Coach Claeys Job Security Poll post Purdue

Coach Claeys Job Security Post Purdue

  • 100 - Completely Safe

    Votes: 42 27.8%

  • 90 - Safe

    Votes: 27 17.9%

  • 80 - Probably safe

    Votes: 45 29.8%

  • 70 - Less Safe

    Votes: 8 5.3%

  • 60 - Seat is Warm

    Votes: 14 9.3%

  • 50 - Seat is Hot

    Votes: 6 4.0%

  • 40 - Seat is Red Hot

    Votes: 4 2.6%

  • 30 or below - May need to win out to retain job

    Votes: 5 3.3%
  • Total voters
    151
  • Poll closed .
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gopherhoopsguy said:
No chance he is fired! Do we have the dumbest fans in college football? Probably
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Depends on how you count it. As a % of fans the dumbest, hard to know.

Sheer volume of dumb fans, that has to go to the most successful teams who pick up a lot of late comers who are crazy. We're not good enough to get those numbers yet. It would be kinda nice to have that many dumb fans as that would mean we're pretty good.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Kill retired October 28th. Claeys was the coach from Michigan onward, interim tag or not. Semantics. If he had beat Michigan and Ohio State would he get the credit. Ummbetcha!

So yes, 5-7 as the head guy. All that changed was his salary.
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Kill announced an official leave of absence after the Michigan game in 2013. Does Claeys get credit for that year's four game win streak?
 

Maximus said:
Kill announced an official leave of absence after the Michigan game in 2013. Does Claeys get credit for that year's four game win streak?
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This is a good point, but the difference is that Kill was still employed and drawing a salary throughout 2013. Claeys was acting head coach, not interim head coach. He became interim head coach on October 28, effective after Kill's resignation. Kill was no longer employed and no longer drawing a salary. For whatever it's worth, his official bio on the Gopher football website (http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tracy_claeys_759707.html) has him credited with a 2-4 record for 2015 - that would be 1-4 in the Big Ten and 1-0 in the bowl game. So that would make his official head coaching record 9-6 (5-6). So 5-6 in the Big Ten, not 5-7. I'm not sure why PE is trying to saddle him with the Nebraska loss, as that would be nonsensical.
 

Maximus said:
Kill announced an official leave of absence after the Michigan game in 2013. Does Claeys get credit for that year's four game win streak?
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I would give him partial credit. i would also say the team played pretty well under him in 2015 as well even though Ls resulted due to tough competition. Are you suggesting Claeys gets no credit for 2015 since Kill was still around the building/not really his program?
 

dpodoll68 said:
This is a good point, but the difference is that Kill was still employed and drawing a salary throughout 2013. Claeys was acting head coach, not interim head coach. He became interim head coach on October 28, effective after Kill's resignation. Kill was no longer employed and no longer drawing a salary. For whatever it's worth, his official bio on the Gopher football website (http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tracy_claeys_759707.html) has him credited with a 2-4 record for 2015 - that would be 1-4 in the Big Ten and 1-0 in the bowl game. So that would make his official head coaching record 9-6 (5-6). So 5-6 in the Big Ten, not 5-7. I'm not sure why PE is trying to saddle him with the Nebraska loss, as that would be nonsensical.
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Typos-having an off day yesterday. Thanks for pointing that out.
 


dpodoll68 said:
This is a good point, but the difference is that Kill was still employed and drawing a salary throughout 2013. Claeys was acting head coach, not interim head coach. He became interim head coach on October 28, effective after Kill's resignation. Kill was no longer employed and no longer drawing a salary. For whatever it's worth, his official bio on the Gopher football website (http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tracy_claeys_759707.html) has him credited with a 2-4 record for 2015 - that would be 1-4 in the Big Ten and 1-0 in the bowl game. So that would make his official head coaching record 9-6 (5-6). So 5-6 in the Big Ten, not 5-7. I'm not sure why PE is trying to saddle him with the Nebraska loss, as that would be nonsensical.
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True, but that's just "semantics"
 

Maximus said:
True, but that's just "semantics"
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Don't you think there is some middle ground here? I'm on record as saying the team is not terrible, has a Big Ten championship caliber defense, and talent all over the roster. I also think they will win at least one more and have been improving overall. Despite these positive things, do you suppose there is a reason they only received 2 votes in the polls despite 7-2?

The inability to tolerate any sort of honest discussion is the sign of a zealot. And I suppose that's expected considering the origin of the word fan but the discourse gets downright embarrassing around here on both ends of the spectrum.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I'm not sure why it's that interesting. I'm also not calling for him to be fired but not everyone is a die-hard Gophers fan. You have to try to see situations through the eyes of others.

1) Claeys does not have a track record of building success like Kill did, or an NFL coaching career, acolyte of a program legend etc.
2) Losing Big Ten record thus far. He is 5-6. If he goes 5-9 that is short of impressive considering the talent on this team. See #4 below.
3) No signature wins thus far.
4) Sloppy team play throughout most of the season with some questionable coaching decisions.
5) Beneficiary of an historically weak schedule
6) Lacks leadership charisma. Sorry, but true. He needs to out-coach the other guys and prove he can get his team to win big games. So far O-fer. I thought he'd be better.
7) His buyout is ridiculous.
8) Coyle did not hire him. Does Coyle view him as an interim due to the Flat/Mega Tongue situation?
9) Large dip in season ticket sales and attendance this season. Will Coyle want to generate excitement going forward if the team belly flops the remainder of 2016?
10) Off the field stuff. Not just the investigation. How is he viewed at the department. Do he and Coyle get along. Does Coyle think he has what it takes to be the face of our team? Yes this stuff matters.

