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Could you explain to me how the media in this state is ignoring what is going on with Tubby Smith's basketball program?

Brewster is ripped by the media daily about losing guys and his team not playing well.

Tubby on the other hand has players not playing left and right. His team is below .500 yet again.

In fact in 3 years:

Brewster has never finished above .500 in the big 10 and neither has tubby. I doubt Tubby will get there this year. Brewster has gone to two bowl games, while Tubby has been one and done in the tournament one time and has the NIT staring him straight in the eyeballs this year.

They look the same to me. It's harder to win in football at Minnesota than it is in basketball, yet Tubby is God and Brewster sucks.

How does this work Doogie? I'd be curious to hear your answer. So far I can't for the life of me see the difference between the two coaches.
 

I'll take this one.

1. Tubby has a longer leash because of his resume, Brewster does not.
2. Every town, org likes a whipping boy, ours should be the T'Wolves but the Gopher Football team got tabbed.
3. The media in this town are ass clowns. Doogie included until he actually buys me that beer. Then he might be a pure genius.
 

Goldteam said:
Could you explain to me how the media in this state is ignoring what is going on with Tubby Smith's basketball program?

Brewster is ripped by the media daily about losing guys and his team not playing well.

Tubby on the other hand has players not playing left and right. His team is below .500 yet again.

In fact in 3 years:

Brewster has never finished above .500 in the big 10 and neither has tubby. I doubt Tubby will get there this year. Brewster has gone to two bowl games, while Tubby has been one and done in the tournament one time and has the NIT staring him straight in the eyeballs this year.

They look the same to me. It's harder to win in football at Minnesota than it is in basketball, yet Tubby is God and Brewster sucks.

How does this work Doogie? I'd be curious to hear your answer. So far I can't for the life of me see the difference between the two coaches.
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How many message boards are you going to post this on? Stick to RubeChat with this take.
 

So in a nutshell:

Tubby, THE GREAT COACH, needs more leeway and time to put it together.

Brewster, the poor coach, has had enough time.

WHAT A CLOWN ASS MEDIA WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN.

The reusses, barrerios, doogie's are afraid of tubby I guess. I will hold my breath waiting for one of them to come out.
 

Ski U Master said:
How many message boards are you going to post this on? Stick to RubeChat with this take.
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gopherhole

rivals

KFan

and scout

I can't find anyone who can answer it yet.....I am trying to strike gold. They seem a little annoyed by it on KFAN.

Maybe you could answer it?

just for the record......they are siding with me on rivals all day
 


This is why:
1. Tubby has a history of winning on a high level and therefore will get a longer leash, he is not immune from criticism but he will get the benefit of the doubt more often than Brewster.
2. Tubby is not a PR liability like Brewster has been at times and is good with the media.
3. Tubby is respected nationally as a coach.
4. Tubby has beaten Wisconsin/Iowa/Michigan and at least some of his marquee national matchups, Brewster does not. If you think beating your rivals isn't a big deal you are fooling yourself.
5. Tubby made the NCAA tournament which is bigger accomplishment in terms of national recognition than the stupid Insight Bowl.
6. The outside observer sees Tubby taking a 9 win program to a 20 win program. The same observer sees Brewster take a 6 win team to a 1 win team to a 6 win team. Perception is everything and the perception is that basketball is clearly improving and football is barely back to where it was.
 

I think you are on to something, but Tubby was quiet and laid back, Brew boastful and aggressive. Tubby inherited a worse program and has had some good recruiting successes, but his on/off win/loss record may catch up to him - maybe this year: beating a really good team one week, then losing to a so-so team a week later. Also, and I hate to say it, Tubby is a minority so knocking him might seem unseeminly in politically correct Minnesota. If Brew's offense hadn't been so terrible this year, he'd be doing better in the media andwith public opinion. Hopefully, the new OC will be a take charge guy who gets the offense moving.
 

Goldteam said:
gopherhole

rivals

KFan

and scout

I can't find anyone who can answer it yet.....I am trying to strike gold. They seem a little annoyed by it on KFAN.

