Dan B on KFAN thinks Claeys needs 2 of last 3 to keep job

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SamSquatch said:
If Claeys goes 0-3 in the last three games and loses the low-tier bowl we'll be invited to, he should be fired. Those losses are the most likely scenario given the opponents and the Gophers history. We don't have to have a rockstar coach lined up for the role. Claeys just isn't going to be popular among fans and media barring some very surprising wins. This is important. He doesn't convey confidence to the public and generally has the personality of a pie.

I think it would be right to stop giving his affiliation to Kill any equity. Kill did not get the chance to prove himself here. He and his system were not proven when he had to step down. Claeys being a former member of Kill's staff means nothing.
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I think it will be as much about "how" we play in these last three and the bowl as much as whether we win or lose. The team has been really sloppy this season and that's what has been most troublesome to me. Lots of jumping on the offensive line, which is really inexcusable.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Every other power 5 program would consider that mediocrity, because it is. It doesn't matter how many times we've done it in the past.

There is no reason why we can't have the success Wisconsin has. So while you're excited because 8 wins is something we've only done 5 times, Wisconsin has won 8 games or more 18 times just in the past 23 years. And 3 of the 5 years they didn't were 7 win seasons.
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yea did you miss the whole 90s and early 00s? what was wisconsin doing then? winning more games consistently than they had in their history and they won less than we did before 93.

we obviously want the same things, but low iq schtick about how to build a winning program doesnt do much for anyone except maybe get you off behind your screen playboy. im not sure if you really are that stupid, but the fact you are acting like it makes it ok for others to take that seriously and im not down with that. i consider the season a success with 8 wins - doesnt mean i will consider automatically consider 8 wins in any season a success but with an inconsistent 5th year qb in mitch, no WR corps, and an offensive line that was bad enough we had to goto the juco well ill take it.
 

Urbandale said:
I don't get it. What are you referring to?
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dude is shooting high so he can dump on the gophers when they inevitably dont win 10 games - if there is anything anyone with a pulse knows about the twin cities sorry excuse for a sports media market its that ****ting on the gophers gets you clicks and listeners
 



westcoastgopher11 said:
yea did you miss the whole 90s and early 00s? what was wisconsin doing then? winning more games consistently than they had in their history and they won less than we did before 93.

we obviously want the same things, but low iq schtick about how to build a winning program doesnt do much for anyone except maybe get you off behind your screen playboy. im not sure if you really are that stupid, but the fact you are acting like it makes it ok for others to take that seriously and im not down with that. i consider the season a success with 8 wins - doesnt mean i will consider automatically consider 8 wins in any season a success but with an inconsistent 5th year qb in mitch, no WR corps, and an offensive line that was bad enough we had to goto the juco well ill take it.
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I'm the one with a low IQ?

Wisconsin set the stage for their success by winning a Rose Bowl and finishing ranked 5th/6th in his Alvarez's 4th year. The Gophers have never been ranked in the AP or Coaches poll or beaten a top 20 team in Kill/Claeys 6 years.

Anyways as I've said before this argument is pointless until after the next 3 games.
 

Dan B couldn't name 5 players on the team. His opinion is below meaningless.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I'm the one with a low IQ?

Wisconsin set the stage for their success by winning a Rose Bowl and finishing ranked 5th/6th in his Alvarez's 4th year. The Gophers have never been ranked in the AP or Coaches poll or beaten a top 20 team in Kill/Claeys 6 years.

Anyways as I've said before this argument is pointless until after the next 3 games.
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there are levels of teams man, you dont just get from conference cellar dweller to rose bowl bound overnight in a sustainable way. the next stage for this team will be keeping our win total between 7-9 wins consistently over the next 5+ years, then we will be a mid-tier B1G team where the next step will be competing for the division title. baby steps man you dont erase a half century of objectively dog**** football just by wishing harder for it.

and alvarez had plenty of bad seasons after that rose bowl too, wisky didnt just plateau and chill at 9-10 wins every year from then on out. there is no reason we cant have the same level of success as wisconsin and be the gatekeepers of the division with them, but we arent there yet and thats ok as long as we are going in the right direction (which we'll have a clearer picture on after these last 3 and the bowl game)
 

westcoastgopher11 said:
there are levels of teams man, you dont just get from conference cellar dweller to rose bowl bound overnight in a sustainable way. the next stage for this team will be keeping our win total between 7-9 wins consistently over the next 5+ years, then we will be a mid-tier B1G team where the next step will be competing for the division title. baby steps man you dont erase a half century of objectively dog**** football just by wishing harder for it.

