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The CFP committee has to do the unpopular thing and exclude the SEC

Georgia and Alabama are clearly two of the best teams in the country. But neither should go to the College Football Playoff.
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....If we had a 12-team Playoff this year and simulated it 100 times, Alabama would hoist the trophy on at least 30 of those occasions.

This is the same Alabama team that lost to Texas, trailed by double digits at halftime to Tennessee, got dragged into an ugly, rainy slugfest against USF, needed Jimbo Fisher to shrink in big moments to survive Kyle Field, nearly coughed up a big lead against Arkansas and needed a miracle fourth-and-31 to survive a trip to Auburn.

And the Crimson Tide closed their season by beating Georgia, a team that probably wins that simulated 12-team Playoff 55 times out of 100.

But we don’t have a 12-team Playoff. And we can’t simulate it 100 times. We live in the real world where we’ve spent the last three months playing real games.

We have a four-team Playoff. And we have results.

Games have to matter. The committee proved last year that they do, taking TCU over an Alabama team that would have been favored by at least a touchdown against the Horned Frogs.

Georgia isn’t a conference champion — one of the listed criteria the committee considers. And it just lost to Alabama.

Alabama may end up being compared directly to Texas. Putting the Crimson Tide into the field over a team that dominated it on the line of scrimmage and beat it at home by double digits would be criminal.

And Florida State? That’s a more complicated question. It’s not worth belaboring the debate. Every team in contention for the Playoff is better equipped to compete in the Playoff than this Florida State team as currently composed, playing without star quarterback Jordan Travis and on Saturday, was left to third-stringer Brock Glenn.

But Florida State, who annually plays rival Florida and this year faced LSU and Heisman Trophy frontrunner Jayden Daniels in Orlando, navigates that minefield and goes unbeaten in the ACC, including a win over No. 14 Louisville on a neutral field on Saturday with Glenn at the helm.

Everyone involved in that program answered the call and continued to beat each opponent put in front of them despite difficult odds, misfortune and an injury that could have deflated their season.

And their reward should be getting passed over because 13 people believe an Alabama team that looked extremely flawed even at full strength for much of the season would beat them?

The Playoff field should be Michigan and Washington as obvious candidates, along with Texas and Florida State.....

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Florida State without the QB changes the calculus. People can't just fling out the phrase "FSU should be in" because what they are really saying is "FSU without the QB should be in." Right or wrong that was a huge factor. And that SEC and Big Ten are top dogs and going to get in for "tie" situations. During ties, the coin toss has SEC on one side and Big Ten on the other.
 

I don’t know I kind of think the opposite. I love our schedule for next year, USC here at home two weeks after Iowa et al. How cool. I hope PJ changes his best watching his nonsense offense and game strategy is about the only thing that could kill it for me going forward. The last month, month and a half of this season I only half paid attention to the games. It was just too painful.
 

SHGopher said:
theathletic.com

The CFP committee has to do the unpopular thing and exclude the SEC

Georgia and Alabama are clearly two of the best teams in the country. But neither should go to the College Football Playoff.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

....If we had a 12-team Playoff this year and simulated it 100 times, Alabama would hoist the trophy on at least 30 of those occasions.

This is the same Alabama team that lost to Texas, trailed by double digits at halftime to Tennessee, got dragged into an ugly, rainy slugfest against USF, needed Jimbo Fisher to shrink in big moments to survive Kyle Field, nearly coughed up a big lead against Arkansas and needed a miracle fourth-and-31 to survive a trip to Auburn.

And the Crimson Tide closed their season by beating Georgia, a team that probably wins that simulated 12-team Playoff 55 times out of 100.

But we don’t have a 12-team Playoff. And we can’t simulate it 100 times. We live in the real world where we’ve spent the last three months playing real games.

We have a four-team Playoff. And we have results.

Games have to matter. The committee proved last year that they do, taking TCU over an Alabama team that would have been favored by at least a touchdown against the Horned Frogs.

Georgia isn’t a conference champion — one of the listed criteria the committee considers. And it just lost to Alabama.

