CoachScoop: Tim Brewster expected to be named FSU tight ends coach

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I was alluding to this.

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Go4Broke said:
I think the head coaches at Mississippi State and Florida State have a slightly different opinion about Tim Brewster's recruiting skills. There is going to be a time when Brewster's record as a D-1 head coach is going to make many of his haters in GopherHole look very foolish and also make more than a few of us wish he was still our coach. Success in D-1 football is 80% recruiting. I believe it was Glenn Mason who said that.
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Thus far, Brewster's record as a head coach is as follows:
(1) he took a 6 win team from the season before he took over and piloted them to 1-11.
(2) he rode mostly Mason players to back-to-back Insight Bowl losses while winning zero trophies and only one game against a ranked opponent.
(3) when he had only one class of Mason players left, he got us off to a 1-6 start with embarrassing out of conference losses that left us wondering if we would even win a conference game (and that was the season when he had a team of mostly Brewster recruits).

If Brewster was a good recruiter, I would have expected his teams to improve year to year, not drop off when he got most of his guys in the door. I like what Killjoy said about Brewster judging recruiting based solely on stars. Maybe Brewster is a great salesman, and when a head coach points to a player he wants for the system, Brewster can do a good job of closing the deal with that player. But when it came to him picking the players it would take to make a winning team, he failed miserably.
 

Yep, a lot of history re-writing going on around here. Did a bad job as Head Coach and didn't fill the U up with big time players. However Brewster didn't get anybody who could play? The ones he did were criminals or who would never graduate? Waiting for some one to say he was responsible for 9/11 or Hurricane Sandy too.

From ESPN B1G blog.

"FredCox from Minnesota writes: No D.L. Wilhite? Oh, well...I'm gonna wager there will be 2-3 Gophers on this list (impact players) next year, do you agree?

Adam Rittenberg: It's certainly possible, Fred. Gophers defensive tackle Ra'Shede Hageman certainly is on our radar entering the 2013 season. If he plays to his potential, he'll have a great chance to make the postseason top 25. Aside from Hageman, though, Minnesota doesn't have too many obvious potential stars. If quarterback Philip Nelson builds off of his bowl performance, he'll be a player to watch. The Gophers need more difference-makers at the offensive skill spots, and they lose two big pieces in the secondary with Michael Carter and Troy Stoudermire. The biggest reason to think Minnesota will have more representation is Jerry Kill's track record in Year 3 of his previous coaching stops. His teams typically make big strides. "
 

Iceland12 said:
Yep, a lot of history re-writing going on around here. Did a bad job as Head Coach and didn't fill the U up with big time players. However Brewster didn't get anybody who could play? The ones he did were criminals or who would never graduate? Waiting for some one to say he was responsible for 9/11 or Hurricane Sandy too.

From ESPN B1G blog.

"FredCox from Minnesota writes: No D.L. Wilhite? Oh, well...I'm gonna wager there will be 2-3 Gophers on this list (impact players) next year, do you agree?

Adam Rittenberg: It's certainly possible, Fred. Gophers defensive tackle Ra'Shede Hageman certainly is on our radar entering the 2013 season. If he plays to his potential, he'll have a great chance to make the postseason top 25. Aside from Hageman, though, Minnesota doesn't have too many obvious potential stars. If quarterback Philip Nelson builds off of his bowl performance, he'll be a player to watch. The Gophers need more difference-makers at the offensive skill spots, and they lose two big pieces in the secondary with Michael Carter and Troy Stoudermire. The biggest reason to think Minnesota will have more representation is Jerry Kill's track record in Year 3 of his previous coaching stops. His teams typically make big strides. "
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With the secondary only returning one starter at the position they played last season, two new linebackers who couldn't beat out the ones who started last season and new defensive lineman...who couldn't beat out the ones who started last season, a Big Ten that HAS to be better than last season. I think Jerry should be named coach of the year if he wins more games than they lose. As it is, I believe he will be under extreme pressure going into the 2014 season and don't see any year 3 upgrade.

For the record, I think he should be the coach for a minimum 5 years.
 


bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Thus far, Brewster's record as a head coach is as follows:
(1) he took a 6 win team from the season before he took over and piloted them to 1-11.
(2) he rode mostly Mason players to back-to-back Insight Bowl losses while winning zero trophies and only one game against a ranked opponent.
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So in one sentence, it's Brewster's fault even though he was playing with virtually all Mason recruits. But then in the next sentence, Brewster shouldn't get much credit because it was mostly Mason's guys. If Brewster deserves little credit for making it to two bowl games, then you can't put much blame on him for the one win season.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
two new linebackers who couldn't beat out the ones who started last season
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It would've been tough for them to beat out last year's starters, given that they were playing elsewhere last season.
 


Sportsfan24 said:
two new linebackers who couldn't beat out the ones who started last season and new defensive lineman...who couldn't beat out the ones who started last season
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Lord knows a winter full of conditioning, spring practice, a summer full of conditioning and a fall training camp will have zero impact on the abilities/talent of new starters.

