Dabo: It's chaos right now. Tampering galore. Adults manipulating young men. Education is like the last thing right now.

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For God's sake, quit acting like this hasn't been the case in big time athletics for decades. This is and has been reality in college football and basketball since virtually the beginning. It's frankly hilarious that a guy like Dabo Swinney is all outraged at how dirty college football is. Quick heads up to everybody: Division I revenue sports are (and will continue to be) as corrupt and unethical as ever.
 

All for the players having the freedom to move about the country, but I do wonder how this is affecting graduation rates.

During my time at the U, transferring typically dropped about a year of academic progress / added a year of obligation simply through the registrar's office. Do that across 3 or 4 schools and it's hard to imagine even good students graduating on time.

Maybe they have a way of working it out for the athletes that the normal students don't get.
 

MRJ said:
For God's sake, quit acting like this hasn't been the case in big time athletics for decades. This is and has been reality in college football and basketball since virtually the beginning. It's frankly hilarious that a guy like Dabo Swinney is all outraged at how dirty college football is. Quick heads up to everybody: Division I revenue sports are (and will continue to be) as corrupt and unethical as ever.
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The main difference now is that more teams can play at these games than they could in the past. In the past it was reserved for the top handful of schools.

I actually think the transfer portal is a good thing for college football, but it has been a shame to see the way the NIL opportunity is already being abused at some places. That had the potential to be a good thing as well but has turned into something dirty where schools are basically finding ways to openly buy players under the guise of them getting NIL money.
 



Agree, although just about anybody with any knowledge of the NCAA and their past hypocrisy in this area could have predicted how this would go. It's just comical to see high profile coaches now complaining about how dirty the sport is.
 

fmlizard said:
All for the players having the freedom to move about the country, but I do wonder how this is affecting graduation rates.

During my time at the U, transferring typically dropped about a year of academic progress / added a year of obligation simply through the registrar's office. Do that across 3 or 4 schools and it's hard to imagine even good students graduating on time.

Maybe they have a way of working it out for the athletes that the normal students don't get.
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Yeah- it’s call cheating. That’s the way they work it out.
 

Plato said:
Dabo and education should never be in the same sentence.
NIL brings out in the open what some schools have done for decades.
It is not a level playing field but at least it is more transparent
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How else do some unnamed school football players pose with fancy cars and/or wads of cash on social media. This was long before NIL.
 



It’s really hard to take Dabo and these other coaches seriously when they get on their high horse about education and what’s good for the kids while they make $7+ million a year off them.
 

matt said:
It’s really hard to take Dabo and these other coaches seriously when they get on their high horse about education and what’s good for the kids while they make $7+ million a year off them.
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Exactly.
 

It's NEVER been about the education of these young men... it's always been a out making big-time bucks
 





It makes cheating a whole lot easier. We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg in terms of general skulduggery…and no sheriff in town. Even the NFL has rules in place to promote a more level playing field. I agree with Dabo. However, it’s clear he’s only speaking up because his recruiting class isn’t top 10 this year. Would he support an NCAA- enforced staff salary cap (with COLA) to disincentivize staff abandoning their recruits?
 

Pompous Elitist said:
It makes cheating a whole lot easier. We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg in terms of general skulduggery…and no sheriff in town. Even the NFL has rules in place to promote a more level playing field. I agree with Dabo. However, it’s clear he’s only speaking up because his recruiting class isn’t top 10 this year. Would he support an NCAA- enforced staff salary cap (with COLA) to disincentivize staff abandoning their recruits?
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What if it’s not actually cheating? “Tampering” and looking to provide a player on another team a new experience isn’t all bad. This might actually level the playing field.

Fleck sees a kid he wanted/familiar with on another programs depth chart and offers a chance because Fleck has a need. I don’t see a big problem. Academic credits can transfer.
 

Off-GridTNgopher said:
It's NEVER been about the education of these young men... it's always been a out making big-time bucks
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I think P.J. Fleck would beg to differ... I'm pretty sure education does matter to him. In fact, I don't believe he'll even try to recruit a player who's only interest in college is to play football, regardless of how many ***** are after their name... and I am more than good with that.
 

Dabo is worried about manipulation…

so he wants the rules made to suit himself….