Maybe you could answer it?

just for the record......they are siding with me on rivals all day
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They why don't you go back and STAY THERE.....please do us all a favor......
 

Ski U Master said:
This is why:
1. Tubby has a history of winning on a high level and therefore will get a longer leash, he is not immune from criticism but he will get the benefit of the doubt more often than Brewster.
2. Tubby is not a PR liability like Brewster has been at times and is good with the media.
3. Tubby is respected nationally as a coach.
4. Tubby has beaten Wisconsin/Iowa/Michigan and at least some of his marquee national matchups, Brewster does not. If you think beating your rivals isn't a big deal you are fooling yourself.
5. Tubby made the NCAA tournament which is bigger accomplishment in terms of national recognition than the stupid Insight Bowl.
6. The outside observer sees Tubby taking a 9 win program to a 20 win program. The same observer sees Brewster take a 6 win team to a 1 win team to a 6 win team. Perception is everything and the perception is that basketball is clearly improving and football is barely back to where it was.
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the perception is wrong and the past at other places has no bearing on minnesota

it's a joke in this town
 



Ski U Master said:
This is why:
1. Tubby has a history of winning on a high level and therefore will get a longer leash, he is not immune from criticism but he will get the benefit of the doubt more often than Brewster.
2. Tubby is not a PR liability like Brewster has been at times and is good with the media.
3. Tubby is respected nationally as a coach.
4. Tubby has beaten Wisconsin/Iowa/Michigan and at least some of his marquee national matchups, Brewster does not. If you think beating your rivals isn't a big deal you are fooling yourself.
5. Tubby made the NCAA tournament which is bigger accomplishment in terms of national recognition than the stupid Insight Bowl.
6. The outside observer sees Tubby taking a 9 win program to a 20 win program. The same observer sees Brewster take a 6 win team to a 1 win team to a 6 win team. Perception is everything and the perception is that basketball is clearly improving and football is barely back to where it was.
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7. Tubby has never once verbalized his plan to 'recruit dynamic playmakers who will help take GopherNation to Pasadena.':D
Nor does Tubby over-use the term T-R-E-M-E-N-D-O-U-S...:rolleyes:
 


Goldteam said:
the perception is wrong and the past at other places has no bearing on minnesota

it's a joke in this town
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Why do you get so upset about this? It's just sports, step back and relax. There are more important things in life than how the media treats your BFF Tim Brewster.
 

There are plenty of reasons why Tubby gets a longer leash. For someone who can't see them, all I can suggest is to look a little harder.
 



Tubby's a good coach and the U is lucky to have him. Anyone that calls him a great coach needs to have their head examined. It's sad, but the hoops program doesn't appear to be in much better shape than football right now.
 

Ski U Master said:
This is why:

5. Tubby made the NCAA tournament which is bigger accomplishment in terms of national recognition than the stupid Insight Bowl.
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I don't know about that. Going one and done in the 64 team NCAA tourney is almost exactly the same level of accomplishment as being a Major Conference team at a lesser Bowl Game. There are almost exactly the same amount of Bowl teams and tourney teams.
 

Making the NCAA tournament is a much bigger accomplishment then beating 5 division one teams out of 11 games. There are only 30 some at large bids for teams after all of the conference champions.

"Anyone that calls him a great coach needs to have their head examined" -going to the sweet 16 with 3 different teams and a national championship, 3rd longest streak of 20+ win seasons in NCAA History. Your right.
 

Who Gets Ripped!

1. Mason got ripped for saying nothing, playing no one and accomplishing nothing.
2. Brewster gets ripped for saying alot but not accomplishing anything yet.
3. Denny Green got ripped for saying WAY too much and Almost accomplishing something.
4. Flip Saunders escaped alot of ripping though accomplishing little because he was a U grad and McHale took the ripping for him.
5. Tom Kelly escaped ripping by accomplishing something twice.
6. Gardenhire escapes ripping for accomplishing a little bit and letting the "cheap" organization take the ripping.

