Delaney Wants FCS Teams Off Schedule

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I'd be fine with getting rid of FCS programs on the schedule, as long as we had a few assurances from the conference that they would do something to help if the costs get too high for an FBS opponent. I'm sorry, but if the going rate to get a MAC/Sun Belt/MW school is around $1 mil., New Hampshire & Western Illinois look awfully good to me for $350K. Ohio State doesn't need to apologize for making a ton more revenue than us, but they also have to realize that we're in a different position from them as well.

If that involves the result being a new TV contract because of no FCS programs that increases revenue to help with those fees, then cool with me.
 

RodentRampage said:
I don't agree. The loss in 2011 to New Mexico State was a worse loss than losing to NDSU, yet the loss to NDSU was perceived nationally as a worse loss than the NMSU loss. It may not be fair, but when you play an FCS team, the perception is the same whether you play a top FCS team or a bottom FCS team.
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Neither loss was really perceived nationally. NDSU came in as the the favorite and won. Nobody really cared nationally about a 1-3 team that would then go on to lose 58-0 to Michigan.

K-State is still going to be favored at home against their next two FBS opponents as the national respect of NDSU has grown. Kansas State is still being projected by some to go to a bowl game. It's not the end of the world and they didn't have the same national championship possibilities as last season. They'll live to fight another day.
 

AO54 said:
Neither loss was really perceived nationally. NDSU came in as the the favorite and won. Nobody really cared nationally about a 1-3 team that would then go on to lose 58-0 to Michigan.

K-State is still going to be favored at home against their next two FBS opponents as the national respect of NDSU has grown. Kansas State is still being projected by some to go to a bowl game. It's not the end of the world and they didn't have the same national championship possibilities as last season. They'll live to fight another day.
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:rolleyes:
Troll much?
 

AO54 said:
except when the FCS teams are better than UNLV or New Mexico State. If you want momentum and ticket sales, schedule good games regardless of conference or division label. Nobody is fooled by scheduling New Mexico State instead of North Carolina.
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Losing to New Mexico is bad but it doesn't get near the publicity that losing to NDSU does. I'm not talking about people on this website, but people in the general public, they see the FCS label and it's seen as inferior. It doesn't matter that the team may actually be better than some low tier FBS teams, the perception is what matters.
 

FireDaveLee said:
I'd be fine with getting rid of FCS programs on the schedule, as long as we had a few assurances from the conference that they would do something to help if the costs get too high for an FBS opponent. I'm sorry, but if the going rate to get a MAC/Sun Belt/MW school is around $1 mil., New Hampshire & Western Illinois look awfully good to me for $350K. Ohio State doesn't need to apologize for making a ton more revenue than us, but they also have to realize that we're in a different position from them as well.

If that involves the result being a new TV contract because of no FCS programs that increases revenue to help with those fees, then cool with me.
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A weak independent team like NMSU, who can schedule as many buy games as it pleases might be in the best shape in the new FBS landscape.
 


husker70 said:
... Where it should be addressed is with the top of the conference. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Nebraska, Wisconsin. They should be required to schedule BCS contenders in the non conference ala Georgia v. Clemson. Who wouldn't want to watch say Louisville v Ohio State, Penn State v. Florida State, Nebraska v. Oklahoma. Michigan v Texas Michigan State v. Oregon. If you want to drive numbers which Delaney has said, take the opportunity and schedule national games in the non conference, don't hide behind directional schools, the lowest members of the MAC. Take a step beyond the FCS schools to no more directional schools. This is the Big 10.
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Tough to make this argument, husker 70...then to annually belly up to the Big 10 Conference trough and expect to be fed an equal share of ALL BTN, ESPN, ABC, and BCS bowl revenue ($10's of millions per year). At some point, the heavyweights you highlight above will take notice and suggest a modification to the current arrangement.:p
 

dinkything said:
Tough to make this argument, husker 70...then to annually belly up to the Big 10 Conference trough and expect to be fed an equal share of ALL BTN, ESPN, ABC, and BCS bowl revenue ($10's of millions per year). At some point, the heavyweights you highlight above will take notice and suggest a modification to the current arrangement.:p
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No they will not.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
A weak independent team like NMSU, who can schedule as many buy games as it pleases might be in the best shape in the new FBS landscape.
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They are also at the mercy of who they can schedule. A conference makes scheduling much easier. Then again, NMSU did pretty well this year scheduling BCS teams, with Minnesota and Boston College at home, and playing at Texas and at UCLA. They also have seven home games. It will be interesting to see if they can keep getting a decent schedule. Their season ticket packages start at $49.
 