Alabama may end up being compared directly to Texas. Putting the Crimson Tide into the field over a team that dominated it on the line of scrimmage and beat it at home by double digits would be criminal.

And Florida State? That’s a more complicated question. It’s not worth belaboring the debate. Every team in contention for the Playoff is better equipped to compete in the Playoff than this Florida State team as currently composed, playing without star quarterback Jordan Travis and on Saturday, was left to third-stringer Brock Glenn.

But Florida State, who annually plays rival Florida and this year faced LSU and Heisman Trophy frontrunner Jayden Daniels in Orlando, navigates that minefield and goes unbeaten in the ACC, including a win over No. 14 Louisville on a neutral field on Saturday with Glenn at the helm.

Everyone involved in that program answered the call and continued to beat each opponent put in front of them despite difficult odds, misfortune and an injury that could have deflated their season.

And their reward should be getting passed over because 13 people believe an Alabama team that looked extremely flawed even at full strength for much of the season would beat them?

The Playoff field should be Michigan and Washington as obvious candidates, along with Texas and Florida State.....

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Florida State without the QB changes the calculus. People can't just fling out the phrase "FSU should be in" because what they are really saying is "FSU without the QB should be in." Right or wrong that was a huge factor. And that SEC and Big Ten are top dogs and going to get in for "tie" situations. During ties, the coin toss has SEC on one side and Big Ten on the other.
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They need to make it at least 16 teams if not 32 team playoffs. I have seen some interesting concepts of each that could easily be done. Getting more conference champs in and other teams normally wouldn't will only make the parity over years get better and better. Just like NCAA basketball 16 seed teams rarely win but ya never know and just that hope brings parity to those 16 seed teams and athletes. Over a few years, you will see more and more upsets. There have been some in the regular seasons already. They could have a consolation bracket side to they tourn and consolation bowl games mixed in to make sure each team has same number of scheduled games and practices to a certain point.
 

csom_1991 said:
I have to ask, what do you think the purpose of the college football playoffs are:
A.) To find the best team at the end of the season (regular season is no longer meaningful, it is just how good you are at the end of the season)?
B.) To find the best team over the course of the season (limited playoffs or in-season losses are meaningless)?
C.) To make more money by broadcasting more games?
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B. Which is why in a playoff tournament, you auto-bid all conference champions. Winning your conference needs to mean something like it does at all other levels of college football.
 

SHGopher said:
Florida State without the QB changes the calculus. People can't just fling out the phrase "FSU should be in" because what they are really saying is "FSU without the QB should be in." Right or wrong that was a huge factor. And that SEC and Big Ten are top dogs and going to get in for "tie" situations. During ties, the coin toss has SEC on one side and Big Ten on the other.
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Is this now the college QB playoffs? Is that all that matters? FSU has a better defense than Alabama, that doesn't matter?

Ohio St should have been left out in 2014-15 then since they were on their 3rd string QB. That would have meant the eventual national champion would have been left out of the playoff, no big deal though right?

Any justification to pick Alabama over FSU based on the season results is laughably stupid and wrong. And if we're not picking teams based on season results, then what's the point?
 


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SHGopher said:
theathletic.com

The CFP committee has to do the unpopular thing and exclude the SEC

Georgia and Alabama are clearly two of the best teams in the country. But neither should go to the College Football Playoff.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

....If we had a 12-team Playoff this year and simulated it 100 times, Alabama would hoist the trophy on at least 30 of those occasions.

This is the same Alabama team that lost to Texas, trailed by double digits at halftime to Tennessee, got dragged into an ugly, rainy slugfest against USF, needed Jimbo Fisher to shrink in big moments to survive Kyle Field, nearly coughed up a big lead against Arkansas and needed a miracle fourth-and-31 to survive a trip to Auburn.

And the Crimson Tide closed their season by beating Georgia, a team that probably wins that simulated 12-team Playoff 55 times out of 100.

