D.J. Durkin hiring shows coaches care more about each other than players


Durkin is clearly not the guy I would around the campus. People are drawn to him apparently as we clearly live in a toxic environment nationally.
 

Did the article really rip on Durkin for "fat shaming" college football players? That's a little much.
 

I thought I might agree until I saw it was a USA Today story...

After their op-ed talking about how terrifying it was church goers were armed after they stopped a gun man in his tracks, I'm done with that rag.

I'm sure Durkin feels terrible. But we do give folks a second chance. Maybe he can make the most of it.
 



What's the appropriate route for someone to make a living in their profession after making bad decisions? Is there a suitable path back or should they be subjected to seeking a new career outside of the public eye?
 

What's the appropriate route for someone to make a living in their profession after making bad decisions? Is there a suitable path back or should they be subjected to seeking a new career outside of the public eye?

it would be nice for some notables in the media to stand up and say well, here’s what actually happened, maybe there’s a sliiiight overreaction here...but everyone is chastened a little bit by Pitchfork Nation. It’s easier to acquiesce for some, some profit from sensationalism, and there are others that seem to really believe some of this stuff.

More and more in daily life our actual thought opinions go underground. It’s nice to have semi-anonymous boards like this to air alternate viewpoints. The truly free these days are people without anything to lose...eg retirees
 

Guys, Durkin's program was truly toxic. A head coach that allows his staff to treat his players as sub-humans should never be given another chance. It is not a simple mistake, it is fundamental lack of understanding how to motivate players and develop men. He is a sick person and should not be involved with shaping the lives of young men.

Here are just a few examples:

An initial ESPN report in August and others that followed noted that Court could be verbally and psychologically abusive, often using food as a reward, a punishment and a tool for humiliation. Among the new allegations levied by former players interviewed by The Post, many of which also were shared with commission investigators:
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●After a player on a weight-loss program had a poor weigh-in, staff members sat him in a chair and called together his teammates. Court poured snacks and Rice Krispie treats over the player, multiple ex-players said. “He was fat-shaming him,” said Donahue, the former lineman.
●Players say they were routinely pushed beyond their limits in workouts and then ridiculed for their struggles. “They would make a point to openly humiliate and embarrass you to the players around you and the coaches,” one ex-player said. “They also had video cameras. . . . Even if you were throwing up in a trash can, that would sort of be the highlight of their film — getting the camera as close as they could up to your face and videotaping you.”
●Two former players told of a 2016 weight-room incident in which a player was vomiting in a trash can following a workout. Court was speaking at the time and grew upset that he was interrupted. Court pushed the player into a refrigerator, screamed at him and tossed the trash can across the room. He then forced the player to clean the mess, the players said.
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●Injured players were sequestered from teammates in an gravelly area near the practice fields called “the Pit,” and Durkin referred to them as a “waste of life,” a phrase some players heard as degrading but another characterized as being said “in a joking way.”
A person close to Durkin said the coach told investigators that he had never called any player “a waste of life” and that “the Pit” wasn’t designed to punish injured players but rather was set up to provide a safe area for individualized workouts that were customized based on the constraints of their injuries.
●During meals and in the training room, players were shown graphic videos featuring loud music, violent imagery and animals killing each other. The videos were intended to motivate the players. “There would be videos of animals eating other animals, pulling them apart,” one player said. “Video segments of, like, zombies just pulling out the intestines of other people.”
“A predator attacking prey,” former wide receiver DeAndre Lane said. “Kind of just to get you in that mind-set: Attack, kill or be killed.”
When asked to comment, Maryland Athletic Director Damon Evans said in a statement Saturday: “These allegations, if true, are unacceptable. We will not tolerate any behavior that is detrimental to the mental or physical well-being of our student-athletes. When the commission completes its charge, we will act decisively and take all actions necessary to ensure the safety of our student-athletes.”
 