AO54 said:
Of course you have to prove it as common sense says the ratings would be higher with a more evenly matched opponent.
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Nope. There is a ton of evidence to suggest that quality of opponents has far less to do with ratings than does national appeal and notoriety, of which NDSU has absolutely zero.

Bigger deal to beat Michigan or Kansas State, not Minnesota. unfortunately.
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Nope. Also you clearly aren't a Gophers fan.

It's better than the online only way to watch the MAC team I mentioned for 8 of their 12 games.
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Eastern Michigan is hardly the norm. They are only kept in the MAC to have an even number of teams for most sports and they are easy to travel to for most of the MAC schools. This is, of course, why you specifically chose them as an example.
 



RodentRampage said:
They are also at the mercy of who they can schedule. A conference makes scheduling much easier. Then again, NMSU did pretty well this year scheduling BCS teams, with Minnesota and Boston College at home, and playing at Texas and at UCLA. They also have seven home games. It will be interesting to see if they can keep getting a decent schedule. Their season ticket packages start at $49.
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As an indy FBS team, they can go to an OSU or Michigan and take the place of a Youngstown St or UMass. If the SEC eschews FCS, they will be available to go play Bama in November. Being able to play on any date, while the MWC, CUSA, MAC & Sun Belt are tied up in conference play can bring in the $$$$ for the Aggies.
 

station19 said:
Then don't lose to them.
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Oooh *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# cause I thought we were supposed to. Thanks for that.

The point is that there's almost nothing to gain and everything to lose. So why bother? The only people who want this game are Bison fans and the extremely few Gophers fans that live up in that area. That says everything right there.
 

KSU will be lucky to win 5games this year man sorry.
 

I'll give North Dakota State all the credit in the world for accomplishing what they have. What their fans fail to realize, however, is that it is still extremely small potatoes outside of North Dakota and the very few other places in this country that care about FCS football. I have no doubt that they could do well in the MAC if they were invited. They aren't invited, however, because they are in the middle of nowhere and their fan support/facilities are middling at best. That stuff matters far more than w/l when it comes to discussions like this, and beating a few FBS programs isn't going to change that.
 



dinkything said:
Tough to make this argument, husker 70...then to annually belly up to the Big 10 Conference trough and expect to be fed an equal share of ALL BTN, ESPN, ABC, and BCS bowl revenue ($10's of millions per year). At some point, the heavyweights you highlight above will take notice and suggest a modification to the current arrangement.:p
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from: Iceland12

"No they will not."




great response :rolleyes:
 


Gopherprof said:
Nope. There is a ton of evidence to suggest that quality of opponents has far less to do with ratings than does national appeal and notoriety, of which NDSU has absolutely zero.
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What is the national appeal of New Mexico State or UNLV exactly? Could it even be measured? Meanwhile FCS teams knocked off the 25th and 26th ranked teams in the country last week.
Gopherprof said:
Nope. Also you clearly aren't a Gophers fan.
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You're clearly an idiot.

Gopherprof said:
Eastern Michigan is hardly the norm. They are only kept in the MAC to have an even number of teams for most sports and they are easy to travel to for most of the MAC schools. This is, of course, why you specifically chose them as an example.
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There are zero MAC teams in the top 25. Where is the national appeal? They play on Tuesday and Wednesday later in the season as they know no one will watch them on Saturday. We're more relieved than happy when we squeak past Miami-Ohio and we're very upset when we lose to Northern Illinois. The people who can't tell good teams from bad teams, except by the FBS/FCS label aren't likely to study which teams are from which division, or really spend much time watching football at all.
 

FCS - College Football's Answer to the PGA's "Web.com" Tour

Only difference is, the top teams from FCS don't get their "tour card" to jump up to the FBS, by finishing 1st, or even in their top slice.

Could a top Web.com tour player beat a PGA Tour player in match play on occasion? Without question. Especially if that Web.com player is at the peak of his game, and the Tour player is injured or having a down year. Great for them, but unless you are a Web.com player's family . . . no one cares.