Good thing your son was a starter from day one of fall camp in 2006 in Madison or else he never would've developed into one of the better safeties in the Big Ten when a Gopher.
 



Maximus said:
Lord knows a winter full of conditioning, spring practice, a summer full of conditioning and a fall training camp will have zero impact on the abilities/talent of new starters.

Good thing your son was a starter from day one of fall camp in 2006 in Madison or else he never would've developed into one of the better safeties in the Big Ten when a Gopher.
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All true points (not my son but players improving), or it could be they had nobody better. The truth I'm sure lies somewhere in between, I was just pointing out that coach Kill has a tough job and like all coaches deserves time to build a program.
 

GophersInIowa said:
So in one sentence, it's Brewster's fault even though he was playing with virtually all Mason recruits. But then in the next sentence, Brewster shouldn't get much credit because it was mostly Mason's guys. If Brewster deserves little credit for making it to two bowl games, then you can't put much blame on him for the one win season.
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I don't think it is preposterous to suggest that Brewster inherited personnel that were capable of 6 or 7 wins (with a mediocre coach like Mason), that Brewster's first year coaching was so bad that he drove those 6 or 7 win players to a 1-11 season, that after a year of learning what he was doing, he was able to get that 6 or 7 win personnel to win 7 games one year and 6 the next.

You may not agree that that is what happened (obviously these are all subjective assessments), but I don't think it is mutually exclusive to suggest that Brewster undercoached Mason's recruits in year 1 and that he improved his coaching enough to be able to ride those recruits to mediocrity in years 2 and 3.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
I don't think it is preposterous to suggest that Brewster inherited personnel that were capable of 6 or 7 wins (with a mediocre coach like Mason), that Brewster's first year coaching was so bad that he drove those 6 or 7 win players to a 1-11 season, that after a year of learning what he was doing, he was able to get that 6 or 7 win personnel to win 7 games one year and 6 the next.

You may not agree that that is what happened (obviously these are all subjective assessments), but I don't think it is mutually exclusive to suggest that Brewster undercoached Mason's recruits in year 1 and that he improved his coaching enough to be able to ride those recruits to mediocrity in years 2 and 3.
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Let's take a look at the 2007 season and the stalwart recruiting classes Mason left Brewster.

In Brewster's first year in 2007 at various times he was forced to play six (6) true freshman and three (3) red shirt freshman who each were in the starting line-up for a minimum of 5 games and as many as 12 games. Furthermore, 7 of the 9 freshman players who had never before been on a college football field were in the starting line-up at one of the following positions during 2007:

- Quarterback
- Running Back
- Wide Receiver
- Defensive Back

2007 Recruits who started games in 2007 (out of 24)

- Duane Bennett (Fr) (7 games)
- Ryan Collado (Fr) (9 games)
- Tray Herndon (Fr) (7 games)
- Ralph Spry (Fr) (6 games)
- Kyle Theret (Fr) (6 games)
- Curtis Thomas Fr) (5 games)


Brewster also played 11 sophomores who each started at least 1 game for the Gophers in 2007. It is particularly interesting to focus on Mason's 2005 recruiting class and its contribution to the 2007 Gopher season.

2005 Recruits who started games in 2007 (out of 20)

- Steve Davis (Jr) (8 games)
- Eric Decker (RS So) (12 games)
- Ryan Ruckdashel (RS So) (2 games)
- Ned Tavale (RS So) (7 games)
- Jay Thomas (RS So) (1 game)


I am still looking for the "veteran offensive line" that formed the backbone of the team that Mason left to Brewster. I can't seem to find it anywhere. All I can find is:

- Tony Brinkhaus (Sr - 12 games)
- Steve Shidell (Sr - 1 game)
- Matt DeGeest (RS Jr - 7 games)
- Ned Tavale (RS So - 7 games)
- Ryan Ruckdashel (RS So - 2 games)
- Jeff Tow-Arnett (RS So - 1 game)
- DJ Burris (RS Fr - 11 games)
- Dominic Alford (RS Fr - 5 games)

The thing that should stand out for most fans is the fact a true freshman from Colorado with no other Division I offers of any kind (and presumably no interest from any other teams) started 6 games and was anchoring the Gopher's defensive backfield at the end of the season. You all know his name - Kyle Theret. A slow and under-sized safety with limited coverage skills or ability. He had a ton of heart but very little else to recommend that he should be starting against Big 10 offenses as a true freshman.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
It's not surprising to anyone that follows college football. He was in over his head here but he has done a nice job wherever he's gone.
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Now I have heard everything. Brew did a nice job at Minnesota? I must have missed something.
 



Sumtimegophs said:
Now I have heard everything. Brew did a nice job at Minnesota? I must have missed something.
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Yeah you did. He said He was in over his head here. Looks like he meant he's done a nice job everywhere else.
 





Since I live in Tallahassee it will be interesting to follow Brew and his tight end group this year. FSU started spring practice today.
 

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