AND

7. Tubby Smith has escaped the ripping because of what he accomplished BEFORE he came here and the positive comments coming from the National media even though he hasn't accomplished too much yet his little bit of accomplishment looks bigger when compared to Dan Monson's lack of accomplishment.
 

Gopher00 said:
Making the NCAA tournament is a much bigger accomplishment then beating 5 division one teams out of 11 games. There are only 30 some at large bids for teams after all of the conference champions.

"Anyone that calls him a great coach needs to have their head examined" -going to the sweet 16 with 3 different teams and a national championship, 3rd longest streak of 20+ win seasons in NCAA History. Your right.
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Q: How many Big Ten teams made the NCAA tournament in 2008-09?
A: 7

Q: How many Big Ten teams made bowls in 2008?
A: 7

Q: What place did we finish within the conference for each sport?
A: 7th

They sound pretty comparable to me.
 

Gopher00 said:
Making the NCAA tournament is a much bigger accomplishment then beating 5 division one teams out of 11 games. There are only 30 some at large bids for teams after all of the conference champions.

"Anyone that calls him a great coach needs to have their head examined" -going to the sweet 16 with 3 different teams and a national championship, 3rd longest streak of 20+ win seasons in NCAA History. Your right.
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He's a good coach. He's not great. Winning 1 national title doesn't make you great. Is Jim Harrick a great coach?
 

Goldteam said:
gopherhole

rivals

KFan

and scout

I can't find anyone who can answer it yet.....I am trying to strike gold. They seem a little annoyed by it on KFAN.

Maybe you could answer it?

just for the record......they are siding with me on rivals all day
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If you're waiting for a response from Doogie, you'll need to be patient. He flew down to New Orleans this morning, as he will be covering the Vikings for CBS.
 

Tubby also competes in the games he has lost, Brewster hasn't. You actually see progress with the basketball team. Not to mention he lost his two best players this year and he will still get this team to the tourney.
 

GopherNation said:
Tubby also competes in the games he has lost, Brewster hasn't. You actually see progress with the basketball team. Not to mention he lost his two best players this year and he will still get this team to the tourney.
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Brewster's teams haven't competed? What about when his 1 win teams took both Iowa and Wisconsin and played them tough to the bitter end in the 4th Q. We've played Becky tough each year Brewster's been here. Yes, you have the 55-0 and the 29-6 from '08. But far more often than not, this team will compete. Like against Cal. Even @ PSU when they lost 20-0, they competed despite all the struggles offensively. That's one thing I won't complain about with Brewster is his team's competing on the field.

Also, I love the basketball team, but how have they shown any more progress than the football team? I think they will make a bit of a run going forward this season, but so far, you can't deny that they've suffered a step back this season. Each of Brewster's teams has gotten better, from 1 win, to 7 wins, to 6-7 with actual quality wins in there.

The reason Tubby gets a "pass" is his resume, he's a great guy and extremely well respected by almost everyone, and he does at least have some marquee wins under his belt (IU in the BT Tourney his first year, Louisville last year, @ Wisconsin). Brewster simply doesn't have many big wins. He'll need to change that next year if he wants to garner any more support from the fan base.
 

GopherNation said:
Tubby also competes in the games he has lost, Brewster hasn't. You actually see progress with the basketball team. Not to mention he lost his two best players this year and he will still get this team to the tourney.
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I missed where we were competitive against Purdue in the last two years and we certainly weren't competitve @ Michigan State last year (weren't we down 16 by the first tv timeout).

If you are calling Mbakwe one of our top 2 players I think you're stretching. But lets be honest, when you recruit players with baggage (both Trevor & Royce) it sometimes catches up to you and it doesn't really fly as an excuse. I'm sure Brewster would have liked to have had Decker (unquestionably his best player and one that had actually proved it on the field) for the whole season too.
 

AhliBobwa said:
I don't know about that. Going one and done in the 64 team NCAA tourney is almost exactly the same level of accomplishment as being a Major Conference team at a lesser Bowl Game. There are almost exactly the same amount of Bowl teams and tourney teams.
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There are similar numbers of teams that make the bowl season and March Madness, but there are far more teams in D-1 Basketball. Only 18% of Div I basketball teams make the NCAA Tournament, 54% of FBS teams make a bowl game. The Insight Bowl is much closer to the NIT or worse than the NCAA Tournament.