Who won the baseball's AAA playoff last year, or the year before? Probably only the fans of that respective minor league affiliate.

Who won the Grey Cup in the CFL last year? I'd guess the Eskimos - only because it is interesting knowing there is a team nicknamed the Eskimos.

Who won the AHL championship last year? Can you even name an AHL team?

Who won the NASCAR Nationwide circuit last year? Who is leading this year? Unless you are a motorhead . . . (Disclosure: I don't follow racing at all, btw).

The good ol' FCS is what it is - a race to be the 126th best team in college football, because by definition they are in a separate division - a "sub"-division. To wit - I don't see any FCS teams listed in the 125 ranked teams in my Athlon's or Phil Steele pre-season college football mags.

Facts are stubborn and sometimes sting a bit.
 

spermophilus said:
Only difference is, the top teams from FCS don't get their "tour card" to jump up to the FBS, by finishing 1st, or even in their top slice.

Could a top Web.com tour player beat a PGA Tour player in match play on occasion? Without question. Especially if that Web.com player is at the peak of his game, and the Tour player is injured or having a down year. Great for them, but unless you are a Web.com player's family . . . no one cares.

Who won the baseball's AAA playoff last year, or the year before? Probably only the fans of that respective minor league affiliate.

Who won the Grey Cup in the CFL last year? I'd guess the Eskimos - only because it is interesting knowing there is a team nicknamed the Eskimos.

Who won the AHL championship last year? Can you even name an AHL team?

Who won the NASCAR Nationwide circuit last year? Who is leading this year? Unless you are a motorhead . . . (Disclosure: I don't follow racing at all, btw).

The good ol' FCS is what it is - a race to be the 126th best team in college football, because by definition they are in a separate division - a "sub"-division. To wit - I don't see any FCS teams listed in the 125 ranked teams in my Athlon's or Phil Steele pre-season college football mags.

Facts are stubborn and sometimes sting a bit.
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+1. Nailed it.
 


spermophilus said:
Could a top Web.com tour player beat a PGA Tour player in match play on occasion? Without question. Especially if that Web.com player is at the peak of his game, and the Tour player is injured or having a down year. Great for them, but unless you are a Web.com player's family . . . no one cares.
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No one cares about the FCS, except the tens of thousands of people watching the games in person, the millions watching on TV and all the trolls on the message boards who explode after they're upset.
spermophilus said:
Who won the baseball's AAA playoff last year, or the year before? Probably only the fans of that respective minor league affiliate.

Who won the Grey Cup in the CFL last year? I'd guess the Eskimos - only because it is interesting knowing there is a team nicknamed the Eskimos.

Who won the AHL championship last year? Can you even name an AHL team?

Who won the NASCAR Nationwide circuit last year? Who is leading this year? Unless you are a motorhead . . . (Disclosure: I don't follow racing at all, btw).
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Who won the FCS last year? I'm betting you know the answer to that question.

spermophilus said:
The good ol' FCS is what it is - a race to be the 126th best team in college football, because by definition they are in a separate division - a "sub"-division. To wit - I don't see any FCS teams listed in the 125 ranked teams in my Athlon's or Phil Steele pre-season college football mags.

Facts are stubborn and sometimes sting a bit.
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try Massey or Sagarin (2 of the rankings used in the BCS standings) if you want to see where the FCS teams are ranked amongst the FBS teams. or just look at last year's final AP poll - North Dakota State listed as #36. Those facts about FCS teams beating FBS teams and thus being ranked higher and considered better are pretty stubborn and sometimes sting a bit.
 

spermophilus said:
Only difference is, the top teams from FCS don't get their "tour card" to jump up to the FBS, by finishing 1st, or even in their top slice.

Could a top Web.com tour player beat a PGA Tour player in match play on occasion? Without question. Especially if that Web.com player is at the peak of his game, and the Tour player is injured or having a down year. Great for them, but unless you are a Web.com player's family . . . no one cares.

Who won the baseball's AAA playoff last year, or the year before? Probably only the fans of that respective minor league affiliate.

Who won the Grey Cup in the CFL last year? I'd guess the Eskimos - only because it is interesting knowing there is a team nicknamed the Eskimos.