I'd say 4,5,6, 7, and 9 are the most damning right now. If the team nosedives through the rest of the season/bowl game all bets are off IMO. Sentiment can change and get ugly very, very fast if the wheels really come off. As I've said numerous times I'd like to see him back (I love our defense) but I understand the arguments against. Sometimes it's a business decision, wanting to go a different direction.
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Trust me, I see this pretty clearly. I even said TC might be gone at season's end after the Rutgers squeaker win. Given the last, what 20-30 years of Gophs FB (many "different directions"), and comparing his first full year as a HC to the other programs I mentioned, having at least 7 wins seems pretty solid. And remember, Mitch turned Penn St from a W to an L.
 

Mick Turition said:
He needs to win one more or he should get fired. This is the easiest schedule the Gophers will EVER have. Lucky for Claeys he'll get a chance to win a bowl game which could be enough to save his job.

Win ONE more. Beat a team that has a winning record, it's not that much to ask. They will never, never, never have an easier schedule than they have this year.
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Never is a long time...have you looked at the 2019 schedule?
 





Pompous Elitist said:
I'd say it's warm and getting warmer. How the team plays does matter. Not just wins and losses. The question is whether Coyle will have a quick leash or let him try to grow into the job. Many factors will go into that decision.
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Let's finish up the season with four ugly wins, for a putrid 11-2.

The pitchforks and torches will be out in full force at GopherHole.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
3 years is a long time. Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, and Purdue could all be better that year than they are this year.
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Well, it's certainly not "They will never, never, never have an easier schedule"...and the five you did not mention could all be worse that year than they are this year.

Not really seeing your point here...
 



PMWinSTP said:
Well, it's certainly not "They will never, never, never have an easier schedule"...and the five you did not mention could all be worse that year than they are this year.

Not really seeing your point here...
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There's no point in bringing up the 2019 schedule when it's 3 years away and we have no idea how good the teams will be.

There's also the chance that we will only play 3 teams that finish this season with a winning record. We know how soft this schedule has been, and it is possible it never gets easier.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
There's no point in bringing up the 2019 schedule when it's 3 years away and we have no idea how good the teams will be.

There's also the chance that we will only play 3 teams that finish this season with a winning record. We know how soft this schedule has been, and it is possible it never gets easier.
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As there was no point to the poster's assertion...
 


So as of right now we have 14 out of 134 voters feel like his job is in great danger and we have multiple posters getting indignant, flying off the handle, accusing the gophers of having the worst fanbase, dumbest fanbase, being idiotic, being insane; starting threads to ridicule critics of the 74th ranked offense (we were 58th last year). Conspiracy theories that fans want the team to lose so we can dump Claeys.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
So as of right now we have 14 out of 134 voters feel like his job is in great danger and we have multiple posters getting indignant, flying off the handle, accusing the gophers of having the worst fanbase, dumbest fanbase, being idiotic, being insane; starting threads to ridicule critics of the 74th ranked offense (we were 58th last year). Conspiracy theories that fans want the team to lose so we can dump Claeys.
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We have a fanbase?
 

With the schedule being so easy, does this year even count?


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Pompous Elitist said:
So as of right now we have 14 out of 134 voters feel like his job is in great danger and we have multiple posters getting indignant, flying off the handle, accusing the gophers of having the worst fanbase, dumbest fanbase, being idiotic, being insane; starting threads to ridicule critics of the 74th ranked offense (we were 58th last year). Conspiracy theories that fans want the team to lose so we can dump Claeys.
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Hate to correct you...Gophs finished 83rd in total offense last year, same this year to date. I have said that with a top 30 D, if we can have an offense ranked in the 60s, we should win 9-10 this year. With the D sitting at 23rd, we might still get there...
 

I think a lot depends on how we look in these last three games whether or not we win or lose. If we get trounced, the heat gets turned up. If we play well and lose close, I think Claeys is probably safe. It's the sloppiness of play that has been the biggest issue for me all season.
 


PMWinSTP said:
Hate to correct you...Gophs finished 83rd in total offense last year, same this year to date. I have said that with a top 30 D, if we can have an offense ranked in the 60s, we should win 9-10 this year. With the D sitting at 23rd, we might still get there...
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Ooops, need to correct my self here...we are 83rd in total offense but were 103rd last year. Good news is that's a pretty good improvement.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
So as of right now we have 14 out of 134 voters feel like his job is in great danger and we have multiple posters getting indignant, flying off the handle, accusing the gophers of having the worst fanbase, dumbest fanbase, being idiotic, being insane; starting threads to ridicule critics of the 74th ranked offense (we were 58th last year). Conspiracy theories that fans want the team to lose so we can dump Claeys.
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I think there is a vocal minority of fans who want Claeys to be replaced. I don't think anyone should find fault with reasonable criticism. For example, going 4 verts with 15 seconds left in the half and I think no time outs was dumb.
 


Pompous Elitist said:
Uhhh...

You guys keep proving my point.
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My response was tongue in cheek. I really think there would be a segment of posters lambasting the team if they won out. Either because of "ugly wins" or because of "what could have been (i.e. Iowa, PSU).

Enjoy the wins, people.
 

I am on record as saying if you like 5-7 to 8-4 records sign him to a lifetime contract.
I am also on record saying I do not think he has a 9-3 regular season in him (nor do I think kill did).


I hope they prove me wrong!


Regardless. I thought 7 wins would make him completely safe this year. This topic should no longer be discussed this season. (Why did I post this?)
 

We are now up to 146 voters and only 14 think he is in great danger at this time. Carry on.
 

I can't believe that basically everyone on this site thinks a 7-2 coach should be fired immediately.


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