CoachScoop: Tim Brewster expected to be named FSU tight ends coach

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TREMENDOUS! GET THAT CHILI HOT! :)

Seriously though, congrats to Coach Brew, if true.
 

Anyone else find it somewhat funny that Brew has been taking WR/TE coaching jobs in college while Jedd Fisch is the OC for the Jacksonville Jaguars? I think Brewster's skill set works better at the college level (i.e. recruiting) and Fisch was an NFL guy, but it appears Fisch's career trajectory is much higher than his former boss'.
 

Mayne Street said:
Anyone else find it somewhat funny that Brew has been taking WR/TE coaching jobs in college while Jedd Fisch is the OC for the Jacksonville Jaguars? I think Brewster's skill set works better at the college level (i.e. recruiting) and Fisch was an NFL guy, but it appears Fisch's career trajectory is much higher than his former boss'.
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Brewster already did the NFL thing. My guess is he likes college better, because he likes recruiting and working with the players in college.
 

He is a career position coach.

Being a good recruiter is becoming more and more important especially with the NCAA deregulation of contact rules.

He'll get paid some good coin the rest of his coaching days but I don't see him being a coordinator.
 


He is not hungry or starving. He has a great product to sell there and should do great. "Playmakers. Where's my playmakers?"
 

Just think it's odd that he would move after getting what appeared to be a promotion at Miss St. Maybe a position coach at FSU makes more than a position coach/assistant head coach at Miss St.?
 

Lakeville Goldy said:
Just think it's odd that he would move after getting what appeared to be a promotion at Miss St. Maybe a position coach at FSU makes more than a position coach/assistant head coach at Miss St.?
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Adding Asst Head Coach to a position coaches title is a dodge to justify paying a higher then normal salary for a position coach. I'm starting to see position coaches, that are great recruiters getting additional titles, but it's a reward for recruiting and not an actual promotion.
 

I'm shocked. When he was hired at Miss. St. Brew made it clear that Dan Mullen was the greatest college football coach who has ever lived.
 



Mayne Street said:
Anyone else find it somewhat funny that Brew has been taking WR/TE coaching jobs in college while Jedd Fisch is the OC for the Jacksonville Jaguars? I think Brewster's skill set works better at the college level (i.e. recruiting) and Fisch was an NFL guy, but it appears Fisch's career trajectory is much higher than his former boss'.
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I don't think anybody ever accused Brewster of being an Xs and Os mastermind, even as he was being introduced as head coach. I have to get in the mind of Maturi here (uh-oh), but I remember having the impression that Brewster was hired to be the face and salesman of the program, and experienced coordinators would be hired to run the offense and defense. Brewster would manage the game and staff.

It's not at all surprising to me that he hasn't returned as a coordinator, because that was never his strength. And now that he has failed as a head coach, there aren't many other options available to him -- at least, not at the D-1 level.
 



Brew would be a borderline HOF college coach (exageration but you get my point), if he were hired as a head coach at a program like Wisconsin with a AD like Alvarez. Brew would be the face of the program and his strengths would be hilighted (getting players). BA would procur the coordinators.

Or as a Asst head coach at Pittsburgh were Paul Cryst is a offensive master mind but has never squashed the rumors that he is actually dead (ie extreme introvert).
 



Glenn Mason could never be considered an offensive genius (especially in the second half). And I am guessing he spent almost zero time with the defensive coaches and players. Mason was the CEO of the Gophers teams. The less he involved himself with the actual game decisions the better the Gophers did.

Tim Brewster's days as being a DI head coach are not over. Brewster can exceed Mason's level of competence at the DI level by doing it the same way and by being a significantly better recruiter. The next time he gets the opportunity he will make better decisions than he did with the Gophers, he won't be sucked into running a certain offense based on who his offensive coordinator is rather than on the skill sets of the players. And, needless to say, he won't be talking about going to the Rose Bowl or any other bowl game.
 

If Brewster could have found a way to keep the same coaching staff every season, then perhaps the experiment could have actually worked. A revolving door at any management level does not do well to solidify a program or business. In the long run it would have come down to actually teaching the players discipline, which is where I think Brewster really lacks in his skill set.
 


Gopherdrummer said:
If Brewster could have found a way to keep the same coaching staff every season, then perhaps the experiment could have actually worked. A revolving door at any management level does not do well to solidify a program or business. In the long run it would have come down to actually teaching the players discipline, which is where I think Brewster really lacks in his skill set.
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Yeah, I heard Barrero (spelling) and Gaard having a hissy fit about Brew getting a job at FSU. Their obsession with him is a bit peculiar.

