and Maturi is on record at up to 2.5 for a coach, so its 'only' 1 mil off. Not peanuts, but certainly within a negotiable range.
 


Duluthguy said:
Couple of thoughts:
1. If Maturi is telling people he interviewed Jeff J., it would appear that he doesn't care if that information gets out.
2. Probably wrong on this, but I thought Doogie said Sumlin wasn't interested, now it appears that we weren't.
3. How is it that we know so little of what is going on, yet the details of Mullen's negotiating stance? Source? Attribution? (Not saying it's not true, kudos to Doogie if it is.) This will really piss off people if we don't get Mullen or someone better now.
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1) I think he cares... he only told a select few... but some knew, heck how did he get there?

2) Trying to nail down the Sumlin interest... I think it has gone both ways in the last four weeks.

3) I don't know what the "U" budget is definitively... Mullen could be floating that to better his situation in Starkville... but the source I talked to told me he is willing to leave the SEC for monster $$. Keep in mind, he's the 2nd-lowest paid coach in the conf.
 

It's called negotiating...

Gopher07 said:
That $5 million/year for Mullen and staff is steep ... if we gave him $2.5 million/year, his OC and DC $600,000/year (I think that would put us close to the top in the country) that means we're dividing the remaining $1.3 million among the other 7 coaches (or about $185,000/year, per coach). Does anyone know what we're paying the non-coordinator assistants now?
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First off, great job by Doogie. He's one of the few media players in this whole boondoggle who seems motivated by simply sharing information, rather than trying to just get the scoop or having a hidden agenda vis a vis a certain candidate.

The $5MM/yr Mullen is asking for is just a negotiating point. My guess is that the U would counter with something signficantly lower. And I'll bet that Mullen's figure goes down by about $1e6 the moment Gruden is announced as the 'Canes new coach. Also, that amount could also include non-salary revenue, such as:

  • bonuses for graduation rates, bowl appearances, etc
  • his appearance fee for a weekly coaches show
  • kickbacks from Nike
  • other promotional stuff
  • bonus if he's still here in 2015

My guess is that the U's commitment will wind up being way south of $5,000,000/yr, especially in the next year or two. Which is coincidentally the window when we're still paying for our previous coaching failures.
 

I'm sure Mullen and Bellotti want $5mm per year for themselves and staff...who wouldn't. I don't think the U can go that high or should...plus the buyout for Mullen.

If you look at the numbers...figure $2mm for the HC and $1.6mm for the Assistants and you get us near the top of the spending on coaches...add in our brand new facilities and a big portion of the sports budget for the trainers, travel, etc which the U has coming out of the general athletic budget and isn't line itemed for football and it is a significant package.

Can some schools do more? Yes, because they have stadiums that hold 90,000 plus and they have big contributors and fewer non-revenue sports to support...but I bet that our total package for football with these numbers puts us in the top 20 of the NCAA and gives us a chance to compete.

Just my opinion...and I haven't done the research on the top 20 guess...but I would bet I am right.
 

The buyout on Mullen is surprisingly low compared to many others.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
I'm sure Mullen and Bellotti want $5mm per year for themselves and staff...who wouldn't. I don't think the U can go that high or should...plus the buyout for Mullen.

If you look at the numbers...figure $2mm for the HC and $1.6mm for the Assistants and you get us near the top of the spending on coaches...add in our brand new facilities and a big portion of the sports budget for the trainers, travel, etc which the U has coming out of the general athletic budget and isn't line itemed for football and it is a significant package.

Can some schools do more? Yes, because they have stadiums that hold 90,000 plus and they have big contributors and fewer non-revenue sports to support...but I bet that our total package for football with these numbers puts us in the top 20 of the NCAA and gives us a chance to compete.

Just my opinion...and I haven't done the research on the top 20 guess...but I would bet I am right.
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Our athletic department revenues are top 25 in the nation .. our biggest moneymaker, which isn't nearly tapped to its potential, should be supported as a top 25 program.
 