Kind of sounds like the same thing.
 
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MaxyJR1 said:
What if it’s not actually cheating? “Tampering” and looking to provide a player on another team a new experience isn’t all bad. This might actually level the playing field.

Fleck sees a kid he wanted/familiar with on another programs depth chart and offers a chance because Fleck has a need. I don’t see a big problem. Academic credits can transfer.
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Well, it’s possible but what would happen if eg in the NFL there were unrestricted salaries and unrestricted free agency. I don’t know if that works. Maybe?

Should there be any restrictions on schools, players? Salary, eligibility, etc. This is the ultimate question. I see some very “progressive” people pushing for very libertarian policy that will eventually hurt college scholarship availability at many programs - and upward mobility, IMO. The current system has positives and some negatives.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Well, it’s possible but what would happen if eg in the NFL there were unrestricted salaries and unrestricted free agency. I don’t know if that works. Maybe?

Should there be any restrictions on schools, players? Salary, eligibility, etc. This is the ultimate question. I see some very “progressive” people pushing for very libertarian policy that will eventually hurt college scholarship availability at many programs - and upward mobility, IMO. The current system has positives and some negatives.
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Interesting points. I think the TX situation for lineman is just the beginning. If this is fine (similar to the Miami guy giving all players $500), what's stopping schools from lining up (obviously not "saying" they're doing this since that would be illegal) donors to increase their scholarship offer to end up being thousands of dollars over currently available scholarship money? Now you end up getting 50k extra to go to Bama where you just get a scholarship to MN. It's going to cause many athletic departments at lower level schools to re-evaluate their programs. Middling P5 teams will be fine due to TV money, but G5 teams are going to feel the crunch when their players get raided season after season with transfers and NIL offers.
 

Dabo and Clemson have ever only cared about one thing. Education.
 

The push for NIL was the result of bagmen getting cold feet after the IRS started indicating it was going to subpoena people. Major College athletics was going to be forced to either change itself or change the rules. Otherwise many of its athletes and benefactors would be going to jail for tax evasion. Amazingly, they successfully pulled-off the latter.

Now it’s the Wild West in college football. All the same criminals are involved as before, but now the bagmen can be more bold, and they are new legitimate bagmen (and they don’t even have to leave bags all over the place!).

If we’re being honest (and no one will be) Major “college” athletics ceased to exist in 2020. It formally became “semi-pro” in 2020, is only, and will only become more and more “professional”.
 


matt said:
Ahh, I see you graduated from the Tubby Smith School of Parenting.
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upnorthkid said:
Interesting points. I think the TX situation for lineman is just the beginning. If this is fine (similar to the Miami guy giving all players $500), what's stopping schools from lining up donors to increase their scholarship offer to end up being thousands of dollars over currently available scholarship money?
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Nothing. It is already happening at the most donor-rich schools. (Clemson is not one of these, btw)

Within 6-24 months if you’re on the roster of a P5 program you’ll probably be “making” at least 100k/season for it. That means school’s donors will have to come-up with an additional 5-10 Million/year ASAP.

Some schools’ donors will be slow to realize this and their teams will be horrible for several years as a result.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Well, it’s possible but what would happen if eg in the NFL there were unrestricted salaries and unrestricted free agency. I don’t know if that works. Maybe?

Should there be any restrictions on schools, players? Salary, eligibility, etc. This is the ultimate question. I see some very “progressive” people pushing for very libertarian policy that will eventually hurt college scholarship availability at many programs - and upward mobility, IMO. The current system has positives and some negatives.
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Unrestricted salaries and unrestricted free agency? There happens to be a name for that: It's called the free market. Supposedly, it works quite well... at least for some.

The truth is, all red-blooded, patriotic Americans love, love, love the free market — but only if it comes with certain limitations.

A big change has now occurred, and the free market has suddenly become more free.

But, somehow, when more freedom leads to people who had been at the bottom of the economic food chain getting an opportunity to make more money... well, we aren't always comfortable with that much freedom.

It's okay for the rich and powerful to buy politicians and rig the game in their own favor, in order to keep getting richer and more powerful — but maybe not so okay for people at the bottom of the ladder to move up a rung or two.
 

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