and alvarez had plenty of bad seasons after that rose bowl too, wisky didnt just plateau and chill at 9-10 wins every year from then on out. there is no reason we cant have the same level of success as wisconsin and be the gatekeepers of the division with them, but we arent there yet and thats ok as long as we are going in the right direction (which we'll have a clearer picture on after these last 3 and the bowl game)
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I would agree 100% with you if Kill were still here. I also think the Gophers would be 8-1 or 9-0 if he was still the coach. This was the year that had been circled by Kill and staff as our 10-11 win Iowa/Wisconsin breakout year. Claeys mentioned as much before the season, and he can still get there.

Programs can't be turned around overnight. But the program changing coaches usually do have that big breakout season in the first 4 or 5 years. Alvarez had one bad season, the 2nd season after that first Rose Bowl year. But being able to sell his next two recruiting classes that he won a Rose Bowl, led them back to 2 more Rose Bowl wins when those classes were Jrs/Srs.

Ferentz went 1-11 his first year at Iowa, then won 11 games and the Orange Bowl his 4th year and followed it up with 10 win seasons the next two years. Those Iowa/Wisconsin teams were just as bad as the Gophers were when Kill took over.

We're back to Mason like success now. Mason had 10 seasons to breakthrough the mediocrity and never did. Coyle will have to decide after the next 3 games if Claeys is going to be our breakthrough coach, or if he's a coach that will sustain mediocrity or possibly lead to another decline. If Claeys wins all 3 or loses all 3, I think it's an easy decision. If they fall somewhere in the middle, I don't think anyone has any idea what will happen.
 



GopherWeatherGuy said:
I'm the one with a low IQ?

Wisconsin set the stage for their success by winning a Rose Bowl and finishing ranked 5th/6th in his Alvarez's 4th year. The Gophers have never been ranked in the AP or Coaches poll or beaten a top 20 team in Kill/Claeys 6 years.

Anyways as I've said before this argument is pointless until after the next 3 games.
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Being awefully selective there... How did Alvarez do the couple years before and after 1993? Barry basically averaged 7 wins a season as HC at Wisconsin.

Too bad that one loss may have cost him a shot at the Nat'l Championship...Go Gophers!
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I would agree 100% with you if Kill were still here. I also think the Gophers would be 8-1 or 9-0 if he was still the coach. This was the year that had been circled by Kill and staff as our 10-11 win Iowa/Wisconsin breakout year. Claeys mentioned as much before the season, and he can still get there.

Programs can't be turned around overnight. But the program changing coaches usually do have that big breakout season in the first 4 or 5 years. Alvarez had one bad season, the 2nd season after that first Rose Bowl year. But being able to sell his next two recruiting classes that he won a Rose Bowl, led them back to 2 more Rose Bowl wins when those classes were Jrs/Srs.

Ferentz went 1-11 his first year at Iowa, then won 11 games and the Orange Bowl his 4th year and followed it up with 10 win seasons the next two years. Those Iowa/Wisconsin teams were just as bad as the Gophers were when Kill took over.

We're back to Mason like success now. Mason had 10 seasons to breakthrough the mediocrity and never did. Coyle will have to decide after the next 3 games if Claeys is going to be our breakthrough coach, or if he's a coach that will sustain mediocrity or possibly lead to another decline. If Claeys wins all 3 or loses all 3, I think it's an easy decision. If they fall somewhere in the middle, I don't think anyone has any idea what will happen.
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Again...super selective. Ferentz has also basically averaged 7 wins as HC at IA. Mas averaged 6.5.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Being awefully selective there... How did Alvarez do the couple years before and after 1993? Barry basically averaged 7 wins a season as HC at Wisconsin.

Too bad that one loss may have cost him a shot at the Nat'l Championship...Go Gophers!
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Except I mentioned that in my last post. Overall he won 3 Rose Bowls in 7 years. Not to mention they only played an 11 game schedule for Alvarez's first 10 years and didn't have the luxury of having Rutgers and Maryland in the B1G.
 

Danny B apparently had a slow news day and was stretching for topics. Pretty bad.
 



GopherWeatherGuy said:
I'm the one with a low IQ?

Wisconsin set the stage for their success by winning a Rose Bowl and finishing ranked 5th/6th in his Alvarez's 4th year. The Gophers have never been ranked in the AP or Coaches poll or beaten a top 20 team in Kill/Claeys 6 years.