^^^
Does it ever cross your mind to question the source of the accusations? How much of this stuff was ever corroborated? We know one of the “whistleblowers” was the piece of work mom of the Daniels twins.


We don’t have context for any of that stuff, we don’t know the accusers, and none of it equates to killing a kid that by the schools account received poor medical care during his crisis, was on amphetamine salts for ADHD, was dehydrated, out of shape, overweight, and was working out on a relatively warm but not hot day on the first day of practice which is when these types of incidents tend to happen. It wasn’t too oppressive of a workout by most accounts.

Durkin does not have oversight or management of the medical/training staff. Ultimately the analysis showed the training staff screwed up, the kid died. It shouldn’t have happened, yep. In hindsight a lot of things would have been done differently.

Fair to accuse Durkin and his staff of old school or poor motivational technique. Not fair to say he worked the kid to death in some sort of callous fashion. Everyone is going to work to their limits at times it’s just the way it is. Certain schools have ended up with guys in the hospital after intense workouts. I don’t think their intent was to kill anyone.
 



Guys, Durkin's program was truly toxic. A head coach that allows his staff to treat his players as sub-humans should never be given another chance. It is not a simple mistake, it is fundamental lack of understanding how to motivate players and develop men. He is a sick person and should not be involved with shaping the lives of young men.

Here are just a few examples:

An initial ESPN report in August and others that followed noted that Court could be verbally and psychologically abusive, often using food as a reward, a punishment and a tool for humiliation. Among the new allegations levied by former players interviewed by The Post, many of which also were shared with commission investigators:
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●After a player on a weight-loss program had a poor weigh-in, staff members sat him in a chair and called together his teammates. Court poured snacks and Rice Krispie treats over the player, multiple ex-players said. “He was fat-shaming him,” said Donahue, the former lineman.
●Players say they were routinely pushed beyond their limits in workouts and then ridiculed for their struggles. “They would make a point to openly humiliate and embarrass you to the players around you and the coaches,” one ex-player said. “They also had video cameras. . . . Even if you were throwing up in a trash can, that would sort of be the highlight of their film — getting the camera as close as they could up to your face and videotaping you.”
●Two former players told of a 2016 weight-room incident in which a player was vomiting in a trash can following a workout. Court was speaking at the time and grew upset that he was interrupted. Court pushed the player into a refrigerator, screamed at him and tossed the trash can across the room. He then forced the player to clean the mess, the players said.
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●Injured players were sequestered from teammates in an gravelly area near the practice fields called “the Pit,” and Durkin referred to them as a “waste of life,” a phrase some players heard as degrading but another characterized as being said “in a joking way.”
A person close to Durkin said the coach told investigators that he had never called any player “a waste of life” and that “the Pit” wasn’t designed to punish injured players but rather was set up to provide a safe area for individualized workouts that were customized based on the constraints of their injuries.
●During meals and in the training room, players were shown graphic videos featuring loud music, violent imagery and animals killing each other. The videos were intended to motivate the players. “There would be videos of animals eating other animals, pulling them apart,” one player said. “Video segments of, like, zombies just pulling out the intestines of other people.”
“A predator attacking prey,” former wide receiver DeAndre Lane said. “Kind of just to get you in that mind-set: Attack, kill or be killed.”
When asked to comment, Maryland Athletic Director Damon Evans said in a statement Saturday: “These allegations, if true, are unacceptable. We will not tolerate any behavior that is detrimental to the mental or physical well-being of our student-athletes. When the commission completes its charge, we will act decisively and take all actions necessary to ensure the safety of our student-athletes.”
Yeah Durkin is more than a one time lapse in judgement.
 

And Durkin is allowed back into coaching? Unbelievable. Quite a contrast from the Gophers.
 

Waiting on some context for those accusations....do we have any? What is the other side of the story? Is there one out there?
 

^^^
Does it ever cross your mind to question the source of the accusations? How much of this stuff was ever corroborated? We know one of the “whistleblowers” was the piece of work mom of the Daniels twins.


