Delaney Wants FCS Teams Off Schedule

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Herd said:
So far, the B1G is all alone. The SEC, B12 and P12 just schedule the games, and don't feel the need to verbally bash the FCS or restrict games with the FCS. They just let their brand speak for itself on the field. The B1G is acting like a bunchof pussies. Barry Alvarez wont play FCS teams because they are not competitive (he says, after he squeeks by Cal Poly and UNI), so he schedules UMass? Really Barry? Like that helps his brand more than playing UNI.
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Herd, I respect NDSU. And what I said was not an attempt to belittle any FCS program. But I am quite sure this "bash"ing of the FCS has little to do with "let their brand speak for itself on the field." It is about making the B1G bigger. The B1G is FIRST, a business. Significant financial penalties are becoming a norm for leaving a conference because college football is FIRST, a business.

The SEC now has a foot in texas because of stealing Texas A&M from the Big 12. These major conferences have little regard for the financial status of other major FBS conferences. These Conferences will do everything that they can to have that brand edge. Here are my example questions Herd - and again, no ill will here, just my thoughts on the situation.

What makes you think that the SEC would remain altruistic toward the FCS?
What makes you think that they (or any other conference) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, desire parity (with the FCS) as opposed to complete dominance (and perhaps sinking of the FCS)?
 

dpodoll68 said:
I refuse to believe that no conference wants them. What is more likely is that they're content beating up the JV and are afraid of being exposed, or they're harboring delusions of holding out for a Big Ten or Big 12 invite.
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You can't have it both ways. Either the elite FCS schools are too small, no one cares about them/small tv market and thus no one would invite them to a conference or they really are big enough and could be competitive in the FBS.

Division 1 seems to have three tiers of football, not 2. The bottom of FBS has never/will never be competitive with the top ten. The bottom of the FCS has non-scholarship leagues/HBCU leagues which can't compete with the leagues giving the full 63 scholarships. The Sun-Belt and SEC are in the same division in name only. We already have differences between the BCS and "rest of FBS" which will continue with the new 4 team college football playoff that likely won't include any Sun Belt athletic directors in any selection committee.
 

AO54 said:
You can't have it both ways. Either the elite FCS schools are too small, no one cares about them/small tv market and thus no one would invite them to a conference or they really are big enough and could be competitive in the FBS.
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It's not having it both ways. When they're in FCS, almost no one cares. If and when they move up to FBS, more will care. It's not complicated.

Also, bahahaha "elite".
 

dpodoll68 said:
It's not having it both ways. When they're in FCS, almost no one cares. If and when they move up to FBS, more will care. It's not complicated.

Also, bahahaha "elite".
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Of course it is having it both ways. They wouldn't get an invite if "almost no one cares". They wouldn't have 15,000 fans travel to Dallas for the title game, and they certainly would never be on ESPN2 or FS1. Maybe the Mountain West will look at adding some Missouri Valley schools in the next 10 years, who knows?
 

AO54 said:
Of course it is having it both ways. They wouldn't get an invite if "almost no one cares". They wouldn't have 15,000 fans travel to Dallas for the title game, and they certainly would never be on ESPN2 or FS1. Maybe the Mountain West will look at adding some Missouri Valley schools in the next 10 years, who knows?
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No, it's not having it both ways. Sorry. Almost no one cares. Almost no one cares about most schools in the MWC, Sun Belt, C-USA, etc., either, so NDAC would fit right in.

Oooh, ESPN2. Scheduled right between a rodeo and dogs doing an obstacle course. Pinch me, I'm dreaming.

When will you learn that all of your opinions on everything are terrible?
 


dpodoll68 said:
No, it's not having it both ways. Sorry. Almost no one cares. Almost no one cares about most schools in the MWC, Sun Belt, C-USA, etc., either, so NDAC would fit right in.

Oooh, ESPN2. Scheduled right between a rodeo and dogs doing an obstacle course. Pinch me, I'm dreaming.