But we don’t have a 12-team Playoff. And we can’t simulate it 100 times. We live in the real world where we’ve spent the last three months playing real games.

We have a four-team Playoff. And we have results.

Games have to matter. The committee proved last year that they do, taking TCU over an Alabama team that would have been favored by at least a touchdown against the Horned Frogs.

Georgia isn’t a conference champion — one of the listed criteria the committee considers. And it just lost to Alabama.

Alabama may end up being compared directly to Texas. Putting the Crimson Tide into the field over a team that dominated it on the line of scrimmage and beat it at home by double digits would be criminal.

And Florida State? That’s a more complicated question. It’s not worth belaboring the debate. Every team in contention for the Playoff is better equipped to compete in the Playoff than this Florida State team as currently composed, playing without star quarterback Jordan Travis and on Saturday, was left to third-stringer Brock Glenn.

But Florida State, who annually plays rival Florida and this year faced LSU and Heisman Trophy frontrunner Jayden Daniels in Orlando, navigates that minefield and goes unbeaten in the ACC, including a win over No. 14 Louisville on a neutral field on Saturday with Glenn at the helm.

Everyone involved in that program answered the call and continued to beat each opponent put in front of them despite difficult odds, misfortune and an injury that could have deflated their season.

And their reward should be getting passed over because 13 people believe an Alabama team that looked extremely flawed even at full strength for much of the season would beat them?

The Playoff field should be Michigan and Washington as obvious candidates, along with Texas and Florida State.....

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Florida State without the QB changes the calculus. People can't just fling out the phrase "FSU should be in" because what they are really saying is "FSU without the QB should be in." Right or wrong that was a huge factor. And that SEC and Big Ten are top dogs and going to get in for "tie" situations. During ties, the coin toss has SEC on one side and Big Ten on the other.
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Going to go ahead and say if it was a 12 team playoff and their model has Georgia and Bama winning 85/100 times it’s a pretty dumb model
 

Listen this isn't going to "kill" college football, but it is really frustrating. Like others have said, NIL makes it an unfair situation. Heck look at Oklahoma or Wazzu, they are losing their QBs because the OSU/USC of the world have promised more money.

The other "issue" is the loss of value in bowl games. 25 years ago it was a HUGE deal to go to a NYD bowl and win it, now seems like those are pointless and turn into 3rd string vs 3rd string games. Which basically means 85-90% of teams are playing for nothing all year. Outside of beating Iowa and Wisconsin really who cares for the Gophers. If we go 9-3 or 3-9 it's kind of the same end game. I'll still watch as I love college football but it is certainly frustrating.
 

College football is starting to feel like watching WWE wrestling. Sure you have your favorites that you hope win and its entertaining to watch but at the end of the day Vince McMahon is going to have someone sneak into the ring and smash your favorite wrestler over the back of the head with a chair causing a loss.

You are just going to have to boo, laugh at the insanity, and then watch hot chicks grab each other wearing next to nothing.
 




@disco there was a time in the late 90’s early 2000’s when schools like Nebraska and Miami were helmet schools!
 

@tmvander I don’t think I’ve see such an apt analogy.

Agreed 100%.

It was always Stone Cold, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, etc. when it came down to it.

What would Minnesota be in that analogy?? Owen Hart? :cry:
 

@btowngopher partnof that Insuspect is because when it was 2 then I believe the formula gave equal weight to the AP, Coaches, and a computer average?

Now it’s just a straight committee of humans in a back room.
 



I mean shoot, Alabama wasn’t always Alabama.

It’s really Nick Saban’s Alabama, at the moment.

Guy they installed who was willing to let the bagmen machine do anything it wanted. He has an army of dedicated guys down there who would rather set six-figures per year of their own wealth on fire, than give it to their kids, if it helps Bama win. As if that proves something about the state. That’s how F’ed up it is down there.

We can never compete with that.
 

MplsGopher said:
@tmvander I don’t think I’ve see such an apt analogy.

Agreed 100%.

It was always Stone Cold, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, etc. when it came down to it.