Anyways as I've said before this argument is pointless until after the next 3 games.
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The Gophers were ranked in the AP, Coaches, and CFP polls multiple times over multiple seasons during Kill's tenure.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I would agree 100% with you if Kill were still here. I also think the Gophers would be 8-1 or 9-0 if he was still the coach. This was the year that had been circled by Kill and staff as our 10-11 win Iowa/Wisconsin breakout year. Claeys mentioned as much before the season, and he can still get there.

Programs can't be turned around overnight. But the program changing coaches usually do have that big breakout season in the first 4 or 5 years. Alvarez had one bad season, the 2nd season after that first Rose Bowl year. But being able to sell his next two recruiting classes that he won a Rose Bowl, led them back to 2 more Rose Bowl wins when those classes were Jrs/Srs.

Ferentz went 1-11 his first year at Iowa, then won 11 games and the Orange Bowl his 4th year and followed it up with 10 win seasons the next two years. Those Iowa/Wisconsin teams were just as bad as the Gophers were when Kill took over.

We're back to Mason like success now. Mason had 10 seasons to breakthrough the mediocrity and never did. Coyle will have to decide after the next 3 games if Claeys is going to be our breakthrough coach, or if he's a coach that will sustain mediocrity or possibly lead to another decline. If Claeys wins all 3 or loses all 3, I think it's an easy decision. If they fall somewhere in the middle, I don't think anyone has any idea what will happen.
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aight you see we dont disagree on as much as we probably thought you're reasonable (and not low iq i promise that was mean i take it back).

we are clearly not a cellar dweller team anymore - ill take a mid tier B1G team for the time being. the goal for the next 5 years in terms of raw wins should be north of 40 - if we're averaging 8 wins a season during that time frame this program will have taken a step forward. oh, and of course getting the axe back is included in the *mandatory* department
 

PMWinSTP said:
Again...super selective. Ferentz has also basically averaged 7 wins as HC at IA. Mas averaged 6.5.
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And again no I'm not. Ferentz has won 10+ games 5 times and finished ranked in the top 10 all 5 times. 3 of those seasons were in Ferentz's first 6 years.

Not one Gopher coach has done that once in my lifetime.
 

dpodoll68 said:
The Gophers were ranked in the AP, Coaches, and CFP polls multiple times over multiple seasons during Kill's tenure.
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This. I don't expect someone to remember the exact rankings but you would think that someone who is enough of a Gopher fan to post on a message board would know this.
 

maroonfive said:
You also have to factor in the season ticket renewal rate for next year. The people that actually go to the games and pay the bills. There are a lot of us who are not happy.

Go Gophers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I would love it if you quit supporting the team


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Oregon Gopher said:
Please name one awe-inspiring coach that would take the job, is a great X/O guy, is a great recruiter, and thinks that being fired after going 8-4 after his first year is an alluring prospect.


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A winner Bobby, a winner. That's who.


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dpodoll68 said:
The Gophers were ranked in the AP, Coaches, and CFP polls multiple times over multiple seasons during Kill's tenure.
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You're right, I meant to say they never finished ranked, which hasn't happened since 03.
 

He has to win one more to keep his job, not two. Beat just ONE halfway decent team, that's all he has to do to keep his job. Not too much to ask. Just ONE more win against NEB/NW/WI, none of which are crap teams like every other team the Gophers have beaten this year. Do it or get fired. Pretty damn simple. There is an obvious reason the Gophers are not ranked despite being 7-2 and that is because EVERYONE knows that they have not beaten anybody with a pulse. Coyle knows it also.
 




Some Day...Is Coming! said:
A winner Bobby, a winner. That's who.


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Well you seem to have everything figured out so I must say I'm disappointed you can't enlighten us with who could lead us to the promised land. Or are you just a trolling tool?


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I tend to ignore Dan-B most of the time, every once in awhile when some one mentions some of the things he says, I amuse myself and picture what would happen if he tried his shtick south of the Mason-Dixon line. I don't think he believes half of what he says, he just stirring the pot, try stirring the pot like that where people aren't as laid back as here in MN would be making a fatal mistake. I just picture him swinging below a big old oak limb. If an Alabama fan is crazy enough to poison Auburn's oaks what would the do to someone trashing their team?
 

Well, it's a good thing the U doesn't allow radio hosts to make athletic department decisions....
 


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