Doogie: I keep hearing how good Perra looks in practice

I am always amazed and disappointed when people say that practice passing is not predictive of game day passing. Here is why. Practice passing IS correlated well to good game passing management. If you do better than your peers in practice, then it is fair to say those with less practice passing management do not have some extra game chromosome or ability that lets them pass by the better practice QB. I would bet that what happens is coaches have preferred players and give them more attention and advice, and grant them status in front of the quarterback's peers. The anointment process then takes precedence over ability. It works well for the anointed player because of the extra coaching attention and player acclimation. And, when the better practice QB goes into the game, they have not practiced the routines with the 1st team players and have less rapport with them. The 1st team trusts the anointment process and views the backup as less than capable even though they have seen the ability. This produces a secondary affect which I will label as disassociation. The 1st team becomes conflicted in how to respond to the new player. They need to quickly come to terms with the disassociation and realize by association the capabilities of the best practice qb.

Coaches, even very good coaches assign irrational values to players way too often. Often, it is cloaked in terms like "chemistry", that affable ability to execute a play. Well, if a player demonstrates execution in practice and it is highly correlated to success in games, then what goes wrong with chemistry when these guys suffer on the field? The difference is in the assigned pecking order and the faith by the players in allowing that player to succeed. Will blocking be just as crisp. Will routes be run just as precisely. Will there be that intimate coordination between the passer and the receiver?

If Perra is a better pure passer, then give the kid a chance. At the very least, play selection will change how the defense calls their game limits their ability predict the next play.

I don't know if Perra is better or not. I just think it stinks when idiots project the idea that performance won't equate to performance, because that is about the lowest form of crass judgment that can be encountered. In the sports world, that crass judgment is so socially ingrained it is a culturally accepted norm.

If Perra or anybody else has the total package of being a better practice QB, he needs to be in the game without question.

The point being missed here is that he may throw the best ball but there is way more to the QB position then that. Can he read the defense and make the right decisions? Coaches are looking at way more then who throws the best ball. Not to mention the fact that the QB run is a big part of the offense so if he is not a good runner that is going to hold him back as well. Fans just see the surface stuff in practice but there is so much going on in the huddle and film room.....if the coaching staff truly believed Perra or one of the other QB's could win games for us this year they would be starting.
 

The point being missed here is that he may throw the best ball but there is way more to the QB position then that. Can he read the defense and make the right decisions? Coaches are looking at way more then who throws the best ball. Not to mention the fact that the QB run is a big part of the offense so if he is not a good runner that is going to hold him back as well. Fans just see the surface stuff in practice but there is so much going on in the huddle and film room.....if the coaching staff truly believed Perra or one of the other QB's could win games for us this year they would be starting.

Go back. Reread the above statement of mine and get back to me when you come close to knowing who said what.
 

If Perra is the better pure passer and worse in everything else, he should not play a down. Which is going to be true for 2014. If he's not on the travel squad, I'm guessing he's not getting in the game.
 

If Perra is the better pure passer and worse in everything else, he should not play a down. Which is going to be true for 2014. If he's not on the travel squad, I'm guessing he's not getting in the game.

Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where the travel squad information is available?
 

There's no chance Kill would keep Perra on the bench if he truly is the QB that gives us the best chance to win this season, end of story.
 



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GopherHolers truly believe that Perra, whom they have never seen take a snap, is better than the guys running the show right now. Makes sense to me, Killjoy. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

GopherHolers truly believe that Perra, whom they have never seen take a snap, is better than the guys running the show right now. Makes sense to me, Killjoy. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

I know you like building a straw man but the vast majority in this thread do not believe that, Dboy and beatbucky being the notable exception.
 

I think it's great that we have a freshman walk on kid who can really throw the ball. I have heard first hand that on a daily basis he's the best thrower of the bunch. Again, good for us and hopefully for the future he'll be a difference maker. That said, I'd be OK with never, ever seeing a true freshman QB take a snap for the Gophers again. It's typically hard on us to watch, and it seems like it's hard on them long-term. Even the best of the best typically get a year to sit and watch annd learn and Perra, while all accounts say he's got some nice potential, isn't the best of the best.
 



I think it's great that we have a freshman walk on kid who can really throw the ball. I have heard first hand that on a daily basis he's the best thrower of the bunch. Again, good for us and hopefully for the future he'll be a difference maker. That said, I'd be OK with never, ever seeing a true freshman QB take a snap for the Gophers again. It's typically hard on us to watch, and it seems like it's hard on them long-term. Even the best of the best typically get a year to sit and watch annd learn and Perra, while all accounts say he's got some nice potential, isn't the best of the best.