What would Minnesota be in that analogy?? Owen Hart? :cry:
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The gophers are like Randy the Ram in The Wrestler movie...they have no chance at a belt, no chance at a royal rumble, Vince McMahon has no idea who they are anymore. They live in a trailer, have a drug problem, and their children want nothing to do with them.
 


SHGopher said:
theathletic.com

The CFP committee has to do the unpopular thing and exclude the SEC

Georgia and Alabama are clearly two of the best teams in the country. But neither should go to the College Football Playoff.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

....If we had a 12-team Playoff this year and simulated it 100 times, Alabama would hoist the trophy on at least 30 of those occasions.

This is the same Alabama team that lost to Texas, trailed by double digits at halftime to Tennessee, got dragged into an ugly, rainy slugfest against USF, needed Jimbo Fisher to shrink in big moments to survive Kyle Field, nearly coughed up a big lead against Arkansas and needed a miracle fourth-and-31 to survive a trip to Auburn.

And the Crimson Tide closed their season by beating Georgia, a team that probably wins that simulated 12-team Playoff 55 times out of 100.

But we don’t have a 12-team Playoff. And we can’t simulate it 100 times. We live in the real world where we’ve spent the last three months playing real games.

We have a four-team Playoff. And we have results.

Games have to matter. The committee proved last year that they do, taking TCU over an Alabama team that would have been favored by at least a touchdown against the Horned Frogs.

Georgia isn’t a conference champion — one of the listed criteria the committee considers. And it just lost to Alabama.

Alabama may end up being compared directly to Texas. Putting the Crimson Tide into the field over a team that dominated it on the line of scrimmage and beat it at home by double digits would be criminal.

And Florida State? That’s a more complicated question. It’s not worth belaboring the debate. Every team in contention for the Playoff is better equipped to compete in the Playoff than this Florida State team as currently composed, playing without star quarterback Jordan Travis and on Saturday, was left to third-stringer Brock Glenn.

But Florida State, who annually plays rival Florida and this year faced LSU and Heisman Trophy frontrunner Jayden Daniels in Orlando, navigates that minefield and goes unbeaten in the ACC, including a win over No. 14 Louisville on a neutral field on Saturday with Glenn at the helm.

Everyone involved in that program answered the call and continued to beat each opponent put in front of them despite difficult odds, misfortune and an injury that could have deflated their season.

And their reward should be getting passed over because 13 people believe an Alabama team that looked extremely flawed even at full strength for much of the season would beat them?

The Playoff field should be Michigan and Washington as obvious candidates, along with Texas and Florida State.....

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Florida State without the QB changes the calculus. People can't just fling out the phrase "FSU should be in" because what they are really saying is "FSU without the QB should be in." Right or wrong that was a huge factor. And that SEC and Big Ten are top dogs and going to get in for "tie" situations. During ties, the coin toss has SEC on one side and Big Ten on the other.
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So Alabama losing a game to Texas doesn't matter in the calculus but a QB getting hurt (cause they are the only player that matters!111!) does? Head to head is worthless only injuries matter? What the heck is this Madden?

This is trying too hard to justify a dumb and illogical decision that was 100% based on money and recognition. If Alabama was on QB 3 it would never have changed the calculus.
 

Dave H said:
So Alabama losing a game to Texas doesn't matter in the calculus but a QB getting hurt (cause they are the only player that matters!111!) does? Head to head is worthless only injuries matter? What the heck is this Madden?

This is trying too hard to justify a dumb and illogical decision that was 100% based on money and recognition. If Alabama was on QB 3 it would never have changed the calculus.
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Exactly. I haven’t seen enough people make this point. But every single person in their right mind knows for a fact that if this exact same situation was reversed and Alabama was the team missing their quarterback, they would still make it.
 

Dave H said:
So Alabama losing a game to Texas doesn't matter in the calculus but a QB getting hurt (cause they are the only player that matters!111!) does? Head to head is worthless only injuries matter? What the heck is this Madden?