We don’t have context for any of that stuff, we don’t know the accusers, and none of it equates to killing a kid that by the schools account received poor medical care during his crisis, was on amphetamine salts for ADHD, was dehydrated, out of shape, overweight, and was working out on a relatively warm but not hot day on the first day of practice which is when these types of incidents tend to happen. It wasn’t too oppressive of a workout by most accounts.

Durkin does not have oversight or management of the medical/training staff. Ultimately the analysis showed the training staff screwed up, the kid died. It shouldn’t have happened, yep. In hindsight a lot of things would have been done differently.

Fair to accuse Durkin and his staff of old school or poor motivational technique. Not fair to say he worked the kid to death in some sort of callous fashion. Everyone is going to work to their limits at times it’s just the way it is. Certain schools have ended up with guys in the hospital after intense workouts. I don’t think their intent was to kill anyone.
Did I once say he killed the player? He has obvious problems with how he treats his players. As HC he is responsible for everything that goes on in the program. The sick motivational techniques were not a one time thing, they happen repeatedly followed by numerous complaints. He knew exactly what was happening and endorsed by allowing it to take place. That lack of judgement is systemic to his personality and is not a minor mistake that can be fixed. It also lead to an atmosphere that mocked and ridiculed players that were exhausted and overworked. That directly contributed to not being aware of a player in dire need of help. It is ridiculous to suggest that the HC had no control over the other departments that serviced his program. The HC is top dog and if he tells the AD he has a problem with any other department abusing his player, they are Gone!
 



Even if he had multiple transgressions, if you aren't in jail, should you not be able to have a job?
Or just not one that is somewhat public?

I doubt him coaching a small high school would be more widely accepted.
 

Even if he had multiple transgressions, if you aren't in jail, should you not be able to have a job?
Or just not one that is somewhat public?

I doubt him coaching a small high school would be more widely accepted.

No, he made fun of a college football player's weight. He should never have another job again.
 

Even if he had multiple transgressions, if you aren't in jail, should you not be able to have a job?
Or just not one that is somewhat public?

I doubt him coaching a small high school would be more widely accepted.
Not one similar to a previous job you were fired from due to performance/behavior issues where similar problems can put others in danger.

Would you hire Casey Anthony to watch your children?
 

Not one similar to a previous job you were fired from due to performance/behavior issues where similar problems can put others in danger.

Would you hire Casey Anthony to watch your children?

That's a bit dramatic.

One of these people killed her toddler. The other person called a football player fat.
 

Even if he had multiple transgressions, if you aren't in jail, should you not be able to have a job?
Or just not one that is somewhat public?

I doubt him coaching a small high school would be more widely accepted.

I agree with Jordan McNair's parents. Durkin should never be allowed in the coaching business again. As a head coach, he is responsible for the well-being of the student athletes.

It is unbelievable that they were going to reinstate him until a huge public outcry erupted.

He and people under his responsibility cost University of Maryland big time.

Here are links to news following the Jordan McNair incident.

Don’t Forget Jordan McNair - The Ringer, By Tyler Tynes, January 10, 2019.

What we know about Jordan McNair’s death and Maryland football’s role in it - SBNation, By Alex Kirshner, October 31, 2018.

For Maryland, financial fallout from football player’s death could be tens of millions - Washington Post, By Roman Stubbs and Rick Maese, September 7, 2018.
 

It is very simple. When you are in charge of the football program, you are responsible for what happens within that program. This was not a one time incident where extenuating circumstances caused an accidental death. This was not an event that happened off campus, but one that occured in the course of football activities. This was a program that had a "culture" that was very oppressive/negative in how it treated players. Did Durkin personally kill this player...no. Was he ultimately responsible for his well being within the football program? Absolutely. He failed critically in this responsibility.