It's not surprising to anyone that follows college football. He was in over his head here but he has done a nice job wherever he's gone. He's as much of an X's and O's guy as most assistant coaches and he'll probably continue to make a lot of money as an assistant coach until someone takes another chance on him. Like or not, he's a hot commodity in college football.

As far as Fisch, well, he's done a nice job everywhere he's gone but here. It didn't really work out here and people loved to blame him for Adam Weber having a terrible junior season, but he did a really nice at Miami. He has a lot of pro connections, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that his career is going well. He's been successful.
 

TB missed his chance to play the bounce pass against WI. TB was on the field that day when WI did it and needed to pay it back for good ol rivalry.
 

Go4Broke said:
Glenn Mason could never be considered an offensive genius (especially in the second half). And I am guessing he spent almost zero time with the defensive coaches and players. Mason was the CEO of the Gophers teams. The less he involved himself with the actual game decisions the better the Gophers did.

Tim Brewster's days as being a DI head coach are not over. Brewster can exceed Mason's level of competence at the DI level by doing it the same way and by being a significantly better recruiter. The next time he gets the opportunity he will make better decisions than he did with the Gophers, he won't be sucked into running a certain offense based on who his offensive coordinator is rather than on the skill sets of the players. And, needless to say, he won't be talking about going to the Rose Bowl or any other bowl game.
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Why do we think Brewster was such a good recruiter? Old mother hubbard left Kill with nothing in the cupboard. Wasn't one of the big reasons we were ok with Kill going 3-9 his first year that we had to wait for Kill to replace the Brewster recruits?
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Why do we think Brewster was such a good recruiter? Old mother hubbard left Kill with nothing in the cupboard. Wasn't one of the big reasons we were ok with Kill going 3-9 his first year that we had to wait for Kill to replace the Brewster recruits?
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For being here only 4 years there have been more than a few Brew recruits who have had a cup of coffee in the NFL. Kill recruits? Last seasons bowl team consisted primarily of Brew players.

The belief by some is that it took Kill to coach them up but I don't believe the majority of folks are unhappy with the overall talent level of Brew recruits.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Why do we think Brewster was such a good recruiter? Old mother hubbard left Kill with nothing in the cupboard. Wasn't one of the big reasons we were ok with Kill going 3-9 his first year that we had to wait for Kill to replace the Brewster recruits?
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No, people were okay with him because he wasn't Brewster. Add to Kill telling everybody in sight that first few weeks how awful the talent was and it made it pretty easy. Even when Claeys rightly took the blame for not being aggressive enough on Defense in the First Half of BOTH losses against New Mexico State and NDSU people ignored that to instead say "NO it was Brewster's players. They're all useless!!" Looking at the performance of the team in the 2nd Half of those games Claeys was right. Didn't matter, easier to still blame Brewster.

The Offense this year was beyond awful. Not much talent, tons of injuries and no results. They scored 14 or less 7 times in their 9 BCS games. They would have been LUCKY to get 4 wins out of that bunch. The Defense took that team to 6 wins. Now how would that Defense have looked last year without Troy, D.L., Hageman, Carter and even Cooper? All Brewster recruits. Good coaching plus talent led to a solid, if WAY overworked Defense.

Lack of talent and _____ coaching led to a mediocre Offense up until that Texas Tech game.

Wonder if Brewster will still be blamed if and when they throw Kill out of here too?
 

Good Question!

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Why do we think Brewster was such a good recruiter? Old mother hubbard left Kill with nothing in the cupboard. Wasn't one of the big reasons we were ok with Kill going 3-9 his first year that we had to wait for Kill to replace the Brewster recruits?
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Personally, I think there are two reasons for that. The first is revisionist history and the second is different definitions of recruiting.

As far as revisionist history part it seems to me that many people here have short memories when it comes to how they felt about Brewster when he was here. Now that he is gone, many people are now able to let go of their very negative feelings towards him. Forgiveness is good. To help in this process some people are trying to recognize the positives about Brewster. This includes saying yea he was in over his head but he was a good recruiter as if this were a given. This feels so much better than continuing to demonizing him.