This is trying too hard to justify a dumb and illogical decision that was 100% based on money and recognition. If Alabama was on QB 3 it would never have changed the calculus.
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Well for Alabama he would be super good so it wouldn’t matter
 

Dave H said:
This is trying too hard to justify a dumb and illogical decision that was 100% based on money and recognition. If Alabama was on QB 3 it would never have changed the calculus.
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Ohio State won the natty with their 3rd string QB back in like 2014 or 15. He won 3 games....B1G Championship, Sugar Bowl and the CFP National Championship game....... The committee's cop out even contradicts themselves.
 




FSU loses

Bama vs Texas natty, Bama wins

Just to stick it to all the people screaming histrionics
 

SHGopher said:
If Florida State loses to Georgia, which they will and would lose to any team in the field, then this may die down.

But if FSU wins.... boy oh boy.


apnews.com

The Orange Bowl is for the snubbed. Florida State and Georgia will square off Dec. 30 ahead of CFP

Florida State won every game this season. Georgia won 29 in a row including back-to-back national championships, then lost by a field goal.
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I'm kinda hoping for Mich to win handily against Bama and for FSU to take down Georgia, just so that we have evidence that the wrong decision was made. If Georgia beats FSU and/or Bama wins it all, then the committee has some ground to stand on with their decision.
 

FSU is definitely joining the Big Ten now.
 

In the old days Washington and Michigan would just play in the Rose Bowl for the championship.

Today, Washington (a higher seed) has to play at a venue that is 5x further away from them than their lower seeded opponent who already lost to a team that has 2 losses to teams that are now unranked.

And they have managed to convince people the system got more “fair”. :ROFLMAO:
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I've previously held the optimistic approach that NIL and the transfer portal will eventually work itself out, and the elimination of the B1G West and conference expansion won't be as detrimental to the sport as others have continually complained about.

But it's now pointless to remain a fan of Minnesota, or a fan of any other similar school that's not a helmet school. It's pointless to continue to invest time and money to a program that has no chance of competing. It's not a university problem, it's not a PJ problem, it's a college football problem.

I don't have a problem with NIL, players should be able to capitalize on their likeness. But NIL isn't the issue, pay for play is the issue. It has always been an issue, but it has become 1,000 times worse over the last few years than it has been in the past. Until pay for play is regulated to a fair playing field, there is no chance for the Gophers.

If you think expanding the playoffs will give more opportunity to other schools to compete, or make championship season more interesting, it won't. It just makes the regular season less important, and the SEC will still be favored for the final spots. Instead of 1 loss SEC teams getting in to the final 4, it'll be 4 loss SEC teams getting in over other conference teams with better records. If Minnesota wins 10 games again in a season and it's between them and an 8 or 9 win SEC team to make the playoffs, the SEC team will be in every single time.

Kudos to the fans still willing to invest time and money into this. You're better than me. But as of today, I am done with college football until there are significant changes to pay for play, the transfer portal, and the SEC media/money bias.
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Are you a weak willed personal pronoun?
Addicted to CFB?
Addicted to me? YUCK

Couldn’t even make it a month with your original post starting this thread on 12/3/23 and you come crawling back, after this desperate plea for validation and ❤️. By posting in The Other Bowl Games Thread, you are no longer chaste, you saucy tart🥴

OR ARE YOU A MASTER OF DISASTER!!!
 
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I’ve never understood why all of this is JUST NOW making people say “being a fan of a team like us is pointless cause we have no chance of competing for a national championship”



….has it not been that way for a long time?
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
Are you a weak willed personal pronoun?
Addicted to CFB?
Addicted to me? YUCK

Couldn’t even make it a month with your original post starting this thread on 12/3/23 and you come crawling back, after this desperate plea for validation and ❤️. By posting in The Other Bowl Games Thread, you are no longer chaste, you saucy tart🥴

OR ARE YOU A MASTER OF DISASTER!!!
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You truly are some weirdo stalker. I wasn't even watching the game but knew Beanie didn't return punts earlier this season. Find something better to do with your life.
 

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