So what should Durkin be allowed to do within the sport that has been his career? That can be a difficult question to answer. However, there are people in all walks of life whose failures have not reached the level where a life was lost, who have had their career path taken from them for their failures within their profession. There is no greater failure than the loss of a life. I can say with certainty, I would not have him in charge of my son and his well being. I would think many parents would feel this way.

Could he be a position coach? Probably. You are not the person ultimately in charge of the culture of the program. You are under the leadership of someone overseeing you daily. Will opposing coaches use this against him in the recruiting battles that take place? Guaranteed.
 

That's a bit dramatic.

One of these people killed her toddler. The other person called a football player fat.

If you think Durkin's only fault in his running of the Maryland football program was calling a football player fat...no one can help you. The evidence is there to show he failed in his responsibility to care for the health of the players in his program.
 

That's a bit dramatic.

One of these people killed her toddler. The other person called a football player fat.
So we're ignoring the culture he created that contributed to one of his players overworking himself to the point that he died?

He clearly has a mindset that players should push themselves until they physically can't keep pushing. He should never be in a position where he can ruin an athlete's dreams and career if they don't do that. Players are so dedicated to football that they'll make stupid decisions to make coaches happy so teams need to hire coaches who aren't happy with players nearly killing themselves for the game. These weren't mistakes, this is his attitude and approach towards coaching.
 

So we're ignoring the culture he created that contributed to one of his players overworking himself to the point that he died?

He clearly has a mindset that players should push themselves until they physically can't keep pushing. He should never be in a position where he can ruin an athlete's dreams and career if they don't do that. Players are so dedicated to football that they'll make stupid decisions to make coaches happy so teams need to hire coaches who aren't happy with players nearly killing themselves for the game. These weren't mistakes, this is his attitude and approach towards coaching.

The one that was deemed "not toxic" by the independent investigation?

How is it clear to you that he has this mindset? What happened to Jordan McNair was tragic, but do you notice these articles like to brush over the details of that day? Instead, they talk about fat shaming and pictures of wild animals and zombies.

The day Jordan McNair passed away, the grueling training was 10 -110 yard sprints. McNair began cramping towards the end of them and teammates helped him finish the sprints. To me, and the independent investigation, that sounds like a lot of work but nothing outside of ordinary for two-a-days.

At that time, according to everyone, he was not showing signs of heat stroke until about an hour later. The U of Maryland's failures (and you can put some of this on Durkin) was that the medical personnel did not do a better job at noticing heat stroke. There isn't any evidence that these workouts were anything horrendous.

There is an unfortunate truth when it comes to these kinds of activities - - working out hard in the summer is dangerous. Especially for 300+ lbs men.

I know that USA Today and the NY Times haven't been reporting any of the facts of what happened to Jordan McNair, I know, shocking right? But it's out there. I suggest you read the events of that day, because that's what we're really talking about here.
 

It is very simple. When you are in charge of the football program, you are responsible for what happens within that program. This was not a one time incident where extenuating circumstances caused an accidental death. This was not an event that happened off campus, but one that occured in the course of football activities. This was a program that had a "culture" that was very oppressive/negative in how it treated players. Did Durkin personally kill this player...no. Was he ultimately responsible for his well being within the football program? Absolutely. He failed critically in this responsibility.

So what should Durkin be allowed to do within the sport that has been his career? That can be a difficult question to answer. However, there are people in all walks of life whose failures have not reached the level where a life was lost, who have had their career path taken from them for their failures within their profession. There is no greater failure than the loss of a life. I can say with certainty, I would not have him in charge of my son and his well being. I would think many parents would feel this way.

Could he be a position coach? Probably. You are not the person ultimately in charge of the culture of the program. You are under the leadership of someone overseeing you daily. Will opposing coaches use this against him in the recruiting battles that take place? Guaranteed.

Is Greg Schiano responsible for the Eric Lagrand being paralyzed? What about Dennis Green for the death of Korey Stringer?
 

I have not studied the situation intensely, but I have a hard time believing that Durkin didn't both know about and approve of the behavior and programming that the strength coach he hired, Court, was implementing.