Who won the AHL championship last year? Can you even name an AHL team?

Who won the NASCAR Nationwide circuit last year? Who is leading this year? Unless you are a motorhead . . . (Disclosure: I don't follow racing at all, btw).

The good ol' FCS is what it is - a race to be the 126th best team in college football, because by definition they are in a separate division - a "sub"-division. To wit - I don't see any FCS teams listed in the 125 ranked teams in my Athlon's or Phil Steele pre-season college football mags.

Facts are stubborn and sometimes sting a bit.
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+54.

Trolls can't handle the truth.
 

spermophilus said:
Only difference is, the top teams from FCS don't get their "tour card" to jump up to the FBS, by finishing 1st, or even in their top slice.

Could a top Web.com tour player beat a PGA Tour player in match play on occasion? Without question. Especially if that Web.com player is at the peak of his game, and the Tour player is injured or having a down year. Great for them, but unless you are a Web.com player's family . . . no one cares.

Who won the baseball's AAA playoff last year, or the year before? Probably only the fans of that respective minor league affiliate.

Who won the Grey Cup in the CFL last year? I'd guess the Eskimos - only because it is interesting knowing there is a team nicknamed the Eskimos.

Who won the AHL championship last year? Can you even name an AHL team?

Who won the NASCAR Nationwide circuit last year? Who is leading this year? Unless you are a motorhead . . . (Disclosure: I don't follow racing at all, btw).

The good ol' FCS is what it is - a race to be the 126th best team in college football, because by definition they are in a separate division - a "sub"-division. To wit - I don't see any FCS teams listed in the 125 ranked teams in my Athlon's or Phil Steele pre-season college football mags.

Facts are stubborn and sometimes sting a bit.
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spermophilus 1

bison troll 0
 

AO54 said:
Who won the FCS last year? I'm betting you know the answer to that question.
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Honestly, if it weren't for trolls like you posting it on this board, I would not have known. God's honest truth. To me it's like watching the WNBA. Sure, there is a small number of people who will watch it, but I won't spend a minute watching, even if the Lynx are in the finals.

I did watch a MAC team play in the Orange Bowl last year, and I did enjoy it. I also watched every bowl game that I had time for. I wouldn't consider spending a minute of my time watching the minor league playoffs you compete in.

Bring me the ban hammer!
 

AO54 said:
What is the national appeal of New Mexico State or UNLV exactly? Could it even be measured? Meanwhile FCS teams knocked off the 25th and 26th ranked teams in the country last week.
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How many times do I have to say this to you? Nobody ever said that those were good teams. You said playing the Dakota schools would increase ratings, yet have shown absolutely no evidence to back that up at all. People have asked for numbers. You have provided nothing. No, UNLV and New Mexico State are not big programs. Nobody ever said they were.

You're clearly an idiot.
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Ah, yes. The last resort of a losing argument. Also, you clearly are a Bison troll. If you're not, you're the saddest and worst Gopher fan I've ever seen. And that's coming from me.


There are zero MAC teams in the top 25.
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What the blue hell does that have to do with anything?

They play on Tuesday and Wednesday later in the season as they know no one will watch them on Saturday.
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Yes, but they are on national television, something that FCS teams can only say when they are playing one of the big boys or in the playoffs. People know the MAC teams precisely because they are on television (and because, by and large, their schools are larger)

The people who can't tell good teams from bad teams, except by the FBS/FCS label aren't likely to study which teams are from which division, or really spend much time watching football at all.
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Those are exactly the type of people that watch football. Have you seen the ratings of college football? You think that many people are guys like us posting on message boards about the intricate details of scheduling?
 

AO54 said:
No one cares about the FCS, except the tens of thousands of people watching the games in person, the millions watching on TV and all the trolls on the message boards who explode after they're upset.
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The most important FCS game of the year struggles to break 20,000 people and is played on a soccer field on ESPN2. Stop it.
 

Gopherprof said:
The most important FCS game of the year struggles to break 20,000 people and is played on a soccer field on ESPN2. Stop it.
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struggles, as in it is already sold out, with 1.1 million viewers watching on TV.
 




Gopherprof said:
From 2008-2010 there were 17k, 14k, and 13k people there respectively.
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and now it has been sold out for the last three years with the 2014 version having sold out within minutes of the box office opening.
 

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