The problem with that is that he wasn't a good recruiter if you define recruiting being more than salesmanship. To simplify a complex topic he was focused too much on stars and not enough on recruiting athletes that would be good citizens, team players, and meeting the needs of the systems he was installing. Just go back and look at how many of his players didn't stay here for four years. Next go back and look at how many of Kill players are still here and whether they are contributing or likely to contribute in the future. Big difference between Brewster and Kill. Yes, Brewster is an excellent salesman but he is not a recruiter. Joe Maturi found that out also.
 

Killjoy said:
Personally, I think there are two reasons for that. The first is revisionist history and the second is different definitions of what recruiting is.

As far as revisionist history it seems that many people here have short memories how they felt about Brewster when he was here. Now that he is gone many are able to let go of their very negative feelings towards Brewster. Forgiveness is good. One way of doing this is to recognize the positives about Brewster. Thus people are now saying yea he was in over his head but he was a good recruiter. That feels so much better than continuing to demonizing him.

The problem with that is that he wasn't a good recruiter if you define recruiting being more than salesmanship. To simplify a complex topic he was focused too much on stars and not enough on recruiting athletes that would be good citizens, team players, and meeting the needs of the systems he was installing. Just go back and look at how many of his players didn't stay here for four years. Then go back and then look at how many of Kill players are still here and are also contributing or likely to contribute in the future. Salesman yes, recruiter no!
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Wow. Nicely done Killjoy! I couldn't have said it better.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
Brew would be a borderline HOF college coach (exageration but you get my point), if he were hired as a head coach at a program like Wisconsin with a AD like Alvarez. Brew would be the face of the program and his strengths would be hilighted (getting players). BA would procur the coordinators.

Or as a Asst head coach at Pittsburgh were Paul Cryst is a offensive master mind but has never squashed the rumors that he is actually dead (ie extreme introvert).
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I don't think this is that far off.

Like in any business or walk of life, success is derived largely from surrounding yourself with good people. You'll never convince me that BB is anything but a complete buffoon, but the guy (with Barry's help) surrounded himself with really, REALLY good people. It makes the difference. I have no clue if Jerry Kill is a great coach or not, but I BELIEVE that he will be successful with the Gophers because he's done it before, he's done it with largely the same people, and from the results it appears that he's surrounded himself with good people.

A Head Coach is essentially an administrator; lead people, inspire people, and clear away the obstacles for your staff and troops to do their job most effectively. Brewster can be successful as a HC in the near future; if given the opportunity again, he won't make the same mistakes. He'll HAVE a staff identified of people that he's worked with and with which he's been successful, with whom he shares the same vision, rather than assembling a "Dream Team" of coaches plucked from various programs across the country.
 

Killjoy said:
Yes, Brewster is an excellent salesman but he is not a recruiter.
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I think the head coaches at Mississippi State and Florida State have a slightly different opinion about Tim Brewster's recruiting skills. There is going to be a time when Brewster's record as a D-1 head coach is going to make many of his haters in GopherHole look very foolish and also make more than a few of us wish he was still our coach. Success in D-1 football is 80% recruiting. I believe it was Glenn Mason who said that.
 

Go4Broke said:
There is going to be a time when Brewster's record as a D-1 head coach is going to make many of his haters in GopherHole look very foolish and also make more than a few of us wish he was still our coach.
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I see this mentioned a lot and I'm not sure how realistic it is. He's 52 and still has zero coordinator experience. Now, does someone take a chance on him based on the fact that he has been a head coach? Maybe, but it hasn't happened yet and his name hasn't really been mentioned very often when openings do occur. Also, what makes you so sure he'd be successful if given the chance? Was his final season here laden with signs of progress, as far as his coaching acumen is concerned?
 

Go4Broke said:
I think the coaches at Mississippi State and Florida State have a slightly different opinion about Tim Brewster's recruiting skills. There is going to be a time when Brewster's record as a D-1 head coach is going to make many of his haters in GopherHole look very foolish and also make more than a few of us wish he was still our coach. Success in D-1 football is 80% recruiting. I believe it was Glenn Mason who said that.
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I was just saying that to one of his former players.
 

I think it depends on how badly he wants to be a head coach again. He seems to be a well-regarded position coach, and that isn't a bad career. If he got another head coaching job, it probably wouldn't be at a BCS school. It might be the case that he made his rookie mistakes with Minnesota, and would do well as a HC somewhere else. Or he get another HC job and fail at that.
 


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