When will you learn that all of your opinions on everything are terrible?
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Maybe the Big-Ten can just move to a 12 game conference schedule if almost no one cares about anyone else then.
 

dpodoll68 said:
No, it's not having it both ways. Sorry. Almost no one cares. Almost no one cares about most schools in the MWC, Sun Belt, C-USA, etc., either, so NDAC would fit right in.

Oooh, ESPN2. Scheduled right between a rodeo and dogs doing an obstacle course. Pinch me, I'm dreaming.

When will you learn that all of your opinions on everything are terrible?
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HAHA! Nice Dpo! :clap:
 

kisarazu said:
Herd, I respect NDSU. And what I said was not an attempt to belittle any FCS program. But I am quite sure this "bash"ing of the FCS has little to do with "let their brand speak for itself on the field." It is about making the B1G bigger. The B1G is FIRST, a business. Significant financial penalties are becoming a norm for leaving a conference because college football is FIRST, a business.

The SEC now has a foot in texas because of stealing Texas A&M from the Big 12. These major conferences have little regard for the financial status of other major FBS conferences. These Conferences will do everything that they can to have that brand edge. Here are my example questions Herd - and again, no ill will here, just my thoughts on the situation.

What makes you think that the SEC would remain altruistic toward the FCS?
What makes you think that they (or any other conference) will, out of the goodness of their hearts, desire parity (with the FCS) as opposed to complete dominance (and perhaps sinking of the FCS)?
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The SEC, P12, and B12 (most teams) continue to schedule FCS games as allowed by the NCAA, counting toward bowl eligibility. These conferences are not scared of or threatened by the FCS, and the economics of playing 1 FCS game per year makes sence to them. These conferences have many more resources and advantages vs. FCS (like the B1G), so the need to announce that they won't schedule FCS games does not cross their minds. They play 1 game/year and expect to win it.

The B1G on the other hand (in their great arrogance) believes that college footbal should be an excusive club, and they should be able to sit at the head of the table, whether they have earned that distinction or not. They want wins, but they act like they should be given to them instead of earning them, regardless of who they play.

In reality, I don't have an issue with the B1G (each school) scheduling in their best interest . . . that is how it should be for everyone. If MN doensn't want to schedule any dakota schools . . . that fine, if Ohio St doesn't want to schedule FCS . . . fine, if Wisconsin want 8 homes games and doesn't want to challenge themselves . . .fine, whatever. I do, however, have a problem with the entire conference taking unnecessary stands and announcing it to the media that are chicken*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# and unnecessary, and seek to cause damage to DI football as a whole (FCS is DI, for the learning impared). Just schedule who you want to schedule within the current ncaa guideline, and shut up about it, IMO.

If it's all about TV, then schedule the best teams you can find OOC that are good and interesting matchups for your fanbases. And if you have a brain at all, you'll know that some of those games will be against FCS opponnents. You can't schedule all the OOC games vs. the SEC, P12 and B12, you need to find some wins also.
 

Herd said:
The SEC, P12, and B12 (most teams) continue to schedule FCS games as allowed by the NCAA, counting toward bowl eligibility. These conferences are not scared of or threatened by the FCS, and the economics of playing 1 FCS game per year makes sence to them. These conferences have many more resources and advantages vs. FCS (like the B1G), so the need to announce that they won't schedule FCS games does not cross their minds. They play 1 game/year and expect to win it.

The B1G on the other hand (in their great arrogance) believes that college footbal should be an excusive club, and they should be able to sit at the head of the table, whether they have earned that distinction or not. They want wins, but they act like they should be given to them instead of earning them, regardless of who they play.

In reality, I don't have an issue with the B1G (each school) scheduling in their best interest . . . that is how it should be for everyone. If MN doensn't want to schedule any dakota schools . . . that fine, if Ohio St doesn't want to schedule FCS . . . fine, if Wisconsin want 8 homes games and doesn't want to challenge themselves . . .fine, whatever. I do, however, have a problem with the entire conference taking unnecessary stands and announcing it to the media that are chicken*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# and unnecessary, and seek to cause damage to DI football as a whole (FCS is DI, for the learning impared). Just schedule who you want to schedule within the current ncaa guideline, and shut up about it, IMO.