Is the "Dungy pushing Trestman" thing just going back to that oft misinterpreted quote from the Dan Patrick show?
 

Gopher07 said:
That $5 million/year for Mullen and staff is steep ... if we gave him $2.5 million/year, his OC and DC $600,000/year (I think that would put us close to the top in the country) that means we're dividing the remaining $1.3 million among the other 7 coaches (or about $185,000/year, per coach). Does anyone know what we're paying the non-coordinator assistants now?
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Would it even make us top in the BT? Ferentz is essentially pulling $4M per year himself.
 

We wouldn't be near the top of the BT (Iowa is around $6mil, Ohio State is way up there, Michigan is way up there), it's just a big step up from where we are now. We ought to make the commitment, but that lies in Maturi's and Bruininks' hands.
 

Gopher07 said:
Our athletic department revenues are top 25 in the nation .. our biggest moneymaker, which isn't nearly tapped to its potential, should be supported as a top 25 program.
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True, largely because we have a moneymaker in hockey moreso than anyone else in the country. If football became a power, my guess is that our athletic dept would be pulling in close to top revenue in the country.
 

We'd still get killed by the biggest big dogs, Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, Alabama -- until we expanded TCF to 80,000. Then we'd be close to top. Football makes an otherworldly amount of money for the very top schools.

For example, even though we were #23 in total revenue last year, Ohio State (#3 overall) made ~$30 million more in revenue from football than we did ($32 mil versus $63 mil). Granted, their costs are higher, but we'd need to make up a lot of ground in football to really be at the top.

That said, the only way we expand TCF to 80,000 is by winning, a lot. The only way we win, a lot, is by making the right hire for the man who will run our program. The best way to ensure we get the right hire for the man who will run our program is to offer competitive compensation.
 

Tom Pelisaro on KSTP just blasted Jagodinski (or whatever his name is). TP is a BC alum and explained the situation about how and why Jag got fired at BC, which most of us are aware of (was told directly by the AD - "if you interview for the Jets job, you will be fired", did anyway, got caught, and then played dumb as to why he was fired). TP said Jag hates both recruiting and travel (which is why he wanted to get back to the NFL) and that if you talk to the BC Administration, there is not a single person there that would recommend him for this job. TP said Jag left the BC program in a complete shambles, in large part because of his unwillingness to recruit.

All-in-all, TP said he cannot believe Maturi would even talk to this guy over the phone, much less go to Omaha to interview the guy, as Doogie is reporting.
 

Mullen

There is also talk that Pittsburgh may replace Dave Wannstedt after Saturday's game. I believe that Mullen's wife is from that area. Could this be a hangup on his hire along with the Miami job?

That 5 million figure does sound like a message to Mississippi St. that a pay increase for all staff if he receives an extension.I really like his future and it sounds like other schools do too.

Doogie --- Thanks for sharing what you know! Most of us really enjoy your postings.
 

My motto is "anyone but Trestman." You're a great man, Tony, but keep Trestman away from the U's football job.
 

Too Long in the Wasteland said:
First off, great job by Doogie. He's one of the few media players in this whole boondoggle who seems motivated by simply sharing information, rather than trying to just get the scoop or having a hidden agenda vis a vis a certain candidate.
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Huh? Find it hard to believe that Doogie doesn't salivate at the thought of being the first one to get the right name. That's what real journalists do. And in this day and age, it's also about clicks on sites and ratings which is where Red Smith starts turning over in his grave.

I can't even keep track anymore, but didn't he have a friend in a wedding who would be really surprised if Mullen came here about two days ago? Also, is Tubby still at Minnesota?

He has more sources without a doubt. Do they know anything or are they also relying on guesses and rumors? If they do know something, what exactly is their reason to tell Doogie anything.

Just because this is becoming my crack habit doesn't mean I'm going to praise one of the pushers.
 

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