Disillusionment

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EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Yes. This isn't rocket science. And even if it is...the University of Minnesota could have figured out a way to pay 2 or 3 of our basketball players if they wanted to.
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It's completely hopeless then. No matter what "THEY" will sabotage it. So why are you still here?
 

howeda7 said:
It's completely hopeless then. No matter what "THEY" will sabotage it. So why are you still here?
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I won't be watching any games this coming year. There's no point in that.

But at least here I can tell it like it is. I have no respect whatsoever for the 'good' teams who pay the players. They should be ashamed of themselves.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Are the big-paying schools' boosters paying the players...at the direction of the schools?

Do we really have to split hairs?
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Not splitting hairs. The schools and universities aren't paying players. Now if this revenue sharing model comes to fruition, then they will be. Hopefully that happens sooner rather than later.
 

restovich said:
I probably speak for many here. I used to be a *huge* Gopher basketball fan. Season tickets all six years 1978-1984 I was there, and then following them avidly from points south since 1984.

Not much anymore. With the Hawkins news I hardly can get myself to care, other than just being disappointed.

Sure, its NIL. But it was the way the NCAA treated North Carolina. And how Arizona and Kansas got almost no penalties for doing much worse then the actions in 1997 with Clemgate. I see NCAA spokesweasels talk about the greatness of the sport, and my grouchy old man reaction is I wish I could just punch them.

I expect I will be taking a break from this Board. This stuff is just too painful.
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I feel your pain as a Gopher basketball fan since 1960. Very discouraging!
 



EasyThere Pilgrim said:
I won't be watching any games this coming year. There's no point in that.

But at least here I can tell it like it is. I have no respect whatsoever for the 'good' teams who pay the players. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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I’m very proud of you not wanting to watch any upcoming games this season, but you really don’t have to come on here to explain anything to us. I think we’re gonna be OK.
 

Rocksoldier said:
I’m very proud of you not wanting to watch any upcoming games this season, but you really don’t have to come on here to explain anything to us. I think we’re gonna be OK.
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Well we just had another guy here, just now, saying again that the schools aren't paying the players.

Until we get theses basic facts and common-sense down...no wonder we can't agree on anything in here.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Well we just had another guy here, just now, saying again that the schools aren't paying the players.

Until we get theses basic facts and common-sense down...no wonder we can't agree on anything in here.
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It's funny you don't realize how much better the situation would be if schools were actually allowed to pay the players.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
I won't be watching any games this coming year. There's no point in that.

But at least here I can tell it like it is. I have no respect whatsoever for the 'good' teams who pay the players. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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You don’t think the gophers were paying guys they acquired last season?
 



EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Well we just had another guy here, just now, saying again that the schools aren't paying the players.

Until we get theses basic facts and common-sense down...no wonder we can't agree on anything in here.
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You won't watch but will still be here to tell us what a spectacular coach Ben is and none of it is his fault. Got it.
 

Gophers7633 said:
It's funny you don't realize how much better the situation would be if schools were actually allowed to pay the players.
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Schools ARE paying the players.

I told you guys...we still can't agree on this.

And schools paying the students will NEVER be a good thing.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Schools ARE paying the players.

I told you guys...we still can't agree on this.

And schools paying the students will NEVER be a good thing.
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Schools and made up collectives aren't the same thing. Like I said, if schools could start paying, we'd be at a much better advantage.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Schools ARE paying the players.

I told you guys...we still can't agree on this.

And schools paying the students will NEVER be a good thing.
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Players have been getting paid under the table in all sports as long as I can remember legal or not so yes, there is probably some schools that are paying kids.
 



Gophers7633 said:
Schools and made up collectives aren't the same thing. Like I said, if schools could start paying, we'd be at a much better advantage.
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Well at least you admit that the collectives are "made up".

And schools that want to pay the players are able to raise the funds. While schools that don't want to pay the players have a funding shortfall.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Then why do some guys on here keep saying that schools aren't paying the players...and that it's all legitimate legal name-image-and-likeness advertising money ??
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Because the collectives and sugar daddies are. There is no way you are actually this stupid you would never survive through the day.
 


I'm sure this idea has a million holes, but since a free ride scholarship doesn't seem to be worth anything to these high level athletes in the major sports, why not just eliminate athletic scholarships at the D-1 level for the major money-making sports? Talking football, basketball and maybe baseball.

If you're good enough to be paid a half million or more to play at my alma mater, you now have more than enough money to pay for school, lodging and books. Still required to meet the minimum amount of credits, and get the grades to be eligible to compete. If you don't want to deal with classes, there is always GLeague and/or overseas opportunities. Heck there may also be unaffiliated minor league basketball leagues around the country that will pay a salary.