If it's all about TV, then schedule the best teams you can find OOC that are good and interesting matchups for your fanbases. And if you have a brain at all, you'll know that some of those games will be against FCS opponnents. You can't schedule all the OOC games vs. the SEC, P12 and B12, you need to find some wins also.
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Saban seems to disagree with you. http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jeff-schultz/2013/may/10/saban-drop-fcs-opponents-play-nine-sec-games/
 




Herd said:
The SEC, P12, and B12 (most teams) continue to schedule FCS games as allowed by the NCAA, counting toward bowl eligibility. These conferences are not scared of or threatened by the FCS, and the economics of playing 1 FCS game per year makes sence to them. These conferences have many more resources and advantages vs. FCS (like the B1G), so the need to announce that they won't schedule FCS games does not cross their minds. They play 1 game/year and expect to win it.

The B1G on the other hand (in their great arrogance) believes that college footbal should be an excusive club, and they should be able to sit at the head of the table, whether they have earned that distinction or not. They want wins, but they act like they should be given to them instead of earning them, regardless of who they play.

In reality, I don't have an issue with the B1G (each school) scheduling in their best interest . . . that is how it should be for everyone. If MN doensn't want to schedule any dakota schools . . . that fine, if Ohio St doesn't want to schedule FCS . . . fine, if Wisconsin want 8 homes games and doesn't want to challenge themselves . . .fine, whatever. I do, however, have a problem with the entire conference taking unnecessary stands and announcing it to the media that are chicken*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# and unnecessary, and seek to cause damage to DI football as a whole (FCS is DI, for the learning impared). Just schedule who you want to schedule within the current ncaa guideline, and shut up about it, IMO.

If it's all about TV, then schedule the best teams you can find OOC that are good and interesting matchups for your fanbases. And if you have a brain at all, you'll know that some of those games will be against FCS opponnents. You can't schedule all the OOC games vs. the SEC, P12 and B12, you need to find some wins also.
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:rolleyes:
Nobody's threatened or scared of D2 schools(Yes, FCS is the 2nd Division of scholarship football, it's D2)
D2 matchups aren't good for anyone except the D2 teams, and only the good ones. See what wisky does to Tennesee Tech this weekend and tell me that's good for a conference hell bent on building a national brand.
You're mad because this likely ends NDSU's run as irrelevantly relevant, AKA beating mediocre D1 schools and claiming they belong among college football's best, when they really don't.
Sour grapes from a delusional fanbase. D2 football(FCS for the learning impaired) doesn't register in the B1G.
 







dpodoll68 said:
Oh, the ironing.
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Hey, I just whipped out the message . . . sorry about the spelling and other errors. Thanks for your great work pointing those out. You obviously did a great job as a teachers assistant in high school.

Do you have a comment on the message, I'd be much more interested in that.
 

Perhaps for the good of football, NDSU should schedule some D-II teams.
 

RodentRampage said:
Perhaps for the good of football, NDSU should schedule some D-II teams.
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Ferris State is in Fargo tomorrow. Montana State dropped out of their matchup to go play at SMU.