Haven't been so impressed by Redshirt Freshmen or True Sophomore QB's either, the last few years. Granted, we have no choice but to play young kids because there is nobody else.
 

I know you like building a straw man but the vast majority in this thread do not believe that, Dboy and beatbucky being the notable exception.

Do you follow the game threads? There are a hell of alot more than dirtballboy and beatmymeatbucky.

In the TCU game thread, there were over 700 comments about who sucked and how much...a loss by the way.

In the SJSU game thread, a win by the way, there were over 250 comments about not opening up the playbook, and who sucked and how much.

Same old, same old. It gets old.
 

Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where the travel squad information is available?

Since you won't believe me anyway, I just know this. Rip away, per usual.

To give you a little perspective: The B1G football travel squad is only 70 players. No exceptions. Kill has not once taken 4 qbs on a conference roadtrip. If Leidner is dressing, Perra isn't traveling.
 

Say what you want about Kill's recruiting, but it's pretty impressive that he got the next Dan Marino to walk on.
 



Perra as a better GB because he throws a better spiral more accurately is a myth with a Kill/Limegrover offense. This offense is built around the QB/Tailback option in which the QB puts the ball into the TB's belly, reads the defense and either gives the ball to the TB or pulls it out and runs it himself. Perra does not have the size or running skill to allow him to run this play and K/L do not have the flexibility to make this major a change to the offense in mid season. Like it or not, and I don't, we are almost certainly stuck with the offense we have put into play.

We can certainly throw more, but abandon the QB option isn't an option and eliminates Perra as a likely QB alternative.
 








OMG, you beat me to it. Long live Ajax Liquor Store. :cool02:

Gotta be quick to keep up with me doc. I just walked a 100 yd dash with only 4 rest stops.

BTW I see you've been banging your head a lot lately. I just picked up some more percocet if you need some.:cool02:

Who's the poster that got pissed at me for using this emoticon?
 

Do you follow the game threads? There are a hell of alot more than dirtballboy and beatmymeatbucky.

In the TCU game thread, there were over 700 comments about who sucked and how much...a loss by the way.

In the SJSU game thread, a win by the way, there were over 250 comments about not opening up the playbook, and who sucked and how much.

Same old, same old. It gets old.

Usually no. If it is on BTN or ABC I tend to pvr it and watch it later. If it is on ESPN, I don't get it and curse the CRTC (look it up if you care). I stopped looking at the in-game thread long ago, it is idiotic beyond belief, even for Gopherhole.

PS Especially idiotic when the Gophers are at home and half the idiots could attend.
 

Gotta be quick to keep up with me doc. I just walked a 100 yd dash with only 4 rest stops.

BTW I see you've been banging your head a lot lately. I just picked up some more percocet if you need some.:cool02:

Who's the poster that got pissed at me for using this emoticon?

I would blame it on Parski, but he gone. So what now?

I bang my head because it feels so good when I quit.
 

Perra as a better GB because he throws a better spiral more accurately is a myth with a Kill/Limegrover offense. This offense is built around the QB/Tailback option in which the QB puts the ball into the TB's belly, reads the defense and either gives the ball to the TB or pulls it out and runs it himself. Perra does not have the size or running skill to allow him to run this play and K/L do not have the flexibility to make this major a change to the offense in mid season. Like it or not, and I don't, we are almost certainly stuck with the offense we have put into play.

We can certainly throw more, but abandon the QB option isn't an option and eliminates Perra as a likely QB alternative.

I wouldn't say the offense is "built around" read option rather it is just part of it and in certain games we may use it more than others. We won't use it in any game more than we did last week and same can be said about last years SJSU game. IIRC and this is just one instance the only time we ever read the ready option during the IU game was when Phil came out and we had to put Mitch in for a few plays. But when Phil was in we did not run very much at all. "Built around" or "abandoning it isn't an option" and K/L not having the "flexibility" or being too stubborn to get away from this just seems like a stretch. If anything I might even say that how frequently we ran the option as much as we did last week demonstrates that the coaches do have flexibility to play to a certain kid's strength.
 




Are we seriously almost 100 posts into a SECOND thread about a walk-on, Freshman QB? Man, it's a sad state of affairs under center in Gopher Nation. Oh no! I just contributed to said thread...shame on me!
 





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