Like I said, can't imagine it happening, as it would require everybody to buy in and be willing to play fair and honest with everybody else. Just a random thought. I have to admit, I can't imagine the idea of paying out huge amounts of my money just to be able to say a school I used to attend is good at my favorite sport. $50 to go and watch a game, sure. But hundreds of of thousands? Tax write-off?
 


Dave H said:
Because the collectives and sugar daddies are. There is no way you are actually this stupid you would never survive through the day.
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Somewhere inside is a fragile ego that needs a big 'ol hug. ❤️‍🩹 :p
 

Dave H said:
Because the collectives and sugar daddies are. There is no way you are actually this stupid you would never survive through the day.
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You literally believe anything you're told...no matter how stupid it is.

If you don't think Minnesota could have afforded to keep our players if they really wanted to...you ought to have your head examined. They're lying about all these complications and shortfalls in our 'collectives'.

Sure, human nature tends to believe whatever their told. But I'm telling you to wake up.
 

a system where you take your shot at NIL and pay for school or a scholarship for 4 years? Probably as many holes.

I actually think the free transfer is the issue. Schools need to be limited to the number of transfers than can accept in a given year. I don’t know what the math would say, but if each school could only accept say, 2 per year, there would be a real risk involved for a student choosing to leave his current roster spot.
 

the current "rules" state that schools are not allowed to pay players directly. NIL - or the pay for play that NIL has morphed into - must come from collectives or outside donors.

the U of MN has stated that it will abide by the current rules.

so Pilgrim is calling for the U of MN to cheat. and we all know how well that worked out for the U of MN when it tried to bend or break rules in the past.

as several of us have tried to point out to Pilgrim, simply because you don't like something does not make it illegal. I don't like it when people on Gopher Hole post links to articles that are behind a paywall. but I don't think that should be be illegal. (and it's not as big of an issue since I subscribed to The Athletic.....)
 

short ornery norwegian said:
the current "rules" state that schools are not allowed to pay players directly. NIL - or the pay for play that NIL has morphed into - must come from collectives or outside donors.

the U of MN has stated that it will abide by the current rules.

so Pilgrim is calling for the U of MN to cheat. and we all know how well that worked out for the U of MN when it tried to bend or break rules in the past.

as several of us have tried to point out to Pilgrim, simply because you don't like something does not make it illegal. I don't like it when people on Gopher Hole post links to articles that are behind a paywall. but I don't think that should be be illegal. (and it's not as big of an issue since I subscribed to The Athletic.....)
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you know it is odd.....when Pilgrim is posting a lot MPLS is nowhere to be found....hmmmm.....very strange.... :)

Would seem like the two of them would get along great.....they seem to have so much in common with their off the wall takes and constant replies to every single post in every single thread....
 

short ornery norwegian said:
the current "rules" state that schools are not allowed to pay players directly. NIL - or the pay for play that NIL has morphed into - must come from collectives or outside donors.

the U of MN has stated that it will abide by the current rules.

so Pilgrim is calling for the U of MN to cheat. and we all know how well that worked out for the U of MN when it tried to bend or break rules in the past.

as several of us have tried to point out to Pilgrim, simply because you don't like something does not make it illegal. I don't like it when people on Gopher Hole post links to articles that are behind a paywall. but I don't think that should be be illegal. (and it's not as big of an issue since I subscribed to The Athletic.....)
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The administration lies about wanting to have a good basketball program. They actually sabotage it whenever it's good.

It's a big Dog & Pony Show. Like now...pretending to have a Collective that's behind on funds so we lose our best team in a long time.

I've always been against their dishonest & immoral sabotaging. But in this case...it's actually fraud & sleaze to pay for players.
 

MNVCGUY said:
you know it is odd.....when Pilgrim is posting a lot MPLS is nowhere to be found....hmmmm.....very strange.... :)

Would seem like the two of them would get along great.....they seem to have so much in common with their off the wall takes and constant replies to every single post in every single thread....
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I'm not that poster in question.

But I admit...I haven't been this unhinged since we booted-out Reggie Lynch and sabotaged Pitino's best team.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
But I admit...I haven't been this unhinged since we booted-out Reggie Lynch and sabotaged Pitino's best team.
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That wasn't Pitino's best team. The year before that was. The 2017-2018 team would have been marginal to make the NCAA tournament event before Coffey got hurt and Lynch got suspended. Lynch being there wouldn't have saved them. They went 4-14 for God's sake. If Lynch is there maybe they go 6-12 or 7-11. Never mind that he deserved to be kicked off the team.

You imagine great teams that never were and then get super bitter at a mysterious "THEM" that you think sabotaged them. Even the Tubby team that DID sort of get sabotaged was a Sweet 16 team at best, not a national title contender. Seek some help.
 




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