kisarazu said:
Saban seems to disagree with you. http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jeff-schultz/2013/may/10/saban-drop-fcs-opponents-play-nine-sec-games/
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Funny that in the first sentence of the article the author also makes fun of scheduling New Mexico State.
Some SEC football coaches seem to be balking at nine-game conference schedules, as if wins over New Mexico State, Alabama A&M or anybody in the Sun Belt is going to save their job any way.
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Ole said:
:rolleyes:
Nobody's threatened or scared of D2 schools(Yes, FCS is the 2nd Division of scholarship football, it's D2)
D2 matchups aren't good for anyone except the D2 teams, and only the good ones. See what wisky does to Tennesee Tech this weekend and tell me that's good for a conference hell bent on building a national brand.
You're mad because this likely ends NDSU's run as irrelevantly relevant, AKA beating mediocre D1 schools and claiming they belong among college football's best, when they really don't.
Sour grapes from a delusional fanbase. D2 football(FCS for the learning impaired) doesn't register in the B1G.
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Sorry, but FCS is DI football, thus games vs top conferences on FS1. If you want to watch DII football you don't have to go far though. You can head over to Concordia SP, Duluth, Mankato, St Cloud . . . you have lots of opportunity here in MN. It's darn good football too, but I'm sure people here don't have time for it, after all it's DII.

Wisconsin is playing TN Tech, what do you expect. . . that's like playing New Mexico State, probably a step up from UMass though. They need a firm spatula, as they are scraping the bottom of the FBS barrel awfully hard.

MN could be challening themselves vs. teams like KState on the road, but I don't know if you have the stomach for it. You guys would be drowning in maroon koolaid had you played and won that game. Instead you are scraping up the bottom of the FBS barrel and feeling good about it, cause it's not DI FCS. Build that brand, that wonderful brand boys.

Hey, I root for MN, live here, and have tickets for 9/14. I try to dis-associate Jerry Kill and his team from some of the fanbase represented here. I have no gripe about MN, other than the scheduling and the attack dogs here.
 

Herd said:
Sorry, but FCS is DI football, thus games vs top conferences on FS1. If you want to watch DII football you don't have to go far though. You can head over to Concordia SP, Duluth, Mankato, St Cloud . . . you have lots of opportunity here in MN. It's darn good football too, but I'm sure people here don't have time for it, after all it's DII.

Wisconsin is playing TN Tech, what do you expect. . . that's like playing New Mexico State, probably a step up from UMass though. They need a firm spatula, as they are scraping the bottom of the FBS barrel awfully hard.

MN could be challening themselves vs. teams like KState on the road, but I don't know if you have the stomach for it. You guys would be drowning in maroon koolaid had you played and won that game. Instead you are scraping up the bottom of the FBS barrel and feeling good about it, cause it's not DI FCS. Build that brand, that wonderful brand boys.

Hey, I root for MN, live here, and have tickets for 9/14. I try to dis-associate Jerry Kill and his team from some of the fanbase represented here. I have no gripe about MN, other than the scheduling and the attack dogs here.
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Don't have the stomach for it? I must have forgotten about recent road games against California, U of Southern Cal, a series scheduled with Texas before THEY backed out, and future tilts against TCU and Oregon State. Yeah, we are really trembling with the thought of playing a team like KSU.
 

Herd said:
Sorry, but FCS is DI football, thus games vs top conferences on FS1. If you want to watch DII football you don't have to go far though. You can head over to Concordia SP, Duluth, Mankato, St Cloud . . . you have lots of opportunity here in MN. It's darn good football too, but I'm sure people here don't have time for it, after all it's DII.

Wisconsin is playing TN Tech, what do you expect. . . that's like playing New Mexico State, probably a step up from UMass though. They need a firm spatula, as they are scraping the bottom of the FBS barrel awfully hard.

MN could be challening themselves vs. teams like KState on the road, but I don't know if you have the stomach for it. You guys would be drowning in maroon koolaid had you played and won that game. Instead you are scraping up the bottom of the FBS barrel and feeling good about it, cause it's not DI FCS. Build that brand, that wonderful brand boys.

Hey, I root for MN, live here, and have tickets for 9/14. I try to dis-associate Jerry Kill and his team from some of the fanbase represented here. I have no gripe about MN, other than the scheduling and the attack dogs here.
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It seems like you are trying to seek approval and recognition from us (Gopher fanbase). Why?
 

Ok, Gopherpride 13. I approve of NDSU being in existence and I recognize that NDSU exists.

Now maybe they will go away.
 


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