From the comments in post #8, it truly sounds perverse. Again, those comments were mainly about the strength coach.

Is it possible that Court lied to Durkin about what he planned to do, and perhaps had gone off the deep end, and maybe if/when players complained Durkin just assumed they were being "soft" and didn't listen? Yes, that is possible. Just a bit hard to believe.


I see that Durkin was a high-level recruiter. Just wonder how he's going to be able to walk into a recruit's house and face down questions like "why should I allow you to even talk to, let alone coach my son, after what you allowed to happen in Maryland??"

As a father, that would be my first question to him. His answer would have to be pretty convincing for me to allow him in the door to my home.
 

It’s clear none of you have read the contents of the actual investigation or you wouldn’t be going off on these ludicrous tirades. Of course, those invested in sensationalism aren’t going to go to that well of information and share it with the angry mob, are they?

No, Durkin was 100% not responsible for the medical care (or lack thereof) given to a player that struggled through a normal, non-oppressive workout, entered a heat injury crisis likely exacerbated by a combination of poor acclimation, poor fitness, amphetamine medication, dehydration, and high body fat. Durkin has no oversight for the competence or training of the medical staff nor should he. It was an unfortunate cascade of events that shouldn’t have happened but the anger is totally misdirected.

The ESPN writer went on a mission after the fact to find dirt on the program and just about anything can be twisted out of context and portrayed as something with sinister intent. I’ve not personally seen enough evidence to totally believe the allegations and the investigation wasn’t able to find much that was far out of cultural norms.
 

PE, you're focusing all energy on the medical treatment of the player for heat stroke. That's fine. I don't believe that Durkin is to blame for that.

You're choosing to ignore the rest of the story, it seems. Including the strength staff either not being capable of recognizing the signs of heat stroke, or just deciding that this player was "soft" and trying to get out of working hard and therefore needed to be pushed harder. That part of it I think I do find credible to blame the strength coach for, at least partially. And then it gets back to how much of the strength coach's behavior and program can be blamed on Durkin. It is too far a bridge for me to cross to dismiss Durkin's involvement 100%, at that point.
 

PE, you're focusing all energy on the treatment of the player for heat stroke. That's fine. I don't believe that Durkin is to blame for that.

You're choosing to ignore the rest of the story, it seems.

Which is what? The investigation didn’t find much. Getting yelled at isn’t a crime. The slasher movie thing is sort of dumb, isn’t it? Guys don’t watch those anymore?

Kirby Smart and Saban, many others routinely eviscerate players and coaches on the sideline. Should they be banned from coaching? Gary Patterson, others have been accused of pushing players too hard and usually writen off as sour grapes from disgruntled players. Closer to home we’ve seen injured players put back on the field too soon. Lifetime ban?
 

Which is what? The investigation didn’t find much. Getting yelled at isn’t a crime.
Of course it didn't find anything worthy of criminal charges. No one here is talking that even Court, let alone Durkin, should be charged with a crime.

Think a little harder. I updated my post (26) after you started replying to it.
 

You think pushing a player to finish a workout is evidence of a toxic environment?

I‘d love someone yelling at me to finish my workouts...but I’m one of those always trying to exceed PRs.

Honestly, I’m not the one avoiding the known facts here. The burden is 100% on you guys to support your preposterous statements. I’m trying to guide you as gently as I know how to research the event and the investigation. Is it really worthy of a lifetime ban? This seems more like a philosophical difference than something to get really worked up about.
 

You think pushing a player to finish a workout is evidence of a toxic environment?
No, and I didn't say or imply that.

I'll give you one more chance to have an honest discussion. Please note, I'm not trying to change your mind, convince you that you're wrong and I'm right, etc. You don't need to react so hyper-defensively and be so biased.

It is possible to recognize that Durkin did something wrong, and still come down on the side that he deserves to be given a second chance at coaching.

You don't need to come out trying to convince people that Durkin is a saint.
 




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