Simply making a bowl game is nothing to hang your hat on anymore.
 

GopherNation said:
Tubby also competes in the games he has lost, Brewster hasn't. You actually see progress with the basketball team. Not to mention he lost his two best players this year and he will still get this team to the tourney.
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What progress? This team has everyone back from last year and has regressed. Parrish had them in his Top 25 to start the season. Right now, they're a disappointment.
 

Ski U Master said:
There are similar numbers of teams that make the bowl season and March Madness, but there are far more teams in D-1 Basketball. Only 18% of Div I basketball teams make the NCAA Tournament, 54% of FBS teams make a bowl game. The Insight Bowl is much closer to the NIT or worse than the NCAA Tournament.

Simply making a bowl game is nothing to hang your hat on anymore.
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We talk about how there's all these teams in basketball, but really, it's not like you're adding more BCS teams, it's just more "lightweights", if you will. You still only have so many "BCS" level schools in basketball that are really a factor. I mean, if you just added all the FCS football teams to D1 football, it would add to the number of teams, but wouldn't really add much in the way of quality. That's not even to say I disagree with the notion that getting to the NCAAs is a better accomplishment than getting to a bowl game, but I don't think the number of teams really is a reason why.
 

Goldteam said:
Could you explain to me how the media in this state is ignoring what is going on with Tubby Smith's basketball program?

Brewster is ripped by the media daily about losing guys and his team not playing well.

Tubby on the other hand has players not playing left and right. His team is below .500 yet again.

In fact in 3 years:

Brewster has never finished above .500 in the big 10 and neither has tubby. I doubt Tubby will get there this year. Brewster has gone to two bowl games, while Tubby has been one and done in the tournament one time and has the NIT staring him straight in the eyeballs this year.

They look the same to me. It's harder to win in football at Minnesota than it is in basketball, yet Tubby is God and Brewster sucks.

How does this work Doogie? I'd be curious to hear your answer. So far I can't for the life of me see the difference between the two coaches.
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It's because Tubby doesn't bark, crow and boast in the media and online 24/7/365 about how great he and everything he does is.
 

Goldteam said:
Could you explain to me how the media in this state is ignoring what is going on with Tubby Smith's basketball program?

Brewster is ripped by the media daily about losing guys and his team not playing well.

Tubby on the other hand has players not playing left and right. His team is below .500 yet again.

In fact in 3 years:

Brewster has never finished above .500 in the big 10 and neither has tubby. I doubt Tubby will get there this year. Brewster has gone to two bowl games, while Tubby has been one and done in the tournament one time and has the NIT staring him straight in the eyeballs this year.

They look the same to me. It's harder to win in football at Minnesota than it is in basketball, yet Tubby is God and Brewster sucks.

How does this work Doogie? I'd be curious to hear your answer. So far I can't for the life of me see the difference between the two coaches.
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Very simple - Tubby "walks the walk" while Brewster "talks the talk" Blowhard salesman don't last very long!
 

grunkiejr said:
Q: How many Big Ten teams made the NCAA tournament in 2008-09?
A: 7

Q: How many Big Ten teams made bowls in 2008?
A: 7

Q: What place did we finish within the conference for each sport?
A: 7th
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grunkie,

Not to burst your bubble, but the football Gophers, at 3-5, had a stranglehold on 8th place in 2009, NOT 7th place.

At 4-4, Purdue finished ahead of the Gophers, though did NOT attend a bowl game.
 

I actually agree with the original poster to some extent.

Tim Brewster took a mediocre program and has actually had a decrease in success. People want him fired.

Tubby Smith (is paid better) and took a mediocre program and has kept it mediocre. Off the court trouble has plagued the program. People still think he's a God.

I'm not saying either coach should be fired, I understand Tim Brewster has not proven himself anywhere yet. But, if you want one gone don't you have to wonder a